AEL, has Delia been as bad as his stats indicate so far? I personally do not think he is a NHL quality goaltender, he has the athleticism, but needs a lot of work technically. Laankanins stats appear much better.
- LAHawk

Honestly, Delia has not been strong at all in net. He loses his net and gives up rebounds. His control needs to be better.

Although a smaller sample size for both, Lankinen and Tomkins have been more solid and instill more confidence to keep the team in it without having to win by scoring a boatload of goals and/or come from behind.

Still too early to judge any of them but so far Delia is not stating his case to be the front runner as a viable NHL goalie for the Hawks. Not saying Lankinen and Tomkins are either but relatively they have been better than Delia who is deemed the starter in Rockford.

Fair Weather fan lmao I've been playing hockey since before you were born. I was at the UC as an infant before you were born, and I have the Tomahawks C tattooed on my shoulder. I'm sure you hate seeing Height and Weight posts since you come across as a small boy, and you've never played the game. Hockey is a contact sport where physical and mental strength/tenacity are just as crucial as puck skill.


Blind kool-aid drinking and online shenanigans is one type of fandom that you are more than welcome to do. It's clear that's why you are here. I come to here to talk hockey with the many people here who have a wealth of hockey experience and knowledge.

Player, coach, and Management assessments for both positive and negative performance based on my nearly 30 years of Playing, Officiating (I was an IHOA referee from age 12-22), and Coaching experience is "fair weather" fan only in the eyes of a fool.


Only Losers are content with Losing, mediocrity, and "moral victories". Hawks have done a lot of losing the last 3 years, and you are entitled to be fine with losing. "Fair weather fan" is a childish low blow. Grow up kid.


EDIT: I also named my Dog after Coach Q
- EnzoD

- I Am The Breadman

In the immortal words of True Grit....

Honestly, Delia has not been strong at all in net. He loses his net and gives up rebounds. His control needs to be better.

Although a smaller sample size for both, Lankinen and Tomkins have been more solid and instill more confidence to keep the team in it without having to win by scoring a boatload of goals and/or come from behind.

Still too early to judge any of them but so far Delia is not stating his case to be the front runner as a viable NHL goalie for the Hawks. Not saying Lankinen and Tomkins are either but relatively they have been better than Delia who is deemed the starter in Rockford.
- AEL_Fox

Thanks AEL, for confirming my bias. Also the reason I think why Quick was always thought of as better than Crawford, Quick relied on his athleticism and made the easy stops look hard, Crow makes the hard stops look easy. I think Lehner is the same, a big goalie that is technical. He sure has exuded calmness in the nets

... EDIT: I also named my Dog after Coach Q
- EnzoD

You at least have a fall back on that one:

Whaaaaaaaaat?????? consistent lines, pairs and goalie two games in a row?? Blasphemous!



Ben Pope‏ @BenPopeCST

Hawks’ lines and pairs:

Nylander-Toews-Saad
DeBrincat-Strome-Kane
Kubalik-Kampf-Dach
Caggiula-Carpenter-Shaw

Boqvist-Keith
De Haan-Seabrook
Maatta-Gustafsson
Gilbert-Koekkoek

Lehner
Crawford

Fair Weather fan lmao I've been playing hockey since before you were born. I was at the UC as an infant before you were born, and I have the Tomahawks C tattooed on my shoulder. I'm sure you hate seeing Height and Weight posts since you come across as a small boy, and you've never played the game. Hockey is a contact sport where physical and mental strength/tenacity are just as crucial as puck skill.


Blind kool-aid drinking and online shenanigans is one type of fandom that you are more than welcome to do. It's clear that's why you are here. I come to here to talk hockey with the many people here who have a wealth of hockey experience and knowledge.

Player, coach, and Management assessments for both positive and negative performance based on my nearly 30 years of Playing, Officiating (I was an IHOA referee from age 12-22), and Coaching experience is "fair weather" fan only in the eyes of a fool.


Only Losers are content with Losing, mediocrity, and "moral victories". Hawks have done a lot of losing the last 3 years, and you are entitled to be fine with losing. "Fair weather fan" is a childish low blow. Grow up kid.


EDIT: I also named my Dog after Coach Q
- EnzoD

Ignoring some of that rant... size and weight does matter but so does heart and willingness to engage physically.

