"but skinner complimented him!", i shriek from the warmth of my vladimir onesie, recalling that time i ran oreilly out of town for actually being honest in an interview
- robz228

Crazy thing is, Johansson is a better 5 on 5 offensive player than O’Reilly, and Larsson is more than capable of the D minutes.

I think I take what we have now over him

i just absolutely love the sobotka nuts can specifically recall the one time he drove to the net or won a battle because he does almost nothing at all positively that those little wins are just legendary for him
- robz228

First...
there’s no one here that has absolutely hated Sobotka from the second that trade was made like me

Second...
it was an obvious, and clear example, of how a player can help a goal get scored & not show up on the score sheet

And i specifically brought it up now,
bc the night he scored the goal i had to point that out to Sbroads (and others) as well

AGAIN... I DO NOT LIKE SOBOTKA

However,
U can’t deny the line is working well, really well

So while i still don’t like Sobotka
I’m just playing devils advocate to the guys that are bashing him, even though that line is killing it

So yeah...
when Skinner says Sobotka is playing a big role on that lines success,
then i am looking to try & see why he’s talking about
Instead of just focusing on the box score

Maybe u (& others) should give it a shot too

Bc another thing that’s undeniable...
Jeff Skinner has a MUCH BETTER HANDLE on why that line is being successful that any of us

Crazy thing is, Johansson is a better 5 on 5 offensive player than O’Reilly, and Larsson is more than capable of the D minutes.

I think I take what we have now over him
- sbroads24

im just trying to convey how hilarious it is that people reference what a professional athlete said in an interview considering they are the fakest people alive, and the one time we saw some gutchecking truth the guy was crucified for it

i just absolutely love the sobotka nuts can specifically recall the one time he drove to the net or won a battle because he does almost nothing at all positively that those little wins are just legendary for him
- robz228

They have 4 lines that are working right now, obviously the HC see's something in Sobotka on that 2nd line and I would think when the time is right and there's a player on this team that does his job better and adds more to that line that Sobotka is bringing, Krueger will make that change.

First...
there’s no one here that has absolutely hated Sobotka from the second that trade was made like me

Second...
it was an obvious, and clear example, of how a player can help a goal get scored & not show up on the score sheet

And i specifically brought it up now,
bc the night he scored the goal i had to point that out to Sbroads (and others) as well

AGAIN... I DO NOT LIKE SOBOTKA

However,
U can’t deny the line is working well, really well

So while i still don’t like Sobotka
I’m just playing devils advocate to the guys that are bashing him, even though that line is killing it

So yeah...
when Skinner says Sobotka is playing a big role on that lines success,
then i am looking to try & see why he’s talking about
Instead of just focusing on the box score

Maybe u (& others) should give it a shot too

Bc another thing that’s undeniable...
Jeff Skinner has a MUCH BETTER HANDLE on why that line is being successful that any of us
- jdfitz77

there is no more telling argument than when the team is trailing late, sobotka is glued to the bench

he offers nothing offensively, and the coach admits it when he does this. when the coach realizes goals early in the game are just as important as goals late in the game, we can move on from this

Crazy thing is, Johansson is a better 5 on 5 offensive player than O’Reilly, and Larsson is more than capable of the D minutes.

I think I take what we have now over him
- sbroads24

Reasonable
But if he was here & we kept using Larsson in the role we have him now,
it could’ve freed up ROR to be more successful offensively
Could’ve used him more like StL has been

AGAIN... I DO NOT LIKE SOBOTKA
- jdfitz77

Here’s what you do like:

Ignoring the self evident for the sake of being stubborn and difficult.

Good grief.

there is no more telling argument than when the team is trailing late, sobotka is glued to the bench

he offers nothing offensively, and the coach admits it when he does this. when the coach realizes goals early in the game are just as important as goals late in the game, we can move on from this
- robz228

Fair point,
but there’s something to be said for spreading out your talent

Pitt would put Kessel on the ice with Crosby & Malkin late in games to try & get a goal

Were they wrong to have those guys split up prior?

Why didn’t we just play Briere & Drury together all the time?

there is no more telling argument than when the team is trailing late, sobotka is glued to the bench

he offers nothing offensively, and the coach admits it when he does this. when the coach realizes goals early in the game are just as important as goals late in the game, we can move on from this
- robz228

2 questions to ask imo:

- Can we do better than Sobotka at 2RW?

