I understand your point of view. less dollars and years. Hayes was the open free agent market, which is always a little pricier. He is also a little younger as well without the history of being an idiot. (looking at team relations) With toronto's situation at the time i would've thought ghost for him was overpayment. (the way he has been playing so far is a harder sell.) and surprisingly toronto got kerfoot.

if the cap keep going up the contract will not look as bad. we will also lose someone during the expansion draft. the more telling stat will be what have the players done or contributed in three/four years. Hayes was also benefitted by AV being the new coach.

Now i would use ghost, whether in or off season to help upgrade a wing position. If the play continues the way it is, Jake is the other player i see them trying to offload. (i think he gets more calls and return than JVR.)

Jake is what he is, but got his contract after his best season a few years ago. If he is not putting up 70 plus points a year, i don't think he's worth it.

in hindsight, i would have no problem with the ghost for kadri deal taking place, but would want more from toronto due to one being a d man (usually gets you more). Toronto would've had to include something else as they got a little over a mil in savings from colorado..(right)

just looked it up...they got tyson barrie in the trade as well. i think toronto won this trade on paper
- Peter Richards

I would not be using defense assets to improve on the Wing.

remember the pinnacio v pronger. Pronger called him out after he didn't show for a month or something. whatever happened to him anyway...not that i miss him, thought he was a terrible writer who was always looking to cause drama/negativity
- Peter Richards

https://www.crossingbroad...s-in-the-russian-mob.html

I want everyone to clear their mind of what’s transpired so far this season when I ask this question. Now, my question is, do you guys think we would have been better off offering Ghost for Kadri and not signing Hayes? This isn’t a “I hate Hayes” question, it’s a cap question. Would we have been better off?

There are some nights when I think we are (frank)ed with Hayes, through no fault of Hayes.
- SuperSchennBros

I would have liked Kadri and his style of play certainly would be well loved in Philly, but I think Leafs would have asked for a younger dman than Ghost. It's tough to really know, it's also tough to decide which is better at times with trading assets vs spending cap in FA. Shorter term and lower cap is nice w Kadri, but I have liked Hayes (so far).

I dont blame Fletcher because he was hired with a mandate from management but the Flyers cap position in my view is not ideal.
- MJL

again, why the jvr signing at the time was confusing to me. he's a player to me you go out and get to help push you over the top. not when rebuilding.

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/10/nikolai-zherdev-thinks-tim-panaccio-is-in-the-russian-mob.html
- missingmike

The last time I saw Panotch he looked awful and walked up to my car in the Voorhees Town Center parking lot thinking it was his before wandering off. I wish I was joking.

again, why the jvr signing at the time was confusing to me. he's a player to me you go out and get to help push you over the top. not when rebuilding.
- Peter Richards

He had to do something to replace Schenn's production after the disaster of thinking an 18 year Patrick and washed up Filppula would do the trick

This also all comes back to the larger issue that trying to rebuild while your best players are all wasting away in their prime never made sense.

I would not be using defense assets to improve on the Wing.
- MJL

so in a realistic situation, what or who would you want for ghost?

I dont blame Fletcher because he was hired with a mandate from management but the Flyers cap position in my view is not ideal.
- MJL

Yea I can see that - I have a few things I'd love to "retrofix." But given the premature mandate to "win now", I'm satisfied with how he's handled it.

Do I think we're there, or using cap efficiently? Not at all. But I now have faith Fletcher will make savvy enough moves over the next 1-2 years to make us a "win now" team. That is, if ownership doesn't kick him to the curb before the roster is ready to make a push.

so in a realistic situation, what or who would you want for ghost?
- Peter Richards

Is it realistic to seek just a 1st round pick for Ghost?

Gives us some desired cap relief, gives the roster a little more flexibility for younger guys to be brought up, and you never know who we can land with a future first.

Yea I can see that - I have a few things I'd love to "retrofix." But given the premature mandate to "win now", I'm satisfied with how he's handled it.

Do I think we're there, or using cap efficiently? Not at all. But I now have faith Fletcher will make savvy enough moves over the next 1-2 years to make us a "win now" team. That is, if ownership doesn't kick him to the curb before the roster is ready to make a push.
- GrittySauce

if this is how they perform next year i think his leash is short. You have to give him at least a full season to work some stuff. This years tdl and offseason will be very telling, but we have to get through the year first

Is it realistic to seek just a 1st round pick for Ghost?

Gives us some desired cap relief, gives the roster a little more flexibility for younger guys to be brought up, and you never know who we can land with a future first.
- GrittySauce

A pick would be nice or a good prospect on an ELC would work too. Not sure what his value is right now tho. The whole league can see the struggles.

Is it realistic to seek just a 1st round pick for Ghost?

Gives us some desired cap relief, gives the roster a little more flexibility for younger guys to be brought up, and you never know who we can land with a future first.
- GrittySauce

if he starts to perform better i could see this at the tdl, but in season would prob mean we would be struggling. I have said before, i would love a ghost for nurse or zadorov. but do not think either are feasible.

i was also interested in colin miller, was traded for a similar package we gave for braun. (braun wasn;t on my radar...at all.)

if chitown continues to struggle i could see a ghost/keith trade...lol oh the problems we have

and relax...just spit balling people

A pick would be nice or a good prospect on an ELC would work too. Not sure what his value is right now tho. The whole league can see the struggles.
- hereticpride

if panthers continue what do you guys think it would take to get ekblad


i'm sold on keeping provie. sanhiem has promise but not overly confident, myers has yet to prove but is close to coming, york in a few years has major promise, outside shots ginning and attard. zamula has a chance.

as it stands i think the team and defense is soft.

