No one is arguing that. People are arguing over Pitlick, Carsen or Stewart on the 4th line which is a useless argument. The only thing I will add is that Farabee should help the 3rd line but at the same time you need your top lines going to win games. One goal between the two lines is not going to win you hockey games.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

it's better than arguing future hypothetical situations though...

White hockey gloves are ugly. Especaily Vegas'

White hockey gloves are ugly. Especaily Vegas'
- Big_E_88

lol...could be worse...like wearing pants or back in the day when i think it was the flyers painted their skates white.

Once again, noone hates them or is blaming them for losses. We just think there is a better use of that roster spot. Why not dress the best possible roster?
- bulet13

To me who is playing the 12th forward position and those maybe five mins a night are a lot less important then much of the top 9 not doing anything.

White hockey gloves are ugly. Especaily Vegas'
- Big_E_88

i don't care what color gloves are as long as the team wins

anyone else that watched the Clown show last night feel like Agholor didn't really extend for that deep throw?

The Flyers are playing two rookies tonight.
The Stewart blame-hate is as irrational to me as the Hagg blame-hate
- opeth_pa

The fact that he can’t keep up with the pace of play is reason enough to question his ice time over any prospect.

Please tell me how using Stewart differs from lehtera’s use last season?

The fact that he can’t keep up with the pace of play is reason enough to question his ice time over any prospect.

Please tell me how using Stewart differs from lehtera’s use last season?
- corduroy

That isn't my argument though.

I see six or seven other glaring issues that have to be fixed first. When that happens this team will be in a position where Stewart should only be a spot player.

The fact that he can’t keep up with the pace of play is reason enough to question his ice time over any prospect.

Please tell me how using Stewart differs from lehtera’s use last season?
- corduroy

I see your point, but think stewart is a better skater and will fight, check....that's about it. But there has also been a player on this team like that for years IMO. role players.

How i look at it, we are not rushing the kids through important developmental phases. He is here for one year. Lethera was to make the cap room for the trade.

anyone else that watched the Clown show last night feel like Agholor didn't really extend for that deep throw?
- opeth_pa

watching it live I thought maybe he could have had it, but after seeing the replay several times, he easily could have had that and his effort was a complete joke there.

The fact that he can’t keep up with the pace of play is reason enough to question his ice time over any prospect.

Please tell me how using Stewart differs from lehtera’s use last season?
- corduroy

How does Carsen or Pitlick differ from Lehtera? Age is not a factor when it comes to 4th line minutes. You can either play or you cant. Right now it looks like management really doesnt like any of them.

How does Carsen or Pitlick differ from Lehtera? Age is not a factor when it comes to 4th line minutes. You can either play or you cant. Right now it looks like management really doesnt like any of them.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Ideally when Patrick gets back if you're icing a 4th line that has Laughton and Raffl on it the 3rd piece to that line doesn't matter all that much whether it be Pitlick, Stewart, Twarynski, Bunnaman, NAK etc. I feel like there's going to be a rotation of guys we see used there most of the season and I'm fine with that. Out of all the names mentioned Twarynski or NAK would probably provide the best play on that line but if you're spotting Stewart in there every 4 or 5 games because the other team is dressing a dude who can fight , and usually is known to cross the line and can be a physically dangerous player on the ice I have no issues with that. You'd be surprised how that can relieve certain guys on the team knowing if someone tries to mess with them Stewart will have their back

Stressful times.

I'm not sure why Bill keeps mentioning the Hintz goal Hart had no chance, it was a shot 5 feet away from himthat he let up a bad rebound, and then the next one went right through him. The Perry shot was much more difficult, Backhand in tight is very unpredictable, and Corey Perry has scored some goals in his day. Hart needs to be better though, bottom line.
- ClaudeFather

Hintz shot was from a prime, high-danger shooting area. Hart made the first save. Hintz was already on him to poke the poke through before Hart could cover it. Every Flyers skater on the wrong side of the puck or out of the play. This one one where the goalie bailed the team out on the initial shot and then needed some help from his skaters, but there were none around. Of all the blame on that goal, the LEAST goes to Hart

anyone else that watched the Clown show last night feel like Agholor didn't really extend for that deep throw?
- opeth_pa

I feel like this would matter if the team didn't fumble on their side of the field twice in the opening 5 minutes. Possible 28 point swing.

