He is being paid 11 million dollars.

A good play doesn't erase a brutal play.

Those are the type of standards we apply to players like the Goat and Marincin.
- Santo_44

With Marincin, we can only apply the "well, at least he tried" standard

And?

clean slate now?

So pathetic


- Santo_44

You're acting as if he only does the bad stuff and none of the good stuff. The point isn't to say he's playing perfectly. It's that even while he's playing "bad", he's still doing things to benefit the team, unlike Nylander who would just do the bad stuff and none of the good stuff.

Pathetic is the bias you're showing. 10 minutes ago you weren't going to reply anymore and here you are again.

He is being paid 11 million dollars.

A good play doesn't erase a brutal play.

Those are the type of standards we apply to players like the Goat and Marincin.
- Santo_44

He actually isn't. His cap hit is lower than that and his actual salary is higher than that so you're wrong on both fronts. You're just pissed because of what he got paid.

At even-strength they both have 5 points. Nylander 2 goals, Marner with 1. 5v5 excludes 4v4 and 3v3 overtime.

Why do they use 5v5 instead of ES? Overtime is kind of important.
- mpr29

The reason to use 5v5 is that most of the time this is how you play. When it's 4v4 or 3v3 there is a lot more open ice, and this doesn't really give you an indication of how well the player plays through tighter checking. We all know Marner is a wizard when he has room. What he isn't so far this year through a measly 11 games is a wizard when it's 5v5 and he has no room.

With Marincin, we can only apply the "well, at least he tried" standard
- PatC80

Words can't express how sick I am of Marincin.

The idea that he's the longest tenured leaf outside of Rielly makes me want to puke on a baby at walmart

I like Ceci better for the money than Marincin at any price

You're acting as if he only does the bad stuff and none of the good stuff. The point isn't to say he's playing perfectly. It's that even while he's playing "bad", he's still doing things to benefit the team, unlike Nylander who would just do the bad stuff and none of the good stuff.

Pathetic is the bias you're showing. 10 minutes ago you weren't going to reply anymore and here you are again.



He actually isn't. His cap hit is lower than that and his actual salary is higher than that so you're wrong on both fronts. You're just pissed because of what he got paid.
- JohnFergusonJr

I never once said he is doing all bad.....ffs

I said he is playing poorly up to his standards.

Once again, pathetic

The reason to use 5v5 is that most of the time this is how you play. When it's 4v4 or 3v3 there is a lot more open ice, and this doesn't really give you an indication of how well the player plays through tighter checking. We all know Marner is a wizard when he has room. What he isn't so far this year through a measly 11 games is a wizard when it's 5v5 and he has no room.
- Monkeypunk

Bingo

The reason to use 5v5 is that most of the time this is how you play. When it's 4v4 or 3v3 there is a lot more open ice, and this doesn't really give you an indication of how well the player plays through tighter checking. We all know Marner is a wizard when he has room. What he isn't so far this year through a measly 11 games is a wizard when it's 5v5 and he has no room.
- Monkeypunk

Measly 11 games is right. And that's why I also bring up that he still has 12 points. Some people are acting like it's been 11 games and he hasn't done anything well at all. He's playing well below what he's capable of and still leading the team in points. Plenty of room for improvement but it's still nice to know that even at his worst, he's still capable of doing a lot of positive.

And the same applies to Matthews. He's got 8 goals and he's played far below his best too. But still has 8 goals. Yet people will complain about Marner and less about Matthews.

Measly 11 games is right. And that's why I also bring up that he still has 12 points. Some people are acting like it's been 11 games and he hasn't done anything well at all. He's playing well below what he's capable of and still leading the team in points. Plenty of room for improvement but it's still nice to know that even at his worst, he's still capable of doing a lot of positive.

And the same applies to Matthews. He's got 8 goals and he's played far below his best too. But still has 8 goals. Yet people will complain about Marner and less about Matthews.
- JohnFergusonJr

Relax
- Santo_44

I would but having this guy in the lineup until the trade deadline would be a big mistake.

I never once said he is doing all bad.....ffs

I said he is playing poorly up to his standards.

Once again, pathetic
- Santo_44

I am done arguing with you
- Santo_44

- JohnFergusonJr

I would but having this guy in the lineup until the trade deadline would be a big mistake.
- aminnes

Its October.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it if I were you but if you would like knock yourself out...Just don't say it every day for the respect of others on here.

Ceci has negative value. Literally, less than zero. If anybody takes Ceci, it's as a cap dump favor to the Leafs to make a deal work.

Barrie is a pending UFA that they just acquired so nobody is going to want him as a rental because the Leafs themselves are already using him as one. Pretty rare to see a team acquire a rental and then rent him out later in the season.

Nylander provides value which means he gets you more in return. He's young, he has potential and while his contract doesn't work for us because of the rest of offensive guys we have locked up, he works for other teams.
- JohnFergusonJr

that's a big assumption on your part. I don't think it's negative but it isn't high as well.

Words can't express how sick I am of Marincin.

The idea that he's the longest tenured leaf outside of Rielly makes me want to puke on a baby at walmart

I like Ceci better for the money than Marincin at any price
- TheMussel

poor kid

Its October.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it if I were you but if you would like knock yourself out...Just don't say it every day for the respect of others on here.
- Santo_44

How does that disrespect other on here?

