Teachers get pretty crappy salaries considering the education requirements, responsibility and value of their profession. I can understand their frustration.
- paulr

hmmm i have brother-in-law retiring from East Leyden this year at age 60 with a salary of $125,000 and he gets a full life time pension of around 75% pay...

worked 9 months...3 months to do another pt job if he wanted plus all the holidays and and breaks which come to another 4 weeks...

A big cog to the team having success and making the playoffs this year was 88 & 19 repeating or mimicking production of the previous year. The Cat in the same boat. So after 11 games:

Kane- 9 pts
Cat- 7 pts
Toews- 2 pts

That will not get it done. We have seen slow starts by Toews but Kane has never looked this disinterested and aloof in the last 5 years.

Without teachers we have no police, firefighters, Lawyers, Doctors, Hockey blogs .....
- paulr

nonsense we have parents...or at least theoretically...who knows in this messed up culture

Easiest degree to get, can't get laid off, 9 months a year work, am I missing something? Oh yeah full pension...
- rpeters01

What you're missing is that the future of this country's position in the world is tied up with teachers.

In an increasingly competitive world - China, India, Brazil, others - the ability of the United States to continue to be the world leader economically, scientifically, culturally will depend on making sure the young people of today and tomorrow are universally better educated than past generations.

If we refuse to support our educational efforts with sufficient resources and a more concerted emphasis than we are currently providing, we will wind up - sooner rather than later - as a second power rather than the world leader we we expect to be.

this nonsense that the team went out and quit and by design got humiliated by the preds because seab got bench for 2 games...

where do you come up with this stuff...

seabs is a highly compensated pro athlete but still an employee...if his boss (coach) sits him; he is not owed a counseling session about why...

if coaches decision DNP player wants an explanation then go knock on the coaches door and ask for one...

hurt feelings my ass...

A big cog to the team having success and making the playoffs this year was 88 & 19 repeating or mimicking production of the previous year. The Cat in the same boat. So after 11 games:

Kane- 9 pts
Cat- 7 pts
Toews- 2 pts

That will not get it done. We have seen slow starts by Toews but Kane has never looked this disinterested and aloof in the last 5 years.
- nickmo2699

How much of Kane's issues are linemates not performing and taking advantage of what Kane provides - and how much is Kane being unable to bring his linemates with him, as he has in the past.

Or - maybe - how much is disinterest, discouragement, confusion about what is going on with this team.

He seems to go through funks that last several games (and the season is only several games old) and then comes out if it and is his old self.

Without teachers we have no police, firefighters, Lawyers, Doctors, Hockey blogs .....
- paulr

For sure, Teaching is one of the most important professions, without a doubt. But some (not all) teachers think their profession is so hard done by and treated unfairly which is not the case.

80-125k a year with a full pension and tenure for a 9 month job isn’t bad. Never heard a group of people complain so consistently about the career that they chose.
- Ogilthorpe2

Not sure where you are getting those figures but they are 100% false.

Teachers start off in the 40-50K range and then with a masters can creep up in 60-70k range unless you are in a very affluent district (203 or 204 or north shore)

Administrators are in the range you speak of (VP/Principal/etc)

NO I am not a teacher, but I have no issue with them fighting for wages. Lots of them foot expenses for their rooms out of their personal savings.

The problem is the state of IL is run by, and has been run by incompetent morons. If my job offer includes a pension, I expect that to be paid out.....so if the money is mismanaged badly at a higher level that is on THE state to figure out not the teachers.

Depends on public or private. Each has its perks & drawbacks. Most teachers, that I know, work all year round. Summer school & outside activities. Teachers do get jipped on a lot of poop though. Administration & most parents are (frank) wads. Tenure is hard to get from what I have seen.
- I Am The Breadman

I knew you'd jump into this conversation and look forward to your opinion.

This can be said for almost every career out there. I deal with my fair share of difficult people and have lots of administrative work. My day doesn't end at 5.00pm and I'm frequently working week-ends and nights. People just don't understand that the Death Star doesn't run itself.

this nonsense that the team went out and quit and by design got humiliated by the preds because seab got bench for 2 games...

where do you come up with this stuff...

seabs is a highly compensated pro athlete but still an employee...if his boss (coach) sits him; he is not owed a counseling session about why...

if coaches decision DNP player wants an explanation then go knock on the coaches door and ask for one...

hurt feelings my ass...
- bogiedoc

I don't know or care why they quit, but if the talent gap is that large between Nashville and Chicago Bowman should be fired today.

If the gap isn't that big, then you have a group of players who truly don't give a F and then you need to start clearing them out.

That was by far the worst game/effort I have seen this team play in the Toews/Kane era.

Not sure where you are getting those figures but they are 100% false.

Teachers start off in the 40-50K range and then with a masters can creep up in 60-70k range unless you are in a very affluent district (203 or 204 or north shore)

Administrators are in the range you speak of (VP/Principal/etc)

NO I am not a teacher, but I have no issue with them fighting for wages. Lots of them foot expenses for their rooms out of their personal savings.

