And 5 of his 8 career seasons. But yeah contract year performance lol.
- Feds91Stammer

I’m ok with Schultz. For a 2nd pairing dman the Pens could do a lot worse. Also depending on what they can get in trade I’m fine with giving him a $1 to $1.5M raise.

For me it comes down to what the alternatives are. One year of Green for me is fine if the Pens have a legitimate plan to replace him after this year.

If Marino is their plan for 2nd pairing RD there’s a problem.

I'm definitely one of 'these people' because I always root for the underdog. It's why my Avatar is KIng Necromancer from the Island of Misfit Toys, which is exactly where RW would banish JJ to if he could, LOL.
- Cousinskrid

It's King Moonracer! You don't even know the name of your own avatar!?

If Marino is their plan for 2nd pairing RD there’s a problem.
- Rinosaur

Give him time, he is just 22 and a few games in... even Dahlin needed time to pick up to NHL speed.

Give him time, he is just 22 and a few games in... even Dahlin needed time to pick up to NHL speed.
- VeryModernMan

I mean...no?

I mean...no?
- jmatchett383

He made a huge step forward over this year, no?

Marino will be no Dahlin, but obviously he has potential.

Give him time, he is just 22 and a few games in... even Dahlin needed time to pick up to NHL speed.
- VeryModernMan

Look, I’m very positive on Marino, but he’s not a 2nd pairing RD unless he’s the second banana on that line and I don’t mean second banana to Pettersson.

Give him time, he is just 22 and a few games in... even Dahlin needed time to pick up to NHL speed.
- VeryModernMan

Lol wut

Lol wut
- Feds91Stammer

Dahlin started nicely, but one year play made him now a dominant force... he definitely improved over that year, that was my point. Marino is a 22y old prospect with lower ceiling, but there is still a chance he can become a Määttä.

I’m ok with Schultz. For a 2nd pairing dman the Pens could do a lot worse. Also depending on what they can get in trade I’m fine with giving him a $1 to $1.5M raise.

For me it comes down to what the alternatives are. One year of Green for me is fine if the Pens have a legitimate plan to replace him after this year.

If Marino is their plan for 2nd pairing RD there’s a problem.
- Rinosaur

Wait so you’re cool with giving a guy 6.5m+ with term that potentially isn’t even 2nd pair capable?

Dahlin started nicely, but one year play made him now a dominant force... he definitely improved over that year, that was my point. Marino is a 22y old prospect with lower ceiling, but there is still a chance he can become a Määttä.
- VeryModernMan

Comparing an 18 year old transitioning to NA to a 22 year old from NA is stupid for a myriad of reasons.

At 22 the upside for potential growth is slim to none.

Wait so you’re cool with giving a guy 6.5m+ with term that potentially isn’t even 2nd pair capable?
- Feds91Stammer

My logic may be a little weird on this, but here goes...

1) I think he’s 2nd pair capable. Is he as good as Green? No, but that doesn’t mean he’s not 2nd pair capable.

2) What’s the alternative? The UFA market isn’t deep and it’s likely some of the bigger names remain with their teams. So what, is Marino going to be the 2nd pairing RD? No thank you.

I’d rather have Schultz who I believe is capable for a small raise than have a bottom pairing guy in his place.

If the Pens can move other assets and replace him then it should he explored, but given the current situation I’m keeping him.

At 22 the upside for potential growth is slim to none.
- Feds91Stammer

Forward i agree, but Defense is above "slim to none". "Slim to none" is the probability, that you don't have any posters of Carrie in your dorm.

Give him time, he is just 22 and a few games in... even Dahlin needed time to pick up to NHL speed.
- VeryModernMan

Dahlin was great last year and his coach refused to deploy him appropriately for a lot of the season. He’s obviously going to be even better this year but his “struggles” were a machination of the bench boss.

Like when they got Montour Dahlin and Montour instantly became one of the best pairing in the league.

Hornqvist just needs to stay on the first line. Form a matchup line to play against the other teams 1st line.

Hornqvist just needs to stay on the first line. Form a matchup line to play against the other teams 1st line.
- Grinder47

I guess if anything you’re consistent and predictable.

Comparing an 18 year old transitioning to NA to a 22 year old from NA is stupid for a myriad of reasons.

At 22 the upside for potential growth is slim to none.
- Feds91Stammer

Hockey players are who they are at age 7. They will never get better.

Hockey players are who they are at age 7. They will never get better.
- Grinder47

Ok, that was funny.

Ok, that was funny.
- Rinosaur

With chess players its actually pretty true.

And i guess, things like hand-eye coordination also develops in pretty early age.

With chess players its actually pretty true.

And i guess, things like hand-eye coordination also develops in pretty early age.
- VeryModernMan

I definitely don’t subscribe this black and white view that players are what they by a certain age(within reason). I think players can either be late bloomers or just not get their shot on deep teams to maybe 22-25.

Now, do I think they could emerge as top players? No, but I still think it’s possible for them to become NHL players on lower lines/pairs.

I guess if anything you’re consistent and predictable.
- Rinosaur

So is Hornqvist. When he plays with Sid he puts the biscuit in the basket.

So is Hornqvist. When he plays with Sid he puts the biscuit in the basket.
- Grinder47

I mean when he’s not concussed he can usually do that with or without Crosby. I think he’s probably best on Bjugstad’s right where both can play a more dump and chase grind it out game together if they can stay healthy.

Ok, that was funny.
- Rinosaur

Was it though?

I definitely don’t subscribe this black and white view that players are what they by a certain age(within reason). I think players can either be late bloomers or just not get their shot on deep teams to maybe 22-25.

Now, do I think they could emerge as top players? No, but I still think it’s possible for them to become NHL players on lower lines/pairs.
- Rinosaur

It’s usually related to not getting a chance at an earlier age that people think they develop later on.

It’s usually related to not getting a chance at an earlier age that people think they develop later on.
- Feds91Stammer

So basically you described Marino. But you also said a guy who isn't a top guy on his team is a red flag.

I mean when he’s not concussed he can usually do that with or without Crosby. I think he’s probably best on Bjugstad’s right where both can play a more dump and chase grind it out game together if they can stay healthy.
- Victoro311

I don't see Hornqvist sticking with Sid because of the speed game Sid wants to play, but I wonder if they won't give him another look with Malkin for how productive he's been so far. I thought he had a home on that third line too, but they might want to keep him in a scoring role.