There is a reason you don't judge players off 10 games of point totals.
- Santo_44

But you do on highly unreliable / irrelevant other criteria??

Marner has been much better than Nylander 5v5 - no stat you come up with can contradict that.

Marner this year vs Marner last year - that should be the discussion.
But not Marner vs Nylander - since Marner is still playing much better than Nylander.
- MaximusAurelius

goals while mitch is on the ice 5v5 is 4-13
Nylander 7-6

almost every stat you look at, Nylander has been better.
take your sh1tty biased goggles off

That is exactly my point - not having him do that would potentially rest him 'better'?
- MaximusAurelius

But why throw them off their routine?

goals while mitch is on the ice 5v5 is 4-13
Nylander 7-6

almost every stat you look at, Nylander has been better.
take your sh1tty biased goggles off
- senstroll

I feel like the +/- stat could be used in this argument

But you do on highly unreliable / irrelevant other criteria??
- MaximusAurelius

Creating and suppressing chances and possession translates into success over 82 games.

If Nylander and Marner both play exactly the way they are, by game 82 Nylander is far more likely to accumulate points.

goals while mitch is on the ice 5v5 is 4-13
Nylander 7-6

almost every stat you look at, Nylander has been better.
take your sh1tty biased goggles off
- senstroll

He can't change his mind ever.

Whatever he decides as his first reaction to a player is true in his mind until the end of time.

goals while mitch is on the ice 5v5 is 4-13
Nylander 7-6

almost every stat you look at, Nylander has been better.
take your sh1tty biased goggles off
- senstroll

correct for quality of competition, and you'll see a completely different story
Marner hasnt been great.
Nylander is an embarrasment.
Cant believe there are people that actually like his playing style

correct for quality of competition, and you'll see a completely different story
Marner hasnt been great.
Nylander is an embarrasment.
Cant believe there are people that actually like his playing style
- MaximusAurelius

Creating and suppressing chances and possession translates into success over 82 games.

If Nylander and Marner both play exactly the way they are, by game 82 Nylander is far more likely to accumulate points.
- Santo_44

To be fair, Marner will get more PP points than Nylander because he gets more PP time.

correct for quality of competition, and you'll see a completely different story
Marner hasnt been great.
Nylander is an embarrasment.
Cant believe there are people that actually like his playing style
- MaximusAurelius

Are you saying Matthews doesn't play against tough competition?

correct for quality of competition, and you'll see a completely different story
Marner hasnt been great.
Nylander is an embarrasment.
Cant believe there are people that actually like his playing style
- MaximusAurelius

I dont care about style, I care about overall results

Marner has 50% more cap than Nylander, so he has to be better..by a lot

Are you saying Matthews doesn't play against tough competition?
- PatC80

Marner line with tavares gets the 1stvline of opponent, so yes.

Marner line with tavares gets the 1stvline of opponent, so yes.
- MaximusAurelius

*Tavares line with Marner

*Tavares line with Marner
- senstroll

Usually the center is named first, because the line is his responsibility, just not in Marner's case, because Max.. That's why

week to week...
- PatC80

drove your fantasy team off the cliff eh...

drove your fantasy team off the cliff eh...
- 21peter

I did that already, I drafted Dubnyk

I did that already, I drafted Dubnyk
- PatC80

ouch

correct for quality of competition, and you'll see a completely different story
Marner hasnt been great.
Nylander is an embarrasment.
Cant believe there are people that actually like his playing style
- MaximusAurelius

I've preferred Nylander 5 on 5.

Right now, Mitchie is out there having fun - he's fooling around when he has the puck, and he doesn't give two poops when the other team has it.

He needs to start caring at both ends of the ice.

Marner line with tavares gets the 1stvline of opponent, so yes.
- MaximusAurelius

No wonder Matthews is going to Arizona.

In 5 years, Shane Doan will be named the GM of the Coyotes (assuming the team is still there) and Matthews will sign as a UFA

I've preferred Nylander 5 on 5.

Right now, Mitchie is out there having fun - he's fooling around when he has the puck, and he doesn't give two poops when the other team has it.

He needs to start caring at both ends of the ice.
- Atomic Wedgie

5 on 5, Nylander has been the better player so far...

I've preferred Nylander 5 on 5.

Right now, Mitchie is out there having fun - he's fooling around when he has the puck, and he doesn't give two poops when the other team has it.

He needs to start caring at both ends of the ice.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yup. He will get back to himself....It is just really frustrating that he is playing like this after the contract he was just given. The higher ups must not be too pleased.

Marner has been much better than Nylander 5v5 - no stat you come up with can contradict that.

Marner this year vs Marner last year - that should be the discussion.
But not Marner vs Nylander - since Marner is still playing much better than Nylander.
- MaximusAurelius

uhhh...he just came up with some that did.

correct for quality of competition, and you'll see a completely different story
Marner hasnt been great.
Nylander is an embarrasment.
Cant believe there are people that actually like his playing style
- MaximusAurelius

4-13

you saying marner needs easier competition?

Yup. He will get back to himself....It is just really frustrating that he is playing like this after the contract he was just given. The higher ups must not be too pleased.
- Santo_44

strangely that will coincide with Tavares returning to the lineup.

but will not be related

Now do points totals.
- MaximusAurelius

Okay. Nylander has 5 pts 5v5 in 155 minutes played, and Marner has 2 in 149 minutes played.

Nylander has 2 goals 5v5 in 155 minutes played and Marner has 0.