The problem is the state of IL is run by, and has been run by incompetent morons. If my job offer includes a pension, I expect that to be paid out.....so if the money is mismanaged badly at a higher level that is on THE state to figure out not the teachers.
- SteveRain

guaranteed pension by constitutional fiat...hell with illinois and its fiscal incompetence...

ok lets get back to bashing multimillion $$$ athletes...its more fun

I don't know how this metric is calculated...buts impressive. Lehner is responsible for saving more than a goal per game.


- bogiedoc

BUT....BUT......Crawford has more PPs against, etc...…..

Right now Lehner gives you the best to chance win each night with the dumpster fire that Bowman has put together on the ice, and whatever half @ss system Jeremy learned from Sven over in Sweden.

I don't know or care why they quit, but if the talent gap is that large between Nashville and Chicago Bowman should be fired today.

If the gap isn't that big, then you have a group of players who truly don't give a F and then you need to start clearing them out.

That was by far the worst game/effort I have seen this team play in the Toews/Kane era.
- SteveRain

i think the general consensus by all with the eye and stat test in sync that is correct...

but if they quit by design...i guess lehner didn't get the memo...

were some pssed and distracted about seab...possibly if so that speaks incredibly poorly of them and their integrity/professionalism...

simply put there is no rationale or excuse for the complete lack of pushback, tactical blunders, effort, etc vs that team for the entire 60 minutes...

!) I agree with lightfoot. don't pay the teachers there full salary because they take 2 weeks off. in any other field you take off 2weeks like this you would not get paid. They have to understand that if they strike they are going to lose some money. I would never pay it. it would mean they just strike ever year they don't get everything they want.

2) Seabs was paid like a #1 D man since 2010. its not like the hawks paid him nothing before this deal. He is 1 of the highest paid D men in history of the NHL. I'm sorry they hurt his feelings. Grow a pair. He told him he was going to be scratched and seabs walked away from the conversation. He has been bad.

How much of Kane's issues are linemates not performing and taking advantage of what Kane provides - and how much is Kane being unable to bring his linemates with him, as he has in the past.

Or - maybe - how much is disinterest, discouragement, confusion about what is going on with this team.

He seems to go through funks that last several games (and the season is only several games old) and then comes out if it and is his old self.
- StLBravesFan

Good point StL. I believe last year he was under a point a game til he settled in with his linemates. THis year the whole team just looks confused.

guaranteed pension by constitutional fiat...hell with illinois and its fiscal incompetence...

ok lets get back to bashing multimillion $$$ athletes...its more fun
- bogiedoc

Mass exodus of Illinois has been ongoing for years. I myself am highly considering it. Taxes continue to rise because the tax pool is getting smaller.

Today is the day I teach my kids about government. They go out and trick or treat and I take 40% of their candy and then listen to them whine and complain. Since I chose NOT to go and I am capable of going, it's a great lesson...…

in the end I give them the candy back but they quickly learn how unfair life is going to get once they start working and have to pay for the hanger ons in this great society.....

i think the general consensus by all with the eye and stat test in sync that is correct...

but if they quit by design...i guess lehner didn't get the memo...

were some pssed and distracted about seab...possibly if so that speaks incredibly poorly of them and their integrity/professionalism...

simply put there is no rationale or excuse for the complete lack of pushback, tactical blunders, effort, etc vs that team for the entire 60 minutes...
- bogiedoc

OH I agree 100%....and this rivals the Theo Fleury strip club debacle when the team started off OK, and then imploded.

Again, waxing the pathetic kings doesn't do much for me or should it do much for anyone else on this board. Those are games this team HAS TO WIN. Now if they go out and wax another mid level/fringe playoff team, that is very encouraging. Or if they go out and wax a legitimate cup contender.....you can see the talent is there.

However, we haven't seen much of any of it. So IMO, if they do fire Jeremy then Bowman has to go as well. He hired him and put together this roster and hes continually gotten it wrong the last 3 years and honestly.....each year it's getting worse and worse......no matter if you are an authentic fan or always one goal......

!) I agree with lightfoot. don't pay the teachers there full salary because they take 2 weeks off. in any other field you take off 2weeks like this you would not get paid. They have to understand that if they strike they are going to lose some money. I would never pay it. it would mean they just strike ever year they don't get everything they want.

2) Seabs was paid like a #1 D man since 2010. its not like the hawks paid him nothing before this deal. He is 1 of the highest paid D men in history of the NHL. I'm sorry they hurt his feelings. Grow a pair. He told him he was going to be scratched and seabs walked away from the conversation. He has been bad.
- kmw4631

Please - at least deal with the facts. You may not agree with what they want to do, but don't misrepresent it.

They are NOT looking to get paid for taking "2 weeks off" - they want to extend the school year and teach for those two weeks, making up the lost classroom time.

