Outside of Meltzer, the beat reporters for the Flyers have been writhing moat-dwellers for as long as I've been alive.
- countreeman28

All of the Philly sport media has an axe to grind against the Flyers. It's like none of them can stand the franchise, win or lose. I'd love to know what Snider did to them back in the day.

Fletcher on why he used LTIR now but not on Patrick.

https://theathletic.com/1...hat-thursdays-moves-mean/

“I don’t mind doing it in some situations,” Fletcher said. “With Scotty Laughton he had surgery, the surgery was successful. It’s typically a four-week process. Doctors said it would be three to four weeks from yesterday, which would put him at 25 days from the date of injury. And LTIR is 24, so that type of injury works well and it gives us some flexibility to maybe have a little more depth.

“If it’s a really defined injury, it’s easier,” Fletcher said. “You just don’t want to get into an (LTIR) situation where it lingers, and you’re not accumulating the cap space you’re going to need later on in the year.”
- Feanor

I get the quote in terms of gauging the injury length against using LTIR, but could someone help me understand what Fletcher means here by "accumulating the cap space" for later in the season?

I tend to struggle with the various cap space nuances, and especially when it comes to LTIR-type implications.

Thanks!

All of the Philly sport media has an axe to grind against the Flyers. It's like none of them can stand the franchise, win or lose. I'd love to know what Snider did to them back in the day.
- hereticpride

One of my favorite Ed Snider story, ca 2008. The Flyers had just gone to the Eastern Conference Final the previous season but, on the day of Mr. Snider's annual training camp media availability at the Skate Zone, a national publication predicted they'd miss the playoffs (they ended up with 99 points, same as eventual Cup champion Pittsburgh).

He got red-faced when asked about about the prediction.

"What are we, chopped liver?!" he said, angrily.

Then he paused and broke into a grin.

"Actually, I like chopped liver," he said.

That pretty much summed up the different sides of his personality.

who were his linemates?
- Peter Richards

Regarding Pitlick....

I remember coming here after Hartman was traded for Pitlick....and Dallas fans were NOT happy about it.

I'm assuming he's still catching up...missing preseason, wrist injury, etc.

I'll agree, I'm not impressed....yet. But clearly the guy should be better than what we've seen. Maybe it'll just take him a little time to get going. Who knows.

I get the quote in terms of gauging the injury length against using LTIR, but could someone help me understand what Fletcher means here by "accumulating the cap space" for later in the season?

I tend to struggle with the various cap space nuances, and especially when it comes to LTIR-type implications.

Thanks!
- GrittySauce

If you are below the cap, any space you have prorates daily. For example, let's say you have two million of full-season cap space open. At the exact halfway point of the season, you could then take on a player with a $4 million full season cap hit because it has $2 million left on its half-season valuation and you have enough space on the cap to take it on and remain compliant.

Regarding Pitlick....

I remember coming here after Hartman was traded for Pitlick....and Dallas fans were NOT happy about it.

I'm assuming he's still catching up...missing preseason, wrist injury, etc.

I'll agree, I'm not impressed....yet. But clearly the guy should be better than what we've seen. Maybe it'll just take him a little time to get going. Who knows.
- Hckygoalie31

Saw him plenty in Dallas. He was a good player. Got a little taste of it with the Flyers in 1-2 early season games, but not since then.

Keep this in mind: He missed almost the entire training camp (only got into the final practice or two as a full participant) and has had two surgeries on the same wrist within the 2019 calendar year. He's still playing catch-up.

If you are below the cap, any space you have prorates daily. For example, let's say you have two million of full-season cap space open. At the exact halfway point of the season, you could then take on a player with a $4 million full season cap hit because it has $2 million left on its half-season valuation and you have enough space on the cap to take it on and remain compliant.
- bmeltzer

That's really interesting - thanks for the easily digested example too!

With that, it solidifies that I officially am a fan of Fletcher. I appreciate how he's actively considering how to improve the roster at any given time.

Reading between the lines I’m not optimistic we’re going to see him this season at the least.

https://www.tsn.ca/philad...lay-this-season-1.1390805
- Buzzo

It sucks because Flyers to start the season were extremely deep at C with Coots, Hayes, NoPa and Laughton.

That's really interesting - thanks for the easily digested example too!