Fire Schwartz go after Elliott knees
- 2Real

He already working on his D scheme against the 🐃 BilllllS

Ideally when Patrick gets back if you're icing a 4th line that has Laughton and Raffl on it the 3rd piece to that line doesn't matter all that much whether it be Pitlick, Stewart, Twarynski, Bunnaman, NAK etc. I feel like there's going to be a rotation of guys we see used there most of the season and I'm fine with that. Out of all the names mentioned Twarynski or NAK would probably provide the best play on that line but if you're spotting Stewart in there every 4 or 5 games because the other team is dressing a dude who can fight , and usually is known to cross the line and can be a physically dangerous player on the ice I have no issues with that. You'd be surprised how that can relieve certain guys on the team knowing if someone tries to mess with them Stewart will have their back
- FreshFlyer

I know exactly what it is like.

I know exactly what it is like.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Not speaking from personal experience none of us have been in the situation where something like this would apply. I'm strictly going off interviews I've heard from ex NHLers stating that having guys like that on the team gives them a sense of relief in the fact that they don't need to be looking over their shoulders because those "enforcers" are going to deal with anything if anyone tries to get at them during the game. Maybe not all players feel this way but it certainly can't hurt.

Not speaking from personal experience none of us have been in the situation where something like this would apply. I'm strictly going off interviews I've heard from ex NHLers stating that having guys like that on the team gives them a sense of relief in the fact that they don't need to be looking over their shoulders because those "enforcers" are going to deal with anything if anyone tries to get at them during the game. Maybe not all players feel this way but it certainly can't hurt.
- FreshFlyer

Who was Pittsburgh's enforcer in 2016 and 2017?

Who was Pittsburgh's enforcer in 2016 and 2017?
- jmatchett383

I'm not saying you need one at all personally it's better to play the more talented forward and ice the best lineup you can. But with that being said, I can see a coaches motivation for putting Stewart in the lineup in certain situations. Reaves is going to be out there for the Knights so I have no issue with getting Stewart in there tonight , they basically cancel one another out.

Pittsburgh didn't use one , and like I said they aren't needed but if anyone really believes a 12th forward has that significant an impact on if a team is successful or a good team I believe them to be mistaken.

I'm not saying you need one at all personally it's better to play the more talented forward and ice the best lineup you can. But with that being said, I can see a coaches motivation for putting Stewart in the lineup in certain situations. Reaves is going to be out there for the Knights so I have no issue with getting Stewart in there tonight , they basically cancel one another out.

Pittsburgh didn't use one , and like I said they aren't needed but if anyone really believes a 12th forward has that significant an impact on if a team is successful or a good team I believe them to be mistaken.
- FreshFlyer

Blair Betts, Ian Laperriere vs. Chris VandeVelde, Jori Lehtera, (edit) Boyd Gordon

Blair Betts, Ian Laperriere vs. Chris VandeVelde, Jori Lehtera
- jmatchett383

Those guys won't make or break a team at the end of the day and Betts and Lappy weren't 12th forwards on the teams they were on for us , more like 10th and 11th. If you have Raffl and Laughton on the 4th line you're in pretty good shape as a team depth wise. Whoever that 12th man happens to be, it isn't going to make such a huge difference whether it's Stewart or someone else.

Hintz shot was from a prime, high-danger shooting area. Hart made the first save. Hintz was already on him to poke the poke through before Hart could cover it. Every Flyers skater on the wrong side of the puck or out of the play. This one one where the goalie bailed the team out on the initial shot and then needed some help from his skaters, but there were none around. Of all the blame on that goal, the LEAST goes to Hart
- bmeltzer

IMO i thought Hintz was in too tight, didn't have the best angle, and was a bit off balance getting by Niskanen. I'm not saying he 100% should have had it, or the team didn't get walked through, but i felt Perry's was more difficult.

Blair Betts, Ian Laperriere vs. Chris VandeVelde, Jori Lehtera, (edit) Boyd Gordon
- jmatchett383

If anyone thinks Chris Stewart would be on a cup winning fourth line, or even a playoff team, you're dead wrong. Not saying he is why we are losing, but dress your most capable unit.

IMO i thought Hintz was in too tight, didn't have the best angle, and was a bit off balance getting by Niskanen. I'm not saying he 100% should have had it, or the team didn't get walked through, but i felt Perry's was more difficult.
- ClaudeFather

Might want to watch the replay again.

He was smack dab in the middle of the slot, in complete control of the puck, and completely balanced on his skates. There's no better place to be if you have a 1v1 vs the goalie.