And the new deal would be a 5-year contract - they can't strike every year.

To paraphrase what Moynihan once said, you're entitled to your own opinion; you're NOT entitled to your own facts.

Good point StL. I believe last year he was under a point a game til he settled in with his linemates. THis year the whole team just looks confused.
- nickmo2699

They are playing with massive hesitation and tentative.

Want to say it was November of 2008 when Q benched Sharp and Kane in Arizona for making awful turnovers when he 1st came on board. Team learned, others learned, and they went on a run.

This team still hasn't learned what this coach is about and how to play in his system and we are approaching a full year.

Not sure where you are getting those figures but they are 100% false.

Teachers start off in the 40-50K range and then with a masters can creep up in 60-70k range unless you are in a very affluent district (203 or 204 or north shore)

Administrators are in the range you speak of (VP/Principal/etc)

NO I am not a teacher, but I have no issue with them fighting for wages. Lots of them foot expenses for their rooms out of their personal savings.

The problem is the state of IL is run by, and has been run by incompetent morons. If my job offer includes a pension, I expect that to be paid out.....so if the money is mismanaged badly at a higher level that is on THE state to figure out not the teachers.
- SteveRain

They just said on the news last night that the tentative agreement with CPS results in average salary of $80-100k.

Also a teacher making 65k who will be paid a pension after they retire makes the equivalent of about 100k over their lifetime.

I knew you'd jump into this conversation and look forward to your opinion.

This can be said for almost every career out there. I deal with my fair share of difficult people and have lots of administrative work. My day doesn't end at 5.00pm and I'm frequently working week-ends and nights. People just don't understand that the Death Star doesn't run itself.
- DarthKane

Average salary for a teacher in CPS is around 60k. Teachers probably work 9 months out of the year. Factor in if your average salary is 60k and your work say 25 years and then are retired 25 years taking a 40k pension, that teacher is actually making 100k a year during his/her working years.

My biggest peeve is that the union masks its demands with the cover that it’s all about the students. School are closed today because a tentative deal was reached and then the union decided it teachers should receive compensated for the strike days. That and no one seems to care about the fact so many administrative people draw 6 figures. Why is an athletic director for a high school making 125k plus (have a friend that is one).

Strike if you want but let’s not mask the real reason by claiming it’s all about the kids. If the union was ok with the pay I doubt they go on strike about classroom size and nurses in schools.

Mass exodus of Illinois has been ongoing for years. I myself am highly considering it. Taxes continue to rise because the tax pool is getting smaller.

Today is the day I teach my kids about government. They go out and trick or treat and I take 40% of their candy and then listen to them whine and complain. Since I chose NOT to go and I am capable of going, it's a great lesson...…

in the end I give them the candy back but they quickly learn how unfair life is going to get once they start working and have to pay for the hanger ons in this great society.....
- SteveRain

While this is true, a much larger reason for higher taxes is the ballooning cost of pensions. The funding of pension obligations was woefully lax for several decades - both parties contributed to this problem - and now a very large portion of revenue goes to that cost.

They just said on the news last night that the tentative agreement with CPS results in average salary of $80-100k.

Also a teacher making 65k who will be paid a pension after they retire makes the equivalent of about 100k over their lifetime.
- Ogilthorpe2

Well then.....blast away at the Cook county districts. That is comical.

They just said on the news last night that the tentative agreement with CPS results in average salary of $80-100k.

Also a teacher making 65k who will be paid a pension after they retire makes the equivalent of about 100k over their lifetime.
- Ogilthorpe2

Don't pilots still get pensions? Thought they did.

I have no issue with companies, districts, states staying true to their word and doing what they said they would do. Hell, government employees get pensions.

That's part of the job. To me its no different then a shady CEO getting some asinine golden parachute.

I knew you'd jump into this conversation and look forward to your opinion.

This can be said for almost every career out there. I deal with my fair share of difficult people and have lots of administrative work. My day doesn't end at 5.00pm and I'm frequently working week-ends and nights. People just don't understand that the Death Star doesn't run itself.
- DarthKane

No, I get that. Not trying to downplay others or make teaching out to be awesome. I've seen firsthand a pregnant teacher get the pooptiest maternity leave in my life. Weekends & nights are consumed with work & planning. If the principal & whoever else doesn't like what you have planned, you are told to change it last minute. There goes a whole day or lesson. Teachers have to test & assess plus continue with whatever they have planned or just changed. There just isn't enough time in the day to do what they want & students fall way behind. Who gets blamed for that? Teachers. Plus, all of the accommodations & different lessons for different types of students (special ed, iep ...)

There are a lot of poop teachers. I won't lie. The figures Rain Man gave were right of starting teachers. Districts do play a huge role. Private & public schools do different things when it comes to paying. I don't fully know, so I won't talk out of my ass. Bogie talked about his in-law, that is tenure to the max, maybe district, & probably the degree he has. I get what people have to say, for or against what teachers do & how it's handled.

Back to hockey.