Obviously yes

- Do we have the assets to do so?

Yes

2 questions to ask imo:

- Can we do better than Sobotka at 2RW?

Obviously yes

- Do we have the assets to do so?

Yes
- jcragcrumple

This

2 questions to ask imo:

- Can we do better than Sobotka at 2RW?

Obviously yes

- Do we have the assets to do so?

Yes
- jcragcrumple

Even within our own system?
Probably.

Here’s what you do like:

Ignoring the self evident for the sake of being stubborn and difficult.

Good grief.
- Der Kaiser

Bc I’m trying to see what Sobotka brings to the table, as per Skinner?

I think the ones dismissing it are the ones being stubborn & difficult

Also...
was i being stubborn & difficult when i was right about ROR and most on here were wrong?

What about when just about everyone wanted Larsson & Girgs gone TWO YEARS AGO,
and i got bashed for saying they could be decent players given the right role?

Or how about how so many on here said that Okposo should be sent down to the AHL this year and I was the only one who said he’s actually an effective bottom6 player- just overpaid

I think maybe you’re just confusing “stubborn & difficult” for “correct”

Fair point,
but there’s something to be said for spreading out your talent

Pitt would put Kessel on the ice with Crosby & Malkin late in games to try & get a goal

Were they wrong to have those guys split up prior?

Why didn’t we just play Briere & Drury together all the time?
- jdfitz77

im all for spreading the talent out, which usually entails playing a guy down a line (i.e. skinner on your 2nd) not playing a guy up a line.

sheary should be on line 2, erod on line 3, and sobotka should be distilling vodka back home in russia

or thompson should just be here, since by all accounts, he earned it

Bc I’m trying to see what Sobotka brings to the table, as per Skinner?

I think the ones dismissing it are the ones being stubborn & difficult

Also...
was i being stubborn & difficult when i was right about ROR and most on here were wrong?

What about when just about everyone wanted Larsson & Girgs gone TWO YEARS AGO,
and i got bashed for saying they could be decent players given the right role?

Or how about how so many on here said that Okposo should be sent down to the AHL this year and I was the only one who said he’s actually an effective bottom6 player- just overpaid

I think maybe you’re just confusing “stubborn & difficult” for “correct”
- jdfitz77

I bet - on a pretty regular basis - people in real life just look at you, not knowing what to say. That happens to you a lot, doesn’t it?

im all for spreading the talent out, which usually entails playing a guy down a line (i.e. skinner on your 2nd) not playing a guy up a line.

sheary should be on line 2, erod on line 3, and sobotka should be distilling vodka back home in russia
- robz228

Playing a guy down a line means u have to play guys up a line also

That’s how Kuhnackle & Sheary we’re in the top6 for 2 Cup wins & Kessel was on line3

Would i be ok if we traded for Ehlers & put him in the top6 over Sobotka?
Of course

But I’m also not feeling out about it right now when that line is clearly doing so well

And i have zero problem with Botts being patient enough to get the deal he wants
Too many are making it sound as if there’s a good deal available right now & Botts is just choosing not to make it
That doesn’t seem logical to me

I bet - on a pretty regular basis - people in real life just look at you, not knowing what to say. That happens to you a lot, doesn’t it?
- Der Kaiser

I guess it’s just easier for u to disparage me than to make a point that has any merit

But like I’ve said to you many times...
i just don’t care at all what you think

2 questions to ask imo:

- Can we do better than Sobotka at 2RW?

Obviously yes

- Do we have the assets to do so?

Yes
- jcragcrumple

If putting a more talented guy at RW equals more success...
why didn’t the Sabres play Briere on Drury’s wing all game instead of having them split up?

Why don’t Malkin & Crosby play on the same line?

Who was Gretzky & Kurri’s LW?
I bet he wasn’t as good as Messier

Etc, etc, etc

If putting a more talented guy at RW equals more success...
why didn’t the Sabres play Briere on Drury’s wing all game instead of having them split up?

Why don’t Malkin & Crosby play on the same line?

