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Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 23 @ 1:45 PM ET
Oh, let’s see some stats to back that up.

No joke.

Weak.

Still ignoring the obvious. Who is your 13F preference?

- NC Flyers Fan



not willing to look it up, but guessing a team in the past dressed 13 forwards and 5 d. and the 13th forward does get to play....the individual will fill in due to injuries or healthy scratches.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 1:47 PM ET
Let’s not confuse playing well with not playing poorly. I don’t think anyone could objectively say Hagg has played well when hasn’t been bad is an option to describe his play through the first couple games.
- Shrike


I don't know dude, you just seem dead-set on Hagg not being able to be good and Morin being better despite only playing like 10 NHL games. I don't think there's really anywhere to go from here for us.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
not willing to look it up, but guessing a team in the past dressed 13 forwards and 5 d. and the 13th forward does get to play....the individual will fill in due to injuries or healthy scratches.
- Peter Richards


If he's playing as a fill-in, then he's not the 13th forward that night.
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
i'm an old school hockey fan as well. quick question, if farabee gets head hunted last game, would you rather have stewie in the game or another kid getting possible 8-9 minutes a night. development is important, confidence is as well. Any kid walking into the room at 18-19 years old at about 170 pounds i'm sure would be a little more comfortable having a 242 pound man say...any one touches you i'll remove their head.
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 23 @ 1:50 PM ET
If he's playing as a fill-in, then he's not the 13th forward that night.
- jmatchett383



that's why i said the individual will get the call. no usually the 13th forward is in the box. if you are interpreting the exact wording, but i'm guessing most can figure what i was saying.

and i don't disagree with most of you. Stewie is a fine 13th forward most nights. When facing certain teams with the players they have, i have no problem dressing him for that physicality.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
I would think Morin would have no problem accepting a 14 day conditioning stint. He is a hockey player and he wants to play hockey.....at least I would hope so.

It can only be a positive for him (barring injury of course) to get some real ice time playing a game in anger.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Oct 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
I don't know dude, you just seem dead-set on Hagg not being able to be good and Morin being better despite only playing like 10 NHL games. I don't think there's really anywhere to go from here for us.
- jmatchett383


Phew! Then that’s over. What’s for dinner?

Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 23 @ 1:52 PM ET
I don't know dude, you just seem dead-set on Hagg not being able to be good and Morin being better despite only playing like 10 NHL games. I don't think there's really anywhere to go from here for us.
- jmatchett383



its also weird that the coaches don't agree with him.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 23 @ 1:53 PM ET
it was the point, didn't say it would be morin replacing either of them.......didn't see any of the ghost chatter
- Peter Richards


I re-read your comment which is why it was deleted before your replied
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Oct 23 @ 1:53 PM ET
So reading Ek and he says this , "As a side-note, I recently learned the Flyers and Stars discussed a Benn/Voracek deal in the summer...."

Straight up it's an interesting prospect without my looking at contracts.
If the Flyers had to give up more dunno.
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 23 @ 1:55 PM ET
I re-read your comment which is why it was deleted before your replied
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



didn't go back...right on man
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 23 @ 1:56 PM ET
i'm an old school hockey fan as well. quick question, if farabee gets head hunted last game, would you rather have stewie in the game or another kid getting possible 8-9 minutes a night. development is important, confidence is as well. Any kid walking into the room at 18-19 years old at about 170 pounds i'm sure would be a little more comfortable having a 242 pound man say...any one touches you i'll remove their head.
- Peter Richards


Who in the NHL is going head hunting? The big cheapshot Enforcer is dead in the NHL. There is no one out there that any guy on any roster cant go after, even if that is the case the instigator rule prevents retaliation anyways. You saw it with Konecny on Monday. The team took exception to the hit from behind by McNabb. There is no need for a tough guy.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 23 @ 1:58 PM ET
So reading Ek and he says this , "As a side-note, I recently learned the Flyers and Stars discussed a Benn/Voracek deal in the summer...."

Straight up it's an interesting prospect without my looking at contracts.
If the Flyers had to give up more dunno.

