Currently carrying 23, but that number will come down when Hyman comes back.

And in Max's defence, I don't think he was suggesting that the Leafs do it this year.

He was saying that it could be a solution for any team.
- Atomic Wedgie

it was nice knowing you Nicholas Petan, Kevin Gravel and Nicholas Shore.

marincin to is best position as 7th dman in the press box.

Eklund
- AdamFrench

We're getting Jamie Benn!

I always laugh at "oh goalies cant play back to back games" or "players are so tired on b2b".

Gimme a break. A good goalie can play b2b games, doesnt have to play all.
The players are suppose to be pros, everyone gets tired. But these guys train all summer and have been in hockey mode for over a month now.
Lets go.
- Fakepartofme

If they want to increase the risk of injury exponentially, totally.

We're getting Jamie Benn!
- Scabeh

Is that actually a good thing atm?

It's the most important position on the team, so I'm at least open to the idea of experimenting to see if it would help.
- Atomic Wedgie

If there's evidence to support it, I suppose. My question is - what's the evidence? Sports science is basically saying that you don't want to overwork a goalie, so around 45 games is sort of the current sweet spot. The Bruins and Blackhawks are two teams two very good goalies who could share the load somewhat evenly. So there's that model of saying 45/35, or perhaps distributed closer to the 55/25 range.

The proposal here is that you would have that same 55/25 split, but on many of the days the backup starts, the starter just stays away from the rink and does whatever - or spends the night in the pressbox, and you have some backup backup waiting to go in when the normal backup craps the bed - a guy who never sees game action unless things have already gone to Hell? Or you start him when the guy who rarely starts is tired of not starting?

If there's some justification here that shows it would buy your team a couple of wins, and that couple of wins is the difference between home ice in the playoffs or even not making the playoffs, then maybe it's worth the $1m investment. I don't know.

I will say that it wouldn't be much different than a guy like Holl who last year sat in the pressbox for like 75 games.

It does feel like a career limiting role, though. Maybe it's a way for old goalies to kick around for an extra year or two?

I suppose - reading back my stream of cosciousness here - you could say that I am confused by the entire thing.

Is that actually a good thing atm?
- AdamFrench

Guy just needs a fresh start away from Dallas.

Guy just needs a fresh start away from Dallas.
- Scabeh

And new legs?

And new legs?
- AdamFrench

To be honest I haven't checked him up in a while.

Has he lost a few step already? He's only 30.

To be honest I haven't checked him up in a while.

Has he lost a few step already? He's only 30.
- Scabeh

I'm not in love with Hutch either (his puck handling especially), but his performance isn't why we lost last night. The goaltending was adequate. The team in general wasn't very good last night. It looks like our stars are trying to do too much.. if I had $1 for every time Marner has held onto the puck a little too long this year, if have a few beers to drown my sorrows.
- leafsfann

hutch let a weak shot hit him and go in on the 1st goal.

his giveway led to the 2nd goal.

he literally fell on his his ass on the 3rd goal.

he can't play another game.

it was nice knowing you Nicholas Petan, Kevin Gravel and Nicholas Shore.

marincin to is best position as 7th dman in the press box.
- Tumbleweed

If they're down to 21 when fully healthy then all those guys go plus one of Timashov, Marincin or Spezza.

12 fwd + 7 D ....or 13 fwd + 6 D ...?

- AdamFrench

That bad huh?

MOVING ON!

I have 2 thoughts:

1. The Bruins stars played smarter than ours. Matthews and Marner made some real bad decisions with the puck, they will need to be more consistent before they can be considered top players in the league. But I'm not concerned, Bergeron and Marchand were not really elite players until their mid twenties.
2. Our goalies should stop handling the puck. Seriously, just...don't

If there's evidence to support it, I suppose. My question is - what's the evidence? Sports science is basically saying that you don't want to overwork a goalie, so around 45 games is sort of the current sweet spot. The Bruins and Blackhawks are two teams two very good goalies who could share the load somewhat evenly. So there's that model of saying 45/35, or perhaps distributed closer to the 55/25 range.

The proposal here is that you would have that same 55/25 split, but on many of the days the backup starts, the starter just stays away from the rink and does whatever - or spends the night in the pressbox, and you have some backup backup waiting to go in when the normal backup craps the bed - a guy who never sees game action unless things have already gone to Hell? Or you start him when the guy who rarely starts is tired of not starting?

If there's some justification here that shows it would buy your team a couple of wins, and that couple of wins is the difference between home ice in the playoffs or even not making the playoffs, then maybe it's worth the $1m investment. I don't know.

I will say that it wouldn't be much different than a guy like Holl who last year sat in the pressbox for like 75 games.

