I wonder how that would work, I didn't think cap space from LTIR could be carried forward.
- DarthKane

You're right (or your write) that LTIR space cannot be "banked" like unused cap space.

That needs to be factored in for sure. Other than Smith, I’ve really liked Stan’s other acquisitions by trade/FA so far.

I liked Kahun but Maata, like Nylander has also been better than I thought he’d be. I thought we were getting a 2019 version of Kimmo if some of the scouting reports on here were to be believed.
- HawkintheD

Stan didn't "acquire" Smith, he got rid of another player who cost more and didn't do much. The little bit of extra cap relief was useful.

I give Stan high marks for the previous off-season, Maata, deHann, Kubalik are homers. Even Nylander is showing some potential though the jury is still out on the true value of Henri, Shaw back in the fold, Carpenter has been a truly terrific 4th line addition. Draft picks of recent are making progress as well. The issue, at present, is actually the HOLDOVER players (Cat, Toews, Strome) not hitting their stride yet. The new guys have been awesome.

Fact is here, most on this board were complaining about the defense last year, fairly, but now many of those same folks are complaining about the offense-specifically from the backend.

This is a team that is still in transition. Does anybody think Stan isn’t aware of this? Yes there are holes in the lineup, but the alternative to plugging all of those holes in short order is entering cap hell and trading away the future.

✌🏻 Chill your poop, enjoy the fact that this team is improved, and is positioned to only get better if they stay the course.

You're right (or your write) that LTIR space cannot be "banked" like unused cap space.
- mohel

Your rong! You can bank the cap space so long as it's not used for lavender sniffers.

You're right (or your write) that LTIR space cannot be "banked" like unused cap space.
- mohel

How then is LTIR cap space created and used during the season? And how are performance bonuses addressed - i.e. the season they occurred and/or the following season? I’m not a capologist so I’m interested in the education.

That needs to be factored in for sure. Other than Smith, I’ve really liked Stan’s other acquisitions by trade/FA so far.

I liked Kahun but Maata, like Nylander has also been better than I thought he’d be. I thought we were getting a 2019 version of Kimmo if some of the scouting reports on here were to be believed.
- HawkintheD

I have to admit, I didn’t like the Kahun/Maatta deal at first. But I was wrong and I think it’s worked out well. Kubalik has taken Kahun’s spot on the roster while Maatta has been an upgrade in comparison to last year’s defense. While he’s not a star, Maatta has been better that I expected.

The de Haan trade was a home run. Sure, it wasn’t a Patrick Sharp type of a home run deal but for two AHLers Stan got a solid second pairing defenseman with a decent cap hit for 3 seasons.

I’m Luke-warm on the Anisimov/Smith deal. I’d rather have AA as the 3C but I can see what the Hawks thought he was expendable. I think the key to that deal is the buyout options for both players. If Anisimov is bought out in the summer the cap hit for the next two seasons is about $3.5 million and $0.5 million. For Smith it’s about $1 million and $1 million.

Who starts in net tonight?

You've got zero from the blue line WITH Gus so far.
- mohel

This...Gus is worthless right now, no offense or defense. If we can get a NHL caliber defenseman back in trade somehow (maybe him plus a pick) I would do that all day.

Stan didn't "acquire" Smith, he got rid of another player who cost more and didn't do much. The little bit of extra cap relief was useful.

I give Stan high marks for the previous off-season, Maata, deHann, Kubalik are homers. Even Nylander is showing some potential though the jury is still out on the true value of Henri, Shaw back in the fold, Carpenter has been a truly terrific 4th line addition. Draft picks of recent are making progress as well. The issue, at present, is actually the HOLDOVER players (Cat, Toews, Strome) not hitting their stride yet. The new guys have been awesome.
- kwolf68

I think we have a long way to go before declaring a winner in the Nylander/Jokiharju trade. But the early returns are pointing to a win for both teams and that was the best case scenario. I hope Nylander evolves into a consistent top 6 forward for the Hawks for the foreseeable future. I hope Jokiharju can be a solid contributor for Buffalo.

Who starts in net tonight?
- RedRevenge

My guess is Lehner.

How then is LTIR cap space created and used during the season? And how are performance bonuses addressed - i.e. the season they occurred and/or the following season? I’m not a capologist so I’m interested in the education.
- Chief4Feathers

Essentially, LTIR allows a team to go over the cap by an amount needed to replace the player. If a team is a million under and loses a $5M player, they are allowed to go over by $4M. So there is no underage to bank. Of course, when the $5M player comes back, the team has to be at the original cap.

Who starts in net tonight?
- RedRevenge

I guess Lehner tonight. Back to back games coming this weekend, Crawford Sat. at Carolina, Lehner Sunday at home.