If a bigger player doesn't have the heart or desire to compete when compared to a smaller player (equal skill level), the smaller player is going to win the one on one battle the majority of the time.

If all things are equal, except for size and weight, then the larger player is likely going to win the one on one battle the majority of the time.

You can't look as size and height in a vacuum. Look at a guy like Marchand. Dude is tearing it up and isn't a big player by any means.

Think we are on the same page. I could have better clarified what I meant. None of those players bring anything to the big club that isn't already there. Are any of them better options than Carpenter or Caggiula? Maybe marginally offensively but Caggiula and Carpenter have played very well in their respective roles. Not sure any of those 3 bring the PK ability that Carpenter does but I could be wrong.

If LBR is lurking somewhere I did see some advance stats concerning Carpenter playing this Dcat and Strome. He appeared to really drag that line down.

You could potentially slide Kampfy down and put Sikura on the third line and sit one of Carpenter or Cagguila. Not sure if that really makes a big difference.

I really didn't see that much of Highmore during the preseason. Skates fast and tries hard. Not sure how much hockey talent is there to make him anything more than a 4th line guy.
- bhawks2241

I'm not sure Carpenter dragged them down - Cat and Strome both had 3 points that night. If anything, they're not accomplishing much with Kane.

Ignoring some of that rant... size and weight does matter but so does heart and willingness to engage physically.

If a bigger player doesn't have the heart or desire to compete when compared to a smaller player (equal skill level), the smaller player is going to win the one on one battle the majority of the time.

If all things are equal, except for size and weight, then the larger player is likely going to win the one on one battle the majority of the time.

You can't look as size and height in a vacuum. Look at a guy like Marchand. Dude is tearing it up and isn't a big player by any means.
- bhawks2241

To further your point on the other side - Perlini, Edjsell, Svedberg are all big and have not provided much.

Sorry.
While many are dogging Enzo for beating the horse, he's got a valid point.

Raise your hand if you:
1. thought the roster looked improved over last year?
2. expected a much better start given the opening homestand? (Europe not incl)
3. repeated over, give Colliton a full camp and preseason to employ his scheme?
4. expected better performance out of the "Core?"
5. expected better starts from Debrincat and Strome?
6. thought Seabrook would be serviceable with a real NHL d-man as partner?
7. expected goaltending to be a strength this year?
8. expected goal scoring to be no issue?

In my case, I raised my hand for #'s 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 8
And thought those of you foolish for raising your hand for #'s 3 and 6.
Never did and still don't think Colliton is a real NHL-quality coach.
And have thought Seabrook has been washed up now for a while. In the ever-increasing speed of NHL players, guile, experience and willingness only get you so far. And then you get turnstiled.
- savvyone-1

savvy...i am 8 for 8....silly me...

An going rebuild in Chicago and Vancouver could be matched in duration by the discussion and choices below:

Horvat or DeBrincat
Hughes (Vancouver) or Boqvist

Is your answer different if I substitute the yet to appear in NHL Mitchell instead of Boqvist

I wonder whom Wiz would choose. And everyone on the board would choose - it's debatable eh?
- jhawk59

DeBrincat and Hughes.

I'm not sure Carpenter dragged them down - Cat and Strome both had 3 points that night. If anything, they're not accomplishing much with Kane.
- pdx2ord

He didn't look like it from the eye test but I thought I saw advanced possession stats showing that duo was much better without Carpenter on the wing. I understand why he was on their wing though.

DeBrincat and Hughes.
- DarthKane

Shouldn't that be Caufield and Caufield?

Fair Weather fan lmao I've been playing hockey since before you were born. I was at the UC as an infant before you were born, and I have the Tomahawks C tattooed on my shoulder. I'm sure you hate seeing Height and Weight posts since you come across as a small boy, and you've never played the game. Hockey is a contact sport where physical and mental strength/tenacity are just as crucial as puck skill.


Blind kool-aid drinking and online shenanigans is one type of fandom that you are more than welcome to do. It's clear that's why you are here. I come to here to talk hockey with the many people here who have a wealth of hockey experience and knowledge.

Player, coach, and Management assessments for both positive and negative performance based on my nearly 30 years of Playing, Officiating (I was an IHOA referee from age 12-22), and Coaching experience is "fair weather" fan only in the eyes of a fool.