It does feel like a career limiting role, though. Maybe it's a way for old goalies to kick around for an extra year or two?

I suppose - reading back my stream of cosciousness here - you could say that I am confused by the entire thing.
- Monkeypunk

*quiet introspection can be extremely valuable*

If they're down to 21 when fully healthy then all those guys go plus one of Timashov, Marincin or Spezza.

12 fwd + 7 D ....or 13 fwd + 6 D ...?
- The Law

seems like i need counting lessons. do they try to squeeze spezza through waivers?

That bad huh?

MOVING ON!
- Scabeh

It's not that bad, but he's trending the wrooooooooong way

I have 2 thoughts:

1. The Bruins stars played smarter than ours. Matthews and Marner made some real bad decisions with the puck, they will need to be more consistent before they can be considered top players in the league. But I'm not concerned, Bergeron and Marchand were not really elite players until their mid twenties.
2. Our goalies should stop handling the puck. Seriously, just...don't
- BestRapperAlive

Not an excuse but just a fact ....that matters.

With JT and Spezza out of the lineup the Leaf fwd average age was about 23.5. Experience does matter. Especially against an opponent like the Bruins.

what about the last 43 or 69?

what about game 1-82 last season?

we must know arbitrary cutoff playoff info
- senstroll

Basically since last jan, theyve been a .500 team.

seems like i need counting lessons. do they try to squeeze spezza through waivers?
- Tumbleweed

Not sure. I think Timashov has looked like a guy they don't want to lose and it might be too early to cut bait with Spezza (maybe).

They've got enough depth in the Ahl on D to risk losing Marincin. If he's picked up and they need a goalie then they've got Gravel or Harpur to call back up.

If there's evidence to support it, I suppose. My question is - what's the evidence? Sports science is basically saying that you don't want to overwork a goalie, so around 45 games is sort of the current sweet spot. The Bruins and Blackhawks are two teams two very good goalies who could share the load somewhat evenly. So there's that model of saying 45/35, or perhaps distributed closer to the 55/25 range.

The proposal here is that you would have that same 55/25 split, but on many of the days the backup starts, the starter just stays away from the rink and does whatever - or spends the night in the pressbox, and you have some backup backup waiting to go in when the normal backup craps the bed - a guy who never sees game action unless things have already gone to Hell? Or you start him when the guy who rarely starts is tired of not starting?

If there's some justification here that shows it would buy your team a couple of wins, and that couple of wins is the difference between home ice in the playoffs or even not making the playoffs, then maybe it's worth the $1m investment. I don't know.

I will say that it wouldn't be much different than a guy like Holl who last year sat in the pressbox for like 75 games.

It does feel like a career limiting role, though. Maybe it's a way for old goalies to kick around for an extra year or two?

I suppose - reading back my stream of cosciousness here - you could say that I am confused by the entire thing.
- Monkeypunk

I don’t think there is any data.

I view this entire exercise as more of a “drink three beers, debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin” thingy.

I do find it an interesting idea, though: is it mental or physical fatigue that erodes a goalie’s performance?

And would this help?

i'd only be down with this if the kings were willing to add carter and brown to the deal.
- Tumbleweed

We'd need to move out a lot of money to make that work.. I hope the Kings like Ceci

I don’t think there is any data.

I view this entire exercise as more of a “drink three beers, debate how many angels cab dance on the head of a pin” thingy.

I do find it an interesting idea, though: is it mental or physical fatigue that erodes a goalie’s performance?

And would this help?
- Atomic Wedgie

Not to go full UG, but I'm pretty sure that it's the Leafs' defense that erodes a goalie's performance.

Not sure. I think Timashov has looked like a guy they don't want to lose and it might be too early to cut bait with Spezza (maybe).

They've got enough depth in the Ahl on D to risk losing Marincin. If he's picked up and they need a goalie then they've got Gravel or Harpur to call back up.
- The Law

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what the hell you mean by saying there is “risk” in “losing” Marancin.

Like, is there risk in me getting a beej tonight from Mrs. Wedgie?

I don’t think there is any data.

I view this entire exercise as more of a “drink three beers, debate how many angels cab dance on the head of a pin” thingy.

I do find it an interesting idea, though: is it mental or physical fatigue that erodes a goalie’s performance?

And would this help?
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't think it would.. A lot of goalies say that they need to keep their routine to stay consistent.. Having a guy start a game and then potentially be in the press box in a suit and tie would throw off that balance

Not to go full UG, but I'm pretty sure that it's the Leafs' defense that erodes a goalie's performance.
- Monkeypunk

Team defense, my arse