Essentially, LTIR allows a team to go over the cap by an amount needed to replace the player. If a team is a million under and loses a $5M player, they are allowed to go over by $4M. So there is no underage to bank. Of course, when the $5M player comes back, the team has to be at the original cap.
- mohel

Right, so it doesn’t apply in the scenario I was discussing earlier. I need to get that straight in my head. Also, regarding performance bonuses, I found this explanation regarding what would apply to a following season:

“If a team does have multiple players receiving performance bonuses, and the total amount adds up to more than that 7.5 percent cushion plus the team's remaining salary cap space, then the excess amount rolls over and counts toward the team's salary cap in the following season.”

I think we have a long way to go before declaring a winner in the Nylander/Jokiharju trade. But the early returns are pointing to a win for both teams and that was the best case scenario. I hope Nylander evolves into a consistent top 6 forward for the Hawks for the foreseeable future. I hope Jokiharju can be a solid contributor for Buffalo.
- DarthKane

Agree, the best trades are where both teams benefit. All anyone talked about was Nylander's lack of effort without the puck. So far I see a guy who is working on that side of his game and appears to be doing a decent job. You can teach a scorer how to check, it's must harder to teach a cecker to score. I'm hoping Nylander can be that top 6 forward and be commited to working hard in all zones.

You're right (or your write) that LTIR space cannot be "banked" like unused cap space.
- mohel

Is it possible that it cannot be "banked". However at the end of the year the salary earned while on LTIR will be separated from salaries of active players that counts toward the cap. So the difference between the actual salary paid to active players and the cap will be available to pay bonuses.

Fact is here, most on this board were complaining about the defense last year, fairly, but now many of those same folks are complaining about the offense-specifically from the backend.

This is a team that is still in transition. Does anybody think Stan isn’t aware of this? Yes there are holes in the lineup, but the alternative to plugging all of those holes in short order is entering cap hell and trading away the future.

✌🏻 Chill your poop, enjoy the fact that this team is improved, and is positioned to only get better if they stay the course.
- Bjm84

I said last year, when they were giving up what seemed like 5+ Per game, that I’d almost prefer they lost 2-1 or 1-0 rather than have them win 6-5. So if they can string together a run of solid defensive performances, I’ll be happy. The offense will come eventually. Too (or To/Two if you prefer) much offensive talent for it not to (two/too).

Agree, the best trades are where both teams benefit. All anyone talked about was Nylander's lack of effort without the puck. So far I see a guy who is working on that side of his game and appears to be doing a decent job. You can teach a scorer how to check, it's must harder to teach a cecker to score. I'm hoping Nylander can be that top 6 forward and be commited to working hard in all zones.
- paulr

I thought one of Stan’s many flaws was that he always felt the need to win every trade?

Looking forward to tonight versus Philly. Actually pretty confident they'll look better against them tonight than they did in Prague.
While I still like Kahun, I think it is plain to see Kubilak is a higher ceiling player. Is this Kubilak's first full year in the show?
This team's buy in on defense is what I'm most impressed with. Seeing so many rebounds swatted away to either low danger areas or even out of the zone altogether is no longer missing in action!

Is it possible that it cannot be "banked". However at the end of the year the salary earned while on LTIR will be separated from salaries of active players that counts toward the cap. So the difference between the actual salary paid to active players and the cap will be available to pay bonuses.
- -Doh-

Ok, I’m reading an explanation on LTIR treatment via the cap right now.

I said last year, when they were giving up what seemed like 5+ Per game, that I’d almost prefer they lost 2-1 or 1-0 rather than have them win 6-5. So if they can string together a run of solid defensive performances, I’ll be happy. The offense will come eventually. Too (or To/Two if you prefer) much offensive talent for it not to (two/too).
- Ogilthorpe2

Agree. Last year Hawk games were hard to watch for knowledgeable hockey fans, even games they were winning 5 to 4. The recent games against the Edmonton, Caps,
and Knights were entertaining and fun to watch because they were being played the "right way". Let's hope losing Murphy does not hurt too much and that they continue to play the "right way". As Lehner said, very small adjustments can change these narrow losses into narrow wins. But those small changes are the hardest to make. [/img]

I thought one of Stan’s many flaws was that he always felt the need to win every trade?
- Ogilthorpe2

Stan's biggest flaw is the timing of his trades and free agent signings. He always jumps in too early or waits too long.

Is it possible that it cannot be "banked". However at the end of the year the salary earned while on LTIR will be separated from salaries of active players that counts toward the cap. So the difference between the actual salary paid to active players and the cap will be available to pay bonuses.
- -Doh-

Which can work well in Dach's case. Because the bonuses could be counted on THIS years Cap, thus leaving more Cap space available for next year.

Is it possible that it cannot be "banked". However at the end of the year the salary earned while on LTIR will be separated from salaries of active players that counts toward the cap. So the difference between the actual salary paid to active players and the cap will be available to pay bonuses.
- -Doh-

Not sure I understand the question.

Which can work well in Dach's case. Because the bonuses could be counted on THIS years Cap, thus leaving more Cap space available for next year.
- hawk35

Unless he scores like Panarin - near the top of the league - the bonuses, if any, will be peanuts.

My guess is Lehner.
- DarthKane

Me too. He should be in net IMO.