How does that disrespect other on here?
- aminnes

He's easily offended by those who disagree with him. It's the cool thing to do these days.

How does that disrespect other on here?
- aminnes

No one wants to hear the same damn thing from the same poster every day.

Simple, respect that.

Measly 11 games is right. And that's why I also bring up that he still has 12 points. Some people are acting like it's been 11 games and he hasn't done anything well at all. He's playing well below what he's capable of and still leading the team in points. Plenty of room for improvement but it's still nice to know that even at his worst, he's still capable of doing a lot of positive.

And the same applies to Matthews. He's got 8 goals and he's played far below his best too. But still has 8 goals. Yet people will complain about Marner and less about Matthews.
- JohnFergusonJr

Because chicks dig goals. I also expect a lot more from Matthews, but his 5v5 performance - yesterday excluded because he was f'n awful - has been above average.

You're absolutely right that the team has not found itself yet. For all that Muzzin and Barrie are starting to play okay together, they haven't done it with any consistency. Matthews has not played a consistent game from start to finish and I think he's second in the league in goals. Marner has not played a consistent game from start to finish, and he's top 10 in points.

Rielly is fine when he's rushing with the puck, but he has struggled in his own zone. I know you blame Ceci for that - I don't think Ceci is the problem there. We can speculate that Rielly wants to cover for him, but I don't think him overskating pucks, making poor passes, and losing board battles is Ceci's fault. I don't want to advocate for Ceci because he's not a 1st pairing defenseman, but I don't think he's the reason Rielly is struggling.

Ultimately, this is what happens when Octobersen shows up in net. The warts show and you realize that the pretty 100pt team is pretty ugly at times.

Words can't express how sick I am of Marincin.

The idea that he's the longest tenured leaf outside of Rielly makes me want to puke on a baby at walmart

I like Ceci better for the money than Marincin at any price
- TheMussel

fil those babies up!

that's a big assumption on your part. I don't think it's negative but it isn't high as well.
- zazzle

It's not much of an assumption because over a large period of time every major statistic shows that he sucks at what he does. On top of that, his cap hit is terrible. Let's remember he got traded for Zaitsev and his albatross contract so if he had better value than that, somebody would have paid it. And nothing he's done so far has proven he's better than his history.

He's easily offended by those who disagree with him. It's the cool thing to do these days.
- JohnFergusonJr

We hear the same thing from you every day.

You are a perfect example.

I am patiently waiting for Friday/Saturday/Sunday for your burst of B2B goalie talk. Everyone hasn't heard that one before.

Because chicks dig goals. I also expect a lot more from Matthews, but his 5v5 performance - yesterday excluded because he was f'n awful - has been above average.

You're absolutely right that the team has not found itself yet. For all that Muzzin and Barrie are starting to play okay together, they haven't done it with any consistency. Matthews has not played a consistent game from start to finish and I think he's second in the league in goals. Marner has not played a consistent game from start to finish, and he's top 10 in points.

Rielly is fine when he's rushing with the puck, but he has struggled in his own zone. I know you blame Ceci for that - I don't think Ceci is the problem there. We can speculate that Rielly wants to cover for him, but I don't think him overskating pucks, making poor passes, and losing board battles is Ceci's fault. I don't want to advocate for Ceci because he's not a 1st pairing defenseman, but I don't think he's the reason Rielly is struggling.

Ultimately, this is what happens when Octobersen shows up in net. The warts show and you realize that the pretty 100pt team is pretty ugly at times.
- Monkeypunk

Chicks dig goals but Marner is the one serving them up for Matthews on the PP too. I think both should be appreciated. And I wouldn't exclude yesterday's performance at all because Matthews went from saying Saturday was a "statement" win and then followed it up with bullpoop against Boston of all teams. Playoffs are a 7 games series, not a 1 game series. Can't beat Boston once and put your feet up. That mentality is what gets you eliminated in game 7 even though you were up 3-2 after game 5.

Rielly is definitely compensating for Ceci and trying to do too much. You know how teams play differently when they know they have a good goalie behind them who can make a save? I think the same applies to linemates and D partners. If you know the guy beside you can make a play and save your ass, everything gets calmed down. But when you're constantly worried about what the idiot beside you is going to (frank) up next, you forget what you're doing in the moment.

I'd say the solution to that is simple to identify yet difficult to achieve but equally important to accomplish; get somebody better than Rielly in the form of Drew Doughty / Pietrangelo. Give Rielly somebody experienced, accomplished, talented and yet still in the middle of his prime to take the defensive pressure off his back.

When Andersen returns to his usual self, I think it's still a band-aid covering a broken bone. He can only save them for so long. If the goal is a Stanley Cup, they still got a lot of problems they need to fix.

No one wants to hear the same damn thing from the same poster every day.

Simple, respect that.
- Santo_44

I don't give a poop what you want or don't want to hear. God your one arrogant guy.

We hear the same thing from you every day.

You are a perfect example.

I am patiently waiting for Friday/Saturday/Sunday for your burst of B2B goalie talk. Everyone hasn't heard that one before.
- Santo_44

Text is read, not heard.

We hear the same thing from you every day.

You are a perfect example.

I am patiently waiting for Friday/Saturday/Sunday for your burst of B2B goalie talk. Everyone hasn't heard that one before.
- Santo_44

Don't remind him