speaking of snipers....one of the GreatOne's record will be broken by the greatest (arguable) in history soon. sniper that is
- Peter Richards

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speaking of snipers....one of the GreatOne's record will be broken by the greatest (arguable) in history soon. sniper that is
- Peter Richards

He's 34 years old and still has 229 to go to tie Gretzky. That's a hell of a lot of goals to score still.

But just think, Gretzky was more of a playmaker than a goal scorer and still scored that many. While goalies and defensive schemes were way easier in those days, you also had the red line and 1-piece wooden sticks.

Also, I'd argue Bossy, Hull, and possibly Bure over Ovechkin.

He's 34 years old and still has 229 to go to tie Gretzky. That's a hell of a lot of goals to score still.

But just think, Gretzky was more of a playmaker than a goal scorer and still scored that many. While goalies and defensive schemes were way easier in those days, you also had the red line and 1-piece wooden sticks.

Also, I'd argue Bossy, Hull, and possibly Bure over Ovechkin.
- jmatchett383

No chance, ovie over all of them. Hardest day and age to score and the guy is locked in for 40+ safely, year in and year out.

No chance, ovie over all of them. Hardest day and age to score and the guy is locked in for 40+ safely, year in and year out.
- ClaudeFather

Locked in for 40+ year in and year out except for the years where he doesn't score 40+? And there will be no decline in production as he's on the down side of 35 by year end?

And yes, take away injuries and I'm taking Bossy and Hull (and Gretzky), although Ovie's 65 season was better than Hull's 76.

He's 34 years old and still has 229 to go to tie Gretzky. That's a hell of a lot of goals to score still.

But just think, Gretzky was more of a playmaker than a goal scorer and still scored that many. While goalies and defensive schemes were way easier in those days, you also had the red line and 1-piece wooden sticks.

Also, I'd argue Bossy, Hull, and possibly Bure over Ovechkin.
- jmatchett383

I cant take Bure over OV..
Im not sure I would take Bossy or Hull over OV either if we are judging all three in their prime.

OV Currently sits 13 in the history of the NHL when it comes to goal scoring. It's realistic to me that he moves up another 5-8 spots I think before he is done.

I cant take Bure over OV..

OV Currently sits 13 in the history of the NHL when it comes to goal scoring. It's realistic to me that he moves up another 5-8 spots I think before he is done.
- opeth_pa

Yeah, I wasn't sure on Bure. But man, when he first came in, you couldn't stop him.

I think OV ends up at #2 for sure, not sure he'll catch Gretzky though.

Locked in for 40+ year in and year out except for the years where he doesn't score 40+? And there will be no decline in production as he's on the down side of 35 by year end?

And yes, take away injuries and I'm taking Bossy and Hull (and Gretzky), although Ovie's 65 season was better than Hull's 76.
- jmatchett383

What about when he has well over 40 lol. You talk about greatest goal scorer and I think you have to look at the way he scores as well, his shot is unmatched. Not slappers on the ice like 99.

What about when he has well over 40 lol. You talk about greatest goal scorer and I think you have to look at the way he scores as well, his shot is unmatched. Not slappers on the ice like 99.
- ClaudeFather

I'm not saying he can't score above 40, just that he has not scored 40+ "year and and year out." And at age 34, I doubt his production will go up.

And I wonder how many goal he would score if he was playing with a flat 1-piece wood stick that didn't have a dime curve and a banana flex...although goalies in the 80s were awful by today's standards.

Also, Gretzky holds the record for goals, but also has more assists than anyone else has total points. He was primarily a playmaker and still has the goal scoring record, which is what makes it most impressive to me.

I'm not saying he can't score above 40, just that he has not scored 40+ "year and and year out." And at age 34, I doubt his production will go up.

And I wonder how many goal he would score if he was playing with a flat 1-piece wood stick that didn't have a dime curve and a banana flex...although goalies in the 80s were awful by today's standards.

Also, Gretzky holds the record for goals, but also has more assists than anyone else has total points. He was primarily a playmaker and still has the goal scoring record, which is what makes it most impressive to me.
- jmatchett383

Incredibly impressive, apple to oranges to be honest, can't really compare. But on that note, 100% Ovie

Incredibly impressive, apple to oranges to be honest, can't really compare. But on that note, 100% Ovie
- ClaudeFather

The rules, equipment, rink dimensions, and type of game played have varied so much since the 70's that it's hard to even go decade by decade. I think OV is a top-4, at the very worst. He'd be a top-2 goal scorer in any era, for sure.

He's 34 years old and still has 229 to go to tie Gretzky. That's a hell of a lot of goals to score still.

But just think, Gretzky was more of a playmaker than a goal scorer and still scored that many. While goalies and defensive schemes were way easier in those days, you also had the red line and 1-piece wooden sticks.

Also, I'd argue Bossy, Hull, and possibly Bure over Ovechkin.
- jmatchett383

While I understand this argument to a point, Gretzky was winning scoring races by 50-60-70 points over the next closest guy.

Gross.

For a team that has mostly dominated in shots and chances, he's been the fly in the ointment. Terribad in almost every single objective measure. He deserved to be scratched. Yes, Stewart's been better than him.
- Tomahawk

I think he needs to be given some benefit of the doubt. He basically had no training camp and came off the injured list right into the lineup in the regular season.

Want to free up a lot of cap space and allow the team to make pretty much any move they want?

Trade JVR.