With that, it solidifies that I officially am a fan of Fletcher. I appreciate how he's actively considering how to improve the roster at any given time.
- GrittySauce

That's really standard basic GM stuff. I wouldn't put too much stock into that.

Basically when you're under the cap, you are banking cap space and the size of the cap hit you can acquire in an season acquisition grows daily. When using LTIR, which is an exemption to spend over the upper limit to replace an injured player, you are by definition out of cap space. LTIR cap space is use it or lose it. You cannot bank it. It can also trigger issues with using the bonus cushion and carryover bonus penalties to the following season.

It sucks because Flyers to start the season were extremely deep at C with Coots, Hayes, NoPa and Laughton.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

we would be completely (frank)ed right now if we didnt get Hayes

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 11/1/19 @ NJ
- bmeltzer

well, they finally got to my lineup w farabee and myers as well as the 4th line we expect when healthy. unfortunatley the injuries will push raffl to 3rd wing and Ruby centering Twarn and Stewie is NOT Laughton centering Raffl and Pitlick. oh well, its not the 4th line that will win the games anyway. coach followed the angst here re vets not producing and called out g and jake. he needed to add coots and jvr too. only vet producing and playing 200ft game is hayes

we would be completely (frank)ed right now if we didnt get Hayes
- arichardson22

wow..this place is busy on game day. Guessing Fletcher doesn't want to commit anything on patrick. With Patty ramping up practice a bit people were getting excited. I'm sure his head problems have gotten better but two steps forward, on back. These things can linger and like concussions...good days and bad.

If he becomes healthy i guess there is truly only one psotive...he is in a contract year and unless he comes back and dominates, we will probably be able to retain him for less than what the going rate would've been if he had a good season. Hope this doesn't ruin his career.

Simmonds still had value in December last season. Chuckles held on to him thinking the team would actually compete for a playoff spot. One of the first things he should have done was to ship out Simmonds once he decided he was not part of the future.

But damn that Hextall for having no bias for action
- corduroy

If Simmonds was able to be traded at all and pull in a five million dollar contract, two separate transactions by two different teams willing to take him in, days Wayne Simmonds has value.

I personally believe Hextall wanted to keep him and I think Fletcher was open to the idea of keeping him until his play dropped off.

You’re just speaking from the prospective of knowing what you know now, today.

we would be completely (frank)ed right now if we didnt get Hayes
- arichardson22

I want everyone to clear their mind of what’s transpired so far this season when I ask this question. Now, my question is, do you guys think we would have been better off offering Ghost for Kadri and not signing Hayes? This isn’t a “I hate Hayes” question, it’s a cap question. Would we have been better off?

There are some nights when I think we are (frank)ed with Hayes, through no fault of Hayes.

I want everyone to clear their mind of what’s transpired so far this season when I ask this question. Now, my question is, do you guys think we would have been better off offering Ghost for Kadri and not signing Hayes? This isn’t a “I hate Hayes” question, it’s a cap question. Would we have been better off?

There are some nights when I think we are (frank)ed with Hayes, through no fault of Hayes.
- SuperSchennBros

Don't think Leafs are interested on Ghost.
They need to get him traded to Panthers
Hayes is just fine but clearly overpaid

That's really standard basic GM stuff. I wouldn't put too much stock into that.

Basically when you're under the cap, you are banking cap space and the size of the cap hit you can acquire in an season acquisition grows daily. When using LTIR, which is an exemption to spend over the upper limit to replace an injured player, you are by definition out of cap space. LTIR cap space is use it or lose it. You cannot bank it. It can also trigger issues with using the bonus cushion and carryover bonus penalties to the following season.
- MJL

I think we've all seen GM's flub the standard stuff from time to time as well, so it's nice to see one doing the basics as well. I'm not lauding him or anything, but im more satisfied than dissatisfied.

That's really standard basic GM stuff. I wouldn't put too much stock into that.

Basically when you're under the cap, you are banking cap space and the size of the cap hit you can acquire in an season acquisition grows daily. When using LTIR, which is an exemption to spend over the upper limit to replace an injured player, you are by definition out of cap space. LTIR cap space is use it or lose it. You cannot bank it. It can also trigger issues with using the bonus cushion and carryover bonus penalties to the following season.
- MJL

Most people are accustomed to talking about the cap in per year terms, so it's confusing. Once you realize everything is calculated per day of the season (unused cap space, player salaries, etc), it begins to make sense.