Only Losers are content with Losing, mediocrity, and "moral victories". Hawks have done a lot of losing the last 3 years, and you are entitled to be fine with losing. "Fair weather fan" is a childish low blow. Grow up kid.


EDIT: I also named my Dog after Coach Q
- EnzoD

you do not come here to talk hockey, you come here to spew nonsense and when someone calls you on it you go cry to someone to get them banned

You at least have a fall back on that one:


- riozzo

Since I also named my dog "Q"...

Toews: "We're just fed up with our inconsistency and fed up with not getting two points every night, and you get to a point where you're pissed off enough you're going to do something about it."

We'll we've seen the frustration on the ice. Maybe he/they can finally channel that into some consistent play. I'm all for it!

EDIT: I also named my Dog after Coach Q
- EnzoD

Please tell me you named him Blender!

you do not come here to talk hockey, you come here to spew nonsense and when someone calls you on it you go cry to someone to get them banned
- GPHawksfan

True dat.

Please tell me you named him Blender!
- ItHossaGood

Fair Weather fan lmao I've been playing hockey since before you were born. I was at the UC as an infant before you were born, and I have the Tomahawks C tattooed "Fair weather fan" is a childish low blow. Grow up kid.


EDIT: I also named my Dog after Coach Q
- EnzoD

Or:

Well that made my morning, nothing personal, but claiming some sort of seniority by making the statement of being at the UC as an infant - that's pretty good.

I'd never been to the UC - only ever to the Stadium. And assuming the infant at the UC thing is even real, then I have some hockey sticks that are older than that. Not many, as I liked to break them since i don/t think I was using a high enough flex.... still :D

- I Am The Breadman

Breadman, you need to grow up because, isn’t that you that goes on other teams site and starts trouble? Oh sorry, I got you confused with somebody else.

savvy...i am 8 for 8....silly me...

- bogiedoc

Hey Bogie, you only missed on 2 of them!
Seriously (and this is for Chunk, you are right not in response to your Vancouver post), in general about this team this year (and past few), my "synopsis" of things I was thinking prior to the season.

I had doubts about whether they'd make the playoffs but now believe they have dug themselves too deep a hole (with Colliton's help no less) and might not be able to climb out of it. The only saving grace here is that Lehner is manning the "backup" or 1a or 1b or whatever the heck we're calling it now -- much better than Ward last year. Also depends greatly on what happens within the conference, seems it might take at least 95 pts to get in.

To jhawk59, no Bovquist isn't on my man-crush list. Had some of my buddies drooling over Gus' performance last year telling me how he was going to repeat this year. Yeah, right. Has decent skills, no brain and his skating is just ok. He's certainly not the fastest guy on the club. But I'll leave it at that as it's not worth the time or trouble to go down that rabbit hole.

Fair Weather fan lmao I've been playing hockey since before you were born. I was at the UC as an infant before you were born, and I have the Tomahawks C tattooed on my shoulder. I'm sure you hate seeing Height and Weight posts since you come across as a small boy, and you've never played the game. Hockey is a contact sport where physical and mental strength/tenacity are just as crucial as puck skill.


Blind kool-aid drinking and online shenanigans is one type of fandom that you are more than welcome to do. It's clear that's why you are here. I come to here to talk hockey with the many people here who have a wealth of hockey experience and knowledge.

Player, coach, and Management assessments for both positive and negative performance based on my nearly 30 years of Playing, Officiating (I was an IHOA referee from age 12-22), and Coaching experience is "fair weather" fan only in the eyes of a fool.


Only Losers are content with Losing, mediocrity, and "moral victories". Hawks have done a lot of losing the last 3 years, and you are entitled to be fine with losing. "Fair weather fan" is a childish low blow. Grow up kid.


EDIT: I also named my Dog after Coach Q
- EnzoD

You wonder why I call you out all the time, look no further than this post. You can dish it out but you sure can't take it, can you Enzo!

No fan ACCEPTS losing but some fans understands that losing is part of the process to begin to win again.

NHL.com
@NHLdotcom
Give NHL@TheRink a listen.
@FlaPanthers. Coach Joel Quenneville hops on the line.. who are his favorite young players in the NHL?

https://t.co/CZAE7m9iuO?amp=1

Obligatory "Q hates young players"

ETA: Q starts at around 33 minutes