It's a very nice list, it's like you think Botts can go into a McDonalds and these guys are like a happy meal you can just buy, it would be nice but you need 2 to tango
- Buff36

Dude, give me a break, there are 20sh teams listed there. No it isn't going g to be easy, who the hell said it was. And I don't expect one to be made until into Dec, so ample time.

Botts has 75 Dmen and 32 LW available...package assets, hold money, throw in a pick...make it attractive...wow them for a guy you will have for the next 5 -7 years helping to drive your 2nd line.

Here's the deadlio, it will be cheaper to use assets he has now an isl likely lose anyway at the end of the year, than what will be paid in FA for a player of that caliber.

Let's stop with the excuse making..put on the Belichick sweater and make it happen with just 1 of 20 teams

The back reading should be great.

3 more pages of "We dont need a 50 point RW when we have Sobotka"
- jcragcrumple

Somehow, 5 pages of arguing whether “Sobotka sucks” has gotten us to “I know Sobotka sucks but Botterill doesn’t”.

Dude, give me a break, there are 20sh teams listed there. No it isn't going g to be easy, who the hell said it was. And I don't expect one to be made until into Dec, so ample time.

Botts has 75 Dmen and 32 LW available...package assets, hold money, throw in a pick...make it attractive...wow them for a guy you will have for the next 5 -7 years helping to drive your 2nd line.

Here's the deadlio, it will be cheaper to use assets he has now an isl likely lose anyway at the end of the year, than what will be paid in FA for a player of that caliber.

Let's stop with the excuse making..put on the Belichick sweater and make it happen with just 1 of 20 teams
- IonSabres

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2019/league

I don’t disagree
All I’ve said is that right now it’s working
And I’m ok with Botts being patient on a trade till he gets the deal he likes

I’ve disliked Sobotka from the second we made that terrible trade
I’m also not gonna try to argue he’s holding the line down, when the line has been doing really well
It’s just dumb to do so

I also have faith that when a trade becomes available that Botts likes, he’ll make it

I don’t think he’s just sitting on good offers for the hell of it
It’s like some think this is a video game & he can just pull off a good trade when we he wants
- jdfitz77

No, he's a guy making $M's.
You make it sound like other teams need to call him. Pick up the phone.
Jesus.

Somehow, 5 pages of arguing whether “Sobotka sucks” has gotten us to “I know Sobotka sucks but Botterill doesn’t”.
- Der Kaiser

I said Sobotka sucks when you clowns were defending the ROR trade

That said
Our 2nd line is still producing well with him on it

No, he's a guy making $M's.
You make it sound like other teams need to call him. Pick up the phone.
Jesus.
- IonSabres

How do u know he’s not?

Never said that

Never answered before...
do u really think Botts is sitting on good trade offers??
- jdfitz77

KaiserTake #1

We don’t need to trade to improve production on the second line.

KaiserTake #1A

Second line production can be improved by replacing Vladimir the Slob with other players already in the system.

I just don't get it, the guy gets paid to try and improve the team, and I think he has done a pretty good job so far. He probably could make a trade right now if he wanted, but obviously he doesn't like it enough to do it. Something is gonna happen, Botts has some strong cards he can use that could help us now and the future.
- Buff36

He does, actually too many.
Make the f'g move, be aggressive...it ain't going to get easier July 1st for sure.

I said Sobotka sucks when you clowns were defending the ROR trade

That said
Our 2nd line is still producing well with him on it
- jdfitz77

I was RORs biggest fan and think the trade sucked. You don’t pay attention to what others think so it doesn’t surprise me that you made this mistake.

As I said before you ignore obvious facts - facts you even agree with - to sustain conversation. When somebody says “Sobotka sucks” and you agree with that, why do you engage in a 5 page debate?

KaiserTake #1

We don’t need to trade to improve production on the second line.