I want everyone to clear their mind of what’s transpired so far this season when I ask this question. Now, my question is, do you guys think we would have been better off offering Ghost for Kadri and not signing Hayes? This isn’t a “I hate Hayes” question, it’s a cap question. Would we have been better off?

There are some nights when I think we are (frank)ed with Hayes, through no fault of Hayes.
- SuperSchennBros

Like Hayes and think he fills a big hole the Flyers had. Flyers had to stick with ghost, no way to tell what is the real ghost. They would have had to sell low on him

That's really standard basic GM stuff. I wouldn't put too much stock into that.

Basically when you're under the cap, you are banking cap space and the size of the cap hit you can acquire in an season acquisition grows daily. When using LTIR, which is an exemption to spend over the upper limit to replace an injured player, you are by definition out of cap space. LTIR cap space is use it or lose it. You cannot bank it. It can also trigger issues with using the bonus cushion and carryover bonus penalties to the following season.
- MJL

Makes sense - I guess I'm just more content knowing he's deliberate about the cap space usage. To me it's an indicator of competency that I once doubted, after some of his decisions in Minnesota.

I want everyone to clear their mind of what’s transpired so far this season when I ask this question. Now, my question is, do you guys think we would have been better off offering Ghost for Kadri and not signing Hayes? This isn’t a “I hate Hayes” question, it’s a cap question. Would we have been better off?

There are some nights when I think we are (frank)ed with Hayes, through no fault of Hayes.
- SuperSchennBros

I understand your point of view. less dollars and years. Hayes was the open free agent market, which is always a little pricier. He is also a little younger as well without the history of being an idiot. (looking at team relations) With toronto's situation at the time i would've thought ghost for him was overpayment. (the way he has been playing so far is a harder sell.) and surprisingly toronto got kerfoot.

if the cap keep going up the contract will not look as bad. we will also lose someone during the expansion draft. the more telling stat will be what have the players done or contributed in three/four years. Hayes was also benefitted by AV being the new coach.

Now i would use ghost, whether in or off season to help upgrade a wing position. If the play continues the way it is, Jake is the other player i see them trying to offload. (i think he gets more calls and return than JVR.)

Jake is what he is, but got his contract after his best season a few years ago. If he is not putting up 70 plus points a year, i don't think he's worth it.

in hindsight, i would have no problem with the ghost for kadri deal taking place, but would want more from toronto due to one being a d man (usually gets you more). Toronto would've had to include something else as they got a little over a mil in savings from colorado..(right)

just looked it up...they got tyson barrie in the trade as well. i think toronto won this trade on paper

Most people are accustomed to talking about the cap in per year terms, so it's confusing. Once you realize everything is calculated per day of the season (unused cap space, player salaries, etc), it begins to make sense.
- Tomahawk

Yea, this was exactly my takeaway. I had no idea it was a daily amortization rather than a fixed yearly breakdown.

I think we've all seen GM's flub the standard stuff from time to time as well, so it's nice to see one doing the basics as well. I'm not lauding him or anything, but im more satisfied than dissatisfied.
- sjk540

All the teams have assistant GMs that specialize in that kind of stuff. For the Flyers, it's Barry Hanrahan. If somebody f'ed up, it's probably the assistant, or some lackey who manages the spreadsheet.

I want everyone to clear their mind of what’s transpired so far this season when I ask this question. Now, my question is, do you guys think we would have been better off offering Ghost for Kadri and not signing Hayes? This isn’t a “I hate Hayes” question, it’s a cap question. Would we have been better off?

There are some nights when I think we are (frank)ed with Hayes, through no fault of Hayes.
- SuperSchennBros

also,,,,,who knows what the flyers would've done on or for the d if this happens. we could have a whole different slew of problems.

speaking of d...dion still available...hahaha

Reading between the lines I’m not optimistic we’re going to see him this season at the least.

https://www.tsn.ca/philad...lay-this-season-1.1390805
- Buzzo

That's been my feeling since about a week after the news came out.

Makes sense - I guess I'm just more content knowing he's deliberate about the cap space usage. To me it's an indicator of competency that I once doubted, after some of his decisions in Minnesota.
- GrittySauce

I dont blame Fletcher because he was hired with a mandate from management but the Flyers cap position in my view is not ideal.