Yea I can see that - I have a few things I'd love to "retrofix." But given the premature mandate to "win now", I'm satisfied with how he's handled it.

Do I think we're there, or using cap efficiently? Not at all. But I now have faith Fletcher will make savvy enough moves over the next 1-2 years to make us a "win now" team. That is, if ownership doesn't kick him to the curb before the roster is ready to make a push.
- GrittySauce

The easiest thing to do right now would be to overreact and Monday morning quarterback. I still believe that over the course of the season that this team is going to be much better. I like others thought that the moves made improved the team. I still think that will ultimately be the case. The deciding factor is how improved. If the Flyers make a run at it then all is well with the current cap situation. I personally don't think that they're a contender but would love to be proven wrong.

In my view, making moves to become a win now team, is the wrong approach.

so in a realistic situation, what or who would you want for ghost?
- Peter Richards

I'm not in a spot right now where I would want to or would be looking to trade Gostisbehere.

The easiest thing to do right now would be to overreact and Monday morning quarterback. I still believe that over the course of the season that this team is going to be much better. I like others thought that the moves made improved the team. I still think that will ultimately be the case. The deciding factor is how improved. If the Flyers make a run at it then all is well with the current cap situation. I personally don't think that they're a contender but would love to be proven wrong.
- MJL

yes, what i want to see though is improvement away from some of the old tendencies. What i mean, they come out tonight and play well against NJ, and then completely wet the bed tomorrow reverting back to not skating

I'm not in a spot right now where I would want to or would be looking to trade Gostisbehere.
- MJL

dodging the question....i see what's going on here

The easiest thing to do right now would be to overreact and Monday morning quarterback. I still believe that over the course of the season that this team is going to be much better. I like others thought that the moves made improved the team. I still think that will ultimately be the case. The deciding factor is how improved. If the Flyers make a run at it then all is well with the current cap situation. I personally don't think that they're a contender but would love to be proven wrong.

In my view, making moves to become a win now team, is the wrong approach.
- MJL

I'm in the same boat for the most part, but I can definitely see why some people might say make those moves.

I mean, I think we're VERY close on paper to being a contender. But time and time again we see this team flounder on the ice despite having been "ready" on paper. So I can't imagine it would take much to get us over that edge if that were the path taken.

dodging the question....i see what's going on here
- Peter Richards

I gave an answer. Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean I dodged it.

I gave an answer. Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean I dodged it.
- MJL

no you didn't answer the question. you said right now you wouldn't trade. that wasn't the question. it was who or what would you want in return. saying you wouldn't trade him is dodging the question

no you didn't answer the question. you said right now you wouldn't trade. that wasn't the question
- Peter Richards

I'll explain it to you. Since I'm not looking for or wanting Gostisbehere to be traded, I have not given any thought to what I would want in return for the player, Simple concept.

I'll explain it to you. Since I'm not looking for or wanting Gostisbehere to be traded, I have not given any thought to what I would want in return for the player, Simple concept.
- MJL

irrelevant; what your thoughts were or have been in the past. the question was stated and has not been answered.

you're right this is a simple concept

I understand your point of view. less dollars and years. Hayes was the open free agent market, which is always a little pricier. He is also a little younger as well without the history of being an idiot. (looking at team relations) With toronto's situation at the time i would've thought ghost for him was overpayment. (the way he has been playing so far is a harder sell.) and surprisingly toronto got kerfoot.

if the cap keep going up the contract will not look as bad. we will also lose someone during the expansion draft. the more telling stat will be what have the players done or contributed in three/four years. Hayes was also benefitted by AV being the new coach.

Now i would use ghost, whether in or off season to help upgrade a wing position. If the play continues the way it is, Jake is the other player i see them trying to offload. (i think he gets more calls and return than JVR.)

Jake is what he is, but got his contract after his best season a few years ago. If he is not putting up 70 plus points a year, i don't think he's worth it.

in hindsight, i would have no problem with the ghost for kadri deal taking place, but would want more from toronto due to one being a d man (usually gets you more). Toronto would've had to include something else as they got a little over a mil in savings from colorado..(right)

just looked it up...they got tyson barrie in the trade as well. i think toronto won this trade on paper
- Peter Richards

I agree with most of what you’re saying except for the notion that Ghost should be able to fetch from Toronto at the time more than Kadri. Kadri is the better player in a Kadri for Ghost deal.

Are you saying you would place Ghost on wing though because I don’t agree with that either.

irrelevant; what your thoughts were or have been in the past. the question was stated and has not been answered.

you're right this is a simple concept
- Peter Richards

I've given exactly the answer I wanted to give.

That is my thought now, not in the past.

I agree with most of what you’re saying except for the notion that Ghost should be able to fetch from Toronto at the time more than Kadri. Kadri is the better player in a Kadri for Ghost deal.
- SuperSchennBros

i was just looking at d man for forward usually gets you a little more, plus the descent cap hit for years, being younger and going to a cap strapped team needing help on the backend. (which yes ghost is more offensive.) didn't happen so we will never know...but was my reasoning