KaiserTake #1A

Second line production can be improved by replacing Vladimir the Slob with other players already in the system.
- Der Kaiser

That line is already scoring at a really high rate
So i don’t think we need to experiment with someone else on it, at the risk of making it worse

If it were as simple as just putting Tage there (for example) & that line would produce more

Then how do u explain Skinner scoring at a better 5v5 rate this year with MoJo & Sobotka,
then last year with Jack & Sam

I just don’t think it’s as simple as u guys are making it seem

I was RORs biggest fan and think the trade sucked. You don’t pay attention to what others think so it doesn’t surprise me made this mistake.

As I said before you ignore obvious facts - facts you even agree with - to sustain conversation. When somebody says “Sobotka sucks” and you agree with that, why do you engage in a 5 page debate?
- Der Kaiser

Bc their point isn’t Sobotka sucks
Their point is that Botts needs to make a trade NOW

1) i don’t believe we have to
2) i think he’d make a trade to improve us now if there was one available

3) so yeah... even though Sobotka sucks...
https://www.nhl.com/standings/2019/league

But on my PlayStation i was able to trade Sobotka, Tage, Sheary & Scandella for Laine

So Botts should be able to at least pull off Risto & a 1st for him, right??

I’m quite sure that Botts isn’t intentionally trying to not improve the team
- jdfitz77

Funny, he was absolutely lambasted on these pages for sitting on his hands last year while Rome was burning.

I like Botts, but there is a grossly imbalanced roster with obvious (well obvious ok us to most) he needs to make a move...not right now, that isn't the thrust of my argument..the thrust is upgrading the likes of Sobitka, even Vesey...
But you and others are afraid of making a move to improve the team because 18 or so of 23 guys are playing pretty well

That line is already scoring at a really high rate
So i don’t think we need to experiment with someone else on it, at the risk of making it worse

If it were as simple as just putting Tage there (for example) & that line would produce more

Then how do u explain Skinner scoring at a better 5v5 rate this year with MoJo & Sobotka,
then last year with Jack & Sam

I just don’t think it’s as simple as u guys are making it seem
- jdfitz77

YOU JUST SAID SOBATKA SUCKS!!!

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2019/league
- jdfitz77

Post it again next month please, lol.

YOU JUST SAID SOBATKA SUCKS!!!
- Der Kaiser

And if it’s as simple as putting a better player on his spot & the line will do better...

Then how come Skinner is scoring at a higher rate then when he played with Jack & Sam...
who are obviously better than Skinner’s linemates this year?

I said Sobotka sucks when you clowns were defending the ROR trade

That said
Our 2nd line is still producing well with him on it
- jdfitz77

Dumb dumb dumb.

Yes, and it would
- produce the same without him
-produce better with an actual 2RW on it.

What is to debate, holy christ.

Funny, he was absolutely lambasted on these pages for sitting on his hands last year while Rome was burning.

I like Botts, but there is a grossly imbalanced roster with obvious (well obvious ok us to most) he needs to make a move...not right now, that isn't the thrust of my argument..the thrust is upgrading the likes of Sobitka, even Vesey...
But you and others are afraid of making a move to improve the team because 18 or so of 23 guys are playing pretty well
- IonSabres

Please quote where i said that

Even tonight, I’ve said 3 times that I’d rather have Ehlers on line2 than Sobotka

You’re putting incorrect words in my mouth

I do think Botts will continues to improve this team

Joonas Donskoi is on pace for 30 goals and 50 points.

Would’ve been great for that L2 spot.

At least we were rumored to want him

Bc their point isn’t Sobotka sucks
Their point is that Botts needs to make a trade NOW

1) i don’t believe we have to
2) i think he’d make a trade to improve us now if there was one available

3) so yeah... even though Sobotka sucks...
https://www.nhl.com/standings/2019/league
- jdfitz77

Absolutely WRONG, INCORRECT, MISINTERPRETED.
Holy (frank), do you read at all?