Who was Gretzky & Kurri’s LW?
I bet he wasn’t as good as Messier
- jdfitz77

This doesn’t mean that Drury should’ve had Andrew Peters on his line though

I'm halfway through Joker right now. I almost turned it off after the first 10 minutes.

It's horrible. It's so directionless and pointless... It's incredibly vapid.

I guess it’s just easier for u to disparage me than to make a point that has any merit

But like I’ve said to you many times...
i just don’t care at all what you think
- jdfitz77

Read the last two pages please where I and 4 other people have made points of merit which you disregard and plow forward notwithstanding those points. All because Jeff Skinner in one occasion said a nice thing in an interview about a linemate. Any objective review of sobotka’s play says you are basing your argument on nothing more: a nice thing Skinner said in an interview about a linemate - with no specifics.

And I know you don’t care what I think, or anybody else does, for that matter. There is a word for that: sociopath.

im just trying to convey how hilarious it is that people reference what a professional athlete said in an interview considering they are the fakest people alive, and the one time we saw some gutchecking truth the guy was crucified for it
- robz228

Skinner: [laughing] Sobotka? Ya, I mean, ahhhhhh yes, sure he does some little things that really help us Mojo and me, ya...sure, ok.

Translation: Are you for (frank)ing real dude? You want me to throw him under the bus in an interview? What do you want me to say? Do you actually watch the games, holy christ he can't handle the puck. Good lord almighty! Next?

I can believe anybody defends his utility on LINE 2...20 point production, and hitting people as his primary skill are representative of 4th line duties. But he isn't holding the line back! And adding a player who produces say 50 pts, a real 2nd liner, wouldn't help drive the line more? OMG!

Here's some guts Botts should be looking into...real 2nd liners


PLAYER NAME TEAM AGE. CAP HIT
Viktor Arvidsson NSH 25 $4,250,000
Alex Tuch VGK 22 $925,000
Anthony Mantha DET 23 $3,300,000
Kevin Labanc SJS 22 $717,500
Ondrej Kase ANA 22 $2,600,000
Mike Hoffman FLA 28 $5,187,500
Clayton Keller ARI 19 $885,833
Travis Konecny PHI 21 $894,167
Colin White OTT 21 $925,000
Nikolaj Ehlers WPG 22 $6,000,000
Kasperi Kapanen TOR 21 $863,333
Reilly Smith VGK 27 $5,000,000
Gustav Nyquist CBJ 28 $4,750,000
Tom Wilson WSH 24 $5,166,666
Robert Thomas STL 18 $894,166
Pavel Buchnevich NYR 23 $925,000
Brendan Gallagher MTL. 26 $3,750,000
Josh Anderson CBJ 24 $1,850,000
Brandon Saad CHI 25 $6,000,000

This doesn’t mean that Drury should’ve had Andrew Peters on his line though
- sbroads24

Touché... but it’s working with Sobotka
At least for now

And since i trust that Botts would likely make a deal if a good one were available,
I’m not all that worried about it

And if & when that line starts to struggle,
there are other options we can try there...
Right???

Playing a guy down a line means u have to play guys up a line also

That’s how Kuhnackle & Sheary we’re in the top6 for 2 Cup wins & Kessel was on line3

Would i be ok if we traded for Ehlers & put him in the top6 over Sobotka?
Of course

But I’m also not feeling out about it right now when that line is clearly doing so well

And i have zero problem with Botts being patient enough to get the deal he wants
Too many are making it sound as if there’s a good deal available right now & Botts is just choosing not to make it
That doesn’t seem logical to me
- jdfitz77

The team is playing decent, it's funny how Botts makes some trades to get some decent players Miller, Joker but all of a sudden Botts doesn't want to make a trade to improve the team. Either he hasn't gotten offered what he wants, or nothing has come up. Botts can be patient right now, are team is playing alright and there's teams out there hurting and Botts is holding some cards that teams will want.

Touché... but it’s working with Sobotka
At least for now

And since i trust that Botts would likely make a deal if a good one were available,
I’m not all that worried about it

And if & when that line starts to struggle,
there are other options we can try there...
Right???
- jdfitz77

You're attributing Skinner's elite 5-on-5 scoring ability and Mojo's stellar play with Sobotka being on their line. All of the metrics point to them succeeding despite Sobotka, not because of him

This movie ruined the Joker, what the hell is this crap