I've given exactly the answer I wanted to give.

That is my thought now, not in the past.
- MJL

laughable. sure thing..... ....next up on ESPN 8 the ocho

I agree with most of what you’re saying except for the notion that Ghost should be able to fetch from Toronto at the time more than Kadri. Kadri is the better player in a Kadri for Ghost deal.

Are you saying you would place Ghost on wing though because I don’t agree with that either.
- SuperSchennBros

no not ghost on wing, but like i said....i could see him and jake gone next year. if ghost gets you a solid replacement at rw, then jake may be able to get one or two pieces back to assist the d and maybe forward or picks.....just hopes i guess

no not ghost on wing, but like i said....i could see him and jake gone next year. if ghost gets you a solid replacement at rw, then jake may be able to get one or two pieces back to assist the d and maybe forward or picks.....just hopes i guess
- Peter Richards

by that as well i think konecny is your 1st line rw. 8.25 or what not tied up on a ok 2 line rw is too much. if he is producing then yeah i can see it, however it may be time for a change if the mediocracy continues. all just my opinion. when jake is fired up he is great...that is not consistently in his game though. He will get his points, but the nigths off are frustrating

laughable. sure thing.....
- Peter Richards

I'm really not at all surprised that you think that my thoughts are laughable that the Flyers should give Gostisbehere time with the new coaching staff to try and work out of his issues and to see if he can get back to being a dynamic puck moving 50-60 point offensive defenseman. Rather than rush to make a trade but hey, to each his own.

I'm not really not at all surprised that you think that my thoughts are laughable that the Flyers should give Gostisbehere time with the new coaching staff to try and work out of his issues and to see if he can get back to being a dynamic puck moving 50-60 point offensive defenseman. Rather than rush to make a trade but hey, to each his own.
- MJL

I have to agree. His value can't be very high right now and he's just started with these coaches. Of they still can't sort him out then maybe start thinking about moving him. Honestly its pretty dang early in the season to be talking about trade scenarios for anyone with a multi year deal.

I'm not really not at all surprised that you think that my thoughts are laughable that the Flyers should give Gostisbehere time with the new coaching staff to try and work out of his issues and to see if he can get back to being a dynamic puck moving 50-60 point offensive defenseman. Rather than rush to make a trade but hey, to each his own.
- MJL

not the topic, wasn't the question. you are changing the focus yet again. I simple asked what or who you would like in a realistic trade for ghost. everything else you are saying, stating or what not is irrelevant. you said you wouldn't trade ghost for wing help. i asked who or what would you consider in a realistic trade. Never willing to put you own opinion on the line is why i think it is laughable.

didn't say i wanted them to trade him tomorrow. I said if the team continues the way they are i think there will be more core changes and could see them trading ghost or jake.

and like i said before...i see what's happening here.

I have to agree. His value can't be very high right now and he's just started with these coaches. Of they still can't sort him out then maybe start thinking about moving him. Honestly its pretty dang early in the season to be talking about trade scenarios for anyone with a multi year deal.
- hereticpride

it wasn;t what i was advocating for

not the topic, wasn't the question. you are changing the focus yet again. I simple asked what or who you would like in a realistic trade for ghost. everything else you are saying, stating or what not is irrelevant. you said you wouldn't trade ghost for wing help. i asked who or what would you consider in a realistic trade. Never willing to put you own opinion on the line is why i think it is laughable.

didn't say i wanted them to trade him tomorrow. I said if the team continues the way they are i think there will be more core changes and could see them trading ghost or jake.

and like i said before...i see what's happening here.
- Peter Richards

Yes it absolutely is the topic.

I did not mention Gostisbehere in my comment about trading for a winger. I posted my exact opinion, in detail. Can't get much more "on the line" than that. I have no specific return in mind in a hypothetical trade of Gostisbehere because I'm not looking to trade him.