Post it again next month please, lol.
- IonSabres

How about instead of b!tching & moaning then,
u enjoy what’s going on now

If we are in 6th place in the division in a month,
THEN I’ll be upset

Absolutely WRONG, INCORRECT, MISINTERPRETED.
Holy (frank), do you read at all?
- IonSabres

Sorry sir, it’s you that have misinterpreted

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2019/league

Please quote where i said that

Even tonight, I’ve said 3 times that I’d rather have Ehlers on line2 than Sobotka

You’re putting incorrect words in my mouth

I do think Botts will continues to improve this team
- jdfitz77

No, not all all..you literally said if it ain't broken don't fix it
I don't want to risk messing with a line that is working
Your words.
Fvck.

Done, good night.

Bc their point isn’t Sobotka sucks
Their point is that Botts needs to make a trade NOW

1) i don’t believe we have to
2) i think he’d make a trade to improve us now if there was one available

3) so yeah... even though Sobotka sucks...
https://www.nhl.com/standings/2019/league
- jdfitz77

Here is the post from page 2 that you started the argument over, 5 pages ago.

This just isn't the point.

He's playing a ton of minutes. He's on the ice when I'm trying to score. Neither of those things should ever happen.

Let's say instead of Sobotka I put Mittelstadt there, and shifted MoJo to wing (hypothetical). Mittelstadt has 7 points in way less ice time. Why is Sobotka, with his three points, getting played more than Casey? Casey is also an excellent plus minus and hasn't been scored on much.

As long as Sobotka is on the 2nd line, he is going to play second line minutes, and that is sub-optimal. Simply put NHL coaches don't do much. Optimizing a roster is about all the effect they can have. Knowing to play which guys more or less minutes, and in which situations, that's like half their job.

As long as Sobotka plays those situations and those minutes, I'm not as good as I could be with a better player there. Not just better offensively, but better straight up.
- matty12345

The word trade is not mentioned in there once. You debated Matty.

Broads talked about needing to "replace" Sobotka when the others on the line dip in production. JCrag Explained that Sobotka is holding the other two back. You debated those points too.

Answer this question: Matty said Sobatka sucked you debated him. Broads said sobotka sucked you debated him. GCrag said Sobotka sucked you debated him. I say it's not about whether a trade needs to be made you are debating me.

Do you see a trend?

No, not all all..you literally said if it ain't broken don't fix it
I don't want to risk messing with a line that is working
Your words.
Fvck.

Done, good night.
- IonSabres

Yes,
But i said that in reference to something like putting Tage on that line
NOT
making an obvious improvement like Ehlers
Who i have now brought up FIVE TIMES TONIGHT

So maybe you should go back & read what I’ve been saying
Bc you’re off base

Here is the post from page 2 that you started the argument over, 5 pages ago.

This just isn't the point.

He's playing a ton of minutes. He's on the ice when I'm trying to score. Neither of those things should ever happen.

Let's say instead of Sobotka I put Mittelstadt there, and shifted MoJo to wing (hypothetical). Mittelstadt has 7 points in way less ice time. Why is Sobotka, with his three points, getting played more than Casey? Casey is also an excellent plus minus and hasn't been scored on much.

As long as Sobotka is on the 2nd line, he is going to play second line minutes, and that is sub-optimal. Simply put NHL coaches don't do much. Optimizing a roster is about all the effect they can have. Knowing to play which guys more or less minutes, and in which situations, that's like half their job.

As long as Sobotka plays those situations and those minutes, I'm not as good as I could be with a better player there. Not just better offensively, but better straight up.
- matty12345

The word trade is not mentioned in there once. You debated Matty.

Broads talked about needing to "replace" Sobotka when the others on the line dip in production. JCrag Explained that Sobotka is holding the other two back. You debated those points too.

Answer this question: Matty said Sobatka sucked you debated him. Broads said sobotka sucked you debated him. GCrag said Sobotka sucked you debated him. I say it's not about whether a trade needs to be made you are debating me.

Do you see a trend?
- Der Kaiser

I guess i missed who you want on that line

Maybe bc you’ve been debating me & throwing out disparaging remarks instead of saying who your RW2 would be

So... let’s have it then