He’s a one dimensional player who is never going to fit in well on an AV coached team. I didn’t like the signing when it happened and I don’t like it today. They have plenty of players to make up for his scoring and the team improves defensively once he’s gone.

When Patrick returns, they can role with:

Lindblom-Coots-TK
Giroux-Hayes-Farabee
Laughton-Patrick-Jake
Raffl-Misha-Pitlick
Stewart
- BiggE

I disagree with you there. Not about trading JVR but your reasoning why. Actually despite the early scoring slump, his all around game has never been better. Far more attention to detail and play without the puck than in previous seasons to this point.

Last season, Lehtera had been charged with involvement in a cocaine ring. He cost the Flyers nearly 4 million more for a cap hit, he played in 9 games by this time compared to Stewart’s 3, and frankly makes Stewie look really fast in comparison. And I don’t want the kids in the 13F role. When you ignore all these facts, I can see your point.
- NC Flyers Fan

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But Lehtera contract was the price paid to get 2 First Round picks for Schenn
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Does anybody know what explanation was given for sending Carsen Twarynski down
to Phantoms .In what I have seen ( not much 2 games ) he played well
- goenzoy

This is what Elliotte Friedman said:

“They sent down Carsen Twarynski, but there is certainly a feeling he was the pick because they could send him down, not because they wanted to send him down. They liked how he played and he doesn’t need waivers. The young guys are pushing the veterans.”

How much cap space would the Flyers have accrued if they LTIR'd NoPa on the opening day of the season?
- mickel25

Zero. Placing a player on LTIR does not accrue any cap space. Ever.

While I understand this argument to a point, Gretzky was winning scoring races by 50-60-70 points over the next closest guy.

- MBFlyerfan

Exactly. I think the best comparison of players in different eras is to compare how they did against their peers.

And somehow, I think Mike Bossy gets underrated.

i'm an old school hockey fan as well. quick question, if farabee gets head hunted last game, would you rather have stewie in the game or another kid getting possible 8-9 minutes a night. development is important, confidence is as well. Any kid walking into the room at 18-19 years old at about 170 pounds i'm sure would be a little more comfortable having a 242 pound man say...any one touches you i'll remove their head.
- Peter Richards

The idea that someone like Stewart is going to stop a member of the opposition team from running Farabee or any other player is an invented myth. The league is not like that anymore.

I'm not saying he can't score above 40, just that he has not scored 40+ "year and and year out." And at age 34, I doubt his production will go up.
- jmatchett383

He doesn't have to necessarily average that many goals a season if he's one of those guys who plays into their 40's. Like Teemu scored 232 goals after the age of 34 (that included missing an entire season due to lockout).

I disagree with you there. Not about trading JVR but your reasoning why. Actually despite the early scoring slump, his all around game has never been better. Far more attention to detail and play without the puck than in previous seasons to this point.
- MJL

This is true. I hated the JvR signing because I never felt like he was a 'hates to lose' guy that will work as hard w/o the puck as he does when he's in scoring position.

He showed glimpses from time to time, but never strung a good number of games together where he was dependable two-ways.

This season he's been a revelation so far. Working really hard on the forecheck. Not just camping around the net waiting for the play to come to him.

This is true. I hated the JvR signing because I never felt like he was a 'hates to lose' guy that will work as hard w/o the puck as he does when he's in scoring position.

He showed glimpses from time to time, but never strung a good number of games together where he was dependable two-ways.

This season he's been a revelation so far. Working really hard on the forecheck. Not just camping around the net waiting for the play to come to him.
- Tomahawk

I still don't like because when the Flyers really get relevant, I think there will be a considerable number of younger players that can fill his spot.

https://theathletic.com/1...ited-offensive-explosion/

But on Monday, Farabee wasn’t the biggest story. In fact, he wasn’t even the third- or fourth-biggest story.

Instead, it was the second power-play unit — which Vigneault made sure to note he doesn’t view as the “second” unit, but “Coots’ unit” — that scored twice and suddenly looks like a strength rather than the glaring weakness it has been for years. It was a burgeoning young sniper in Konecny, who is establishing himself as both an A-plus chirper and a do-the-little-things-right player as well

I don't think it's been mentioned but Strome was sent down to Reading to join Laberge, Sandtrom and Ustimenko. There was a time when we would have been excited to have 4 prospects like that on the Phantoms. Now they have so much prospect depth (and JF Berube) that these guys are in the E.

Feel bad for Strome as I don't believe he belongs down there. He actually looked really good in one of the 2 Phantoms games I had seen him in (wasn't bad in the other but not as impressive). At least he'll get to play decent minutes. Hopefully he works his way back up quickly.

He's 34 years old and still has 229 to go to tie Gretzky. That's a hell of a lot of goals to score still.

But just think, Gretzky was more of a playmaker than a goal scorer and still scored that many. While goalies and defensive schemes were way easier in those days, you also had the red line and 1-piece wooden sticks.

Also, I'd argue Bossy, Hull, and possibly Bure over Ovechkin.
- jmatchett383

229 seems like a lot yes. But if he has just two more 50 goal seasons or so and stays healthy.... he has a chance. Jags played late. Some other great ones until the were 40. The man is a horse.

6 seasons averaging 38 goals per.

229 seems like a lot yes. But if he has just two more 50 goal seasons or so and stays healthy.... he has a chance. Jags played late. Some other great ones until the were 40. The man is a horse.

6 seasons averaging 38 goals per.
- Peter Richards

Ovechkin is a pure sniper something we need