I would have liked Kadri and his style of play certainly would be well loved in Philly, but I think Leafs would have asked for a younger dman than Ghost. It's tough to really know, it's also tough to decide which is better at times with trading assets vs spending cap in FA. Shorter term and lower cap is nice w Kadri, but I have liked Hayes (so far).
- arichardson22

Yeah but the Leafs took Tyson Barry.

I gave an answer. Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean I dodged it.
- MJL

This made me think of:

Abbott: You throw the ball to first base.
Costello: Then who gets it?
Abbott: Naturally.
Costello: Naturally.
Abbott: Now you've got it.
Costello: I throw the ball to Naturally.
Abbott: You don't! You throw it to Who!
Costello: Naturally.
Abbott: Well, that's it—say it that way.
Costello: That's what I said.
Abbott: You did not.
Costello: I said I throw the ball to Naturally.
Abbott: You don't! You throw it to Who!
Costello: Naturally.

Yes it absolutely is the topic.

I did not mention Gostisbehere in my comment about trading for a winger. I posted my exact opinion, in detail. Can't get much more "on the line" than that. I have no specific return in mind in a hypothetical trade of Gostisbehere because I'm not looking to trade him.
- MJL

No specific return in mind....got it. not answering the original question posted. Thanks

This made me think of:

Abbott: You throw the ball to first base.
Costello: Then who gets it?
Abbott: Naturally.
Costello: Naturally.
Abbott: Now you've got it.
Costello: I throw the ball to Naturally.
Abbott: You don't! You throw it to Who!
Costello: Naturally.
Abbott: Well, that's it—say it that way.
Costello: That's what I said.
Abbott: You did not.
Costello: I said I throw the ball to Naturally.
Abbott: You don't! You throw it to Who!
Costello: Naturally.
- hockeylover

I always liked that skit.

I want everyone to clear their mind of what’s transpired so far this season when I ask this question. Now, my question is, do you guys think we would have been better off offering Ghost for Kadri and not signing Hayes? This isn’t a “I hate Hayes” question, it’s a cap question. Would we have been better off?

There are some nights when I think we are (frank)ed with Hayes, through no fault of Hayes.
- SuperSchennBros

Id rather have Hayes. Kadri is a good player but he isnt a guy that we need in a Flyers jersey. Imagine how many more penalties he will get because he was wearing Flyer jersey. Hayes came at only a cap cost and if we move ghost now, it is for another body to compliment this team.

No specific return in mind....got it. not answering the original question posted. Thanks
- Peter Richards

The Ghost issue is a stand-alone topic. In my opinion, as strickly a defenseman game-in, game-out he is the least effective on the D core overall. But, he has that something that no other Dman has - that offensive capability that shows flashes of brilliance. We haven't seen it all that often lately and I'm betting that the GM and coaching staff are itching to see it re-emerge. The thing is, with each game that passes and we don't see it, how long will it be before the front office decides to move on. And if that scenerio does come about, what would his value be to other teams? I like Ghost, I think he is a great story and I hope his offense comes back soon. Of course when it does I'm sure people will be saying sell high.

The Ghost issue is a stand-alone topic. In my opinion, as strickly a defenseman game-in, game-out he is the least effective on the D core overall. But, he has that something that no other Dman has - that offensive capability that shows flashes of brilliance. We haven't seen it all that often lately and I'm betting that the GM and coaching staff are itching to see it re-emerge. The thing is, with each game that passes and we don't see it, how long will it be before the front office decides to move on. And if that scenerio does come about, what would his value be to other teams? I like Ghost, I think he is a great story and I hope his offense comes back soon. Of course when it does I'm sure people will be saying sell high.
- RustyPipes

didn't say i wanted them to trade him tomorrow. I said if the team continues the way they are i think there will be more core changes and could see them trading ghost or jake.
- Peter Richards

depends on what the perceived needs are at that time

He had to do something to replace Schenn's production after the disaster of thinking an 18 year Patrick and washed up Filppula would do the trick