- opeth_pa


Find it hard to believe. Benn has a NMC. Cap didnt make sense for the Flyers either unless it was pre-Hayes
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 23 @ 2:00 PM ET
Find it hard to believe. Benn has a NMC. Cap didnt make sense for the Flyers either unless it was pre-Hayes
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



i think ek reads the boards and saw everyone discussing this the other day
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

Oct 23 @ 2:01 PM ET
I don't know dude, you just seem dead-set on Hagg not being able to be good and Morin being better despite only playing like 10 NHL games. I don't think there's really anywhere to go from here for us.
- jmatchett383

I am amazed at the resistance to possibly improving the roster over staying with a player who has almost 2 years of mediocrity under his belt.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 2:03 PM ET
I am amazed at the resistance to possibly improving the roster over staying with a player who has almost 2 years of mediocrity under his belt.
- Shrike


Well, you do you and we're just gonna agree to disagree.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Oct 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
Could have been a Flyer but Eminger was too good to pass up
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Yikes
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 23 @ 2:07 PM ET
Who in the NHL is going head hunting? The big cheapshot Enforcer is dead in the NHL. There is no one out there that any guy on any roster cant go after, even if that is the case the instigator rule prevents retaliation anyways. You saw it with Konecny on Monday. The team took exception to the hit from behind by McNabb. There is no need for a tough guy.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



to me there are plenty of players that still throw cheap or dirty shots. was just a question. Your view point i take it is the physicality players like stewie, lucic, and reaves provide is dead in the league. I still like having that toughness/support on my team. To me enforcers were only there to fight. that's not the sole purpose of having stewart. No we will not see any cote's, but tough guys that play positionally sound and aren't considered a detriment. yes (always the intangibles people discuss.) That's why the above players are still in the league imo.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 23 @ 2:13 PM ET
to me there are plenty of players that still throw cheap or dirty shots. was just a question. Your view point i take it is the physicality players like stewie, lucic, and reaves provide is dead in the league. I still like having that toughness/support on my team. To me enforcers were only there to fight. that's not the sole purpose of having stewart. No we will not see any cote's, but tough guys that play positionally sound and aren't considered a detriment. yes (always the intangibles people discuss.) That's why the above players are still in the league imo.
- Peter Richards


Lucic wouldnt be on a roster this year if EDM didnt give him that awful contract years ago
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 23 @ 2:22 PM ET
Lucic wouldnt be on a roster this year if EDM didnt give him that awful contract years ago
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


right and is debatable (league minimum signing). guessing reaves and some of the other guys that bring more of a physical presence wouldn't have a job if the didn't fight.

what it is becoming is not called an enforcer anymore, but the big power forwards that are willing to throw....i.e. mantha, wilson, ferland, what simmonds and stewart used to be.

on but off topic. when he tried to rally the troops during the dallas game, look at the faces of the flyers bench when stewie fought oleksiak.
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 23 @ 2:25 PM ET
right and is debatable (league minimum signing). guessing reaves and some of the other guys that bring more of a physical presence wouldn't have a job if the didn't fight.

what it is becoming is not called an enforcer anymore, but the big power forwards that are willing to throw....i.e. mantha, wilson, ferland, what simmonds and stewart used to be.

on but off topic. when he tried to rally the troops during the dallas game, look at the faces of the flyers bench when stewie fought oleksiak.

- Peter Richards



was actually a conversation stanley and i had a week ago.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 23 @ 2:47 PM ET
i'm an old school hockey fan as well. quick question, if farabee gets head hunted last game, would you rather have stewie in the game or another kid getting possible 8-9 minutes a night. development is important, confidence is as well. Any kid walking into the room at 18-19 years old at about 170 pounds i'm sure would be a little more comfortable having a 242 pound man say...any one touches you i'll remove their head.
- Peter Richards

Give me the lineup that has the best chance to win. Hextall loaded the franchise up with high end prospects that are now starting to knock on the door. The thought of the icing Stewart as protection is archaic in today's NHL.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Oct 23 @ 3:00 PM ET
Give me the lineup that has the best chance to win. Hextall loaded the franchise up with high end prospects that are now starting to knock on the door. The thought of the icing Stewart as protection is archaic in today's NHL.
- hereticpride

2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 23 @ 3:01 PM ET
Give me the lineup that has the best chance to win. Hextall loaded the franchise up with high end prospects that are now starting to knock on the door. The thought of the icing Stewart as protection is archaic in today's NHL.
- hereticpride

which one of those prospects is going to know the right time to fight to get the team going
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 23 @ 3:03 PM ET
Give me the lineup that has the best chance to win. Hextall loaded the franchise up with high end prospects that are now starting to knock on the door. The thought of the icing Stewart as protection is archaic in today's NHL.
- hereticpride



and i don't want our high end picks playing in a 4th line role as i feel that would slow some of their development. let them get their minutes in the ahl until they prove they belong. never said he's just here as an enforcer. if that was the case we have gabriel who can just be punched in the face every so often. we all have different opinions. i think people get caught up in one example. i just don't have a problem with him being here as the 13th forward, getting reps in every so often. good locker room guy, confidence booster, if we get to shootouts and he's playing well, we may actually win one, physical presence. that's why i'm guessing. but ultimately doesn't matter. they saw something so they signed him. and experienced coach in av praised him for what he brings, an element we were missing.
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