This also all comes back to the larger issue that trying to rebuild while your best players are all wasting away in their prime never made sense.
- hereticpride

stop it with this schenn thing. he scored avg of 22.5 goals last 2 years. he will be well worth it for frost and farabee. i will lay money on it with you. this year he is starting smoking hot and if he follows thru w 35 goals i might change my mind. Filp was just garbage attached. He was a liability in the trade, not an asset.

stop it with this schenn thing. he scored avg of 22.5 goals last 2 years. he will be well worth it for frost and farabee. i will lay money on it with you. this year he is starting smoking hot and if he follows thru w 35 goals i might change my mind. Filp was just garbage attached. He was a liability in the trade, not an asset.
- biggbear77

He will but to make that happen Hextall took the team backwards a step. In the long run but the team needs results now. Management and fans arent going to be happy alternating making and missing the playoffs every year and being bounced first round.

stop it with this schenn thing. he scored avg of 22.5 goals last 2 years. he will be well worth it for frost and farabee. i will lay money on it with you. this year he is starting smoking hot and if he follows thru w 35 goals i might change my mind. Filp was just garbage attached. He was a liability in the trade, not an asset.
- biggbear77

Fillpula wasn't garbage nor was he a liability. The Flyers would not have finished 3rd in the Metro and made the playoffs in 17/18 without Fillpula.

The Ghost issue is a stand-alone topic. In my opinion, as strickly a defenseman game-in, game-out he is the least effective on the D core overall. But, he has that something that no other Dman has - that offensive capability that shows flashes of brilliance. We haven't seen it all that often lately and I'm betting that the GM and coaching staff are itching to see it re-emerge. The thing is, with each game that passes and we don't see it, how long will it be before the front office decides to move on. And if that scenerio does come about, what would his value be to other teams? I like Ghost, I think he is a great story and I hope his offense comes back soon. Of course when it does I'm sure people will be saying sell high.
- RustyPipes

I guess it depends on the season. Gostisbehere has been one of the most effective Flyers defenseman in a couple of seasons with the Flyers.

Fillpula wasn't garbage nor was he a liability. The Flyers would not have finished 3rd in the Metro and made the playoffs in 17/18 without Fillpula.
- MJL

AH yes, my bad. I was thinking of Lehtera not Flip. He was the garbage liability in the Schenn trade. Sorry for mixup.

stop it with this schenn thing. he scored avg of 22.5 goals last 2 years. he will be well worth it for frost and farabee. i will lay money on it with you. this year he is starting smoking hot and if he follows thru w 35 goals i might change my mind. Filp was just garbage attached. He was a liability in the trade, not an asset.
- biggbear77

I'm not saying I still want Schenn or am unhappy with the return but trading him away for picks when you have a vet core you're supposedly trying to win with didn't make much sense. You completely missed the point.

I'm not saying I still want Schenn or am unhappy with the return but trading him away for picks when you have a vet core you're supposedly trying to win with didn't make much sense. You completely missed the point.
- hereticpride

Sure it did if the phase that the Flyers were in under Hextall is accurately portrayed. Hextall wanted the team to remain competitive. He did not believe in tanking. In attempting to build a team that has a significant open window to try and compete for multiple Cups, trading Schenn for 2 first round picks made all the sense in the world.

The Ghost issue is a stand-alone topic. In my opinion, as strickly a defenseman game-in, game-out he is the least effective on the D core overall. But, he has that something that no other Dman has - that offensive capability that shows flashes of brilliance. We haven't seen it all that often lately and I'm betting that the GM and coaching staff are itching to see it re-emerge. The thing is, with each game that passes and we don't see it, how long will it be before the front office decides to move on. And if that scenerio does come about, what would his value be to other teams? I like Ghost, I think he is a great story and I hope his offense comes back soon. Of course when it does I'm sure people will be saying sell high.
- RustyPipes

if ghost's game recovers people will be like WHY DO YOU WANT TO TRADE ERIK KARLSON 2.0

I just read on another site that Fletcher is looking to trade Morin. Who will take him and what do expect in return???