But why complain about something irrelevant as Pitlick or Stewart when the lack of scoring by our top 2 lines is way more urgent? Its like complaining about a scratch on your hardwood floor while your house is flooding. You should be focused on the flooding.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The whole team is struggling to score. That's why having talent at every position that can push the play and finish is important.

But why complain about something irrelevant as Pitlick or Stewart when the lack of scoring by our top 2 lines is way more urgent? Its like complaining about a scratch on your hardwood floor while your house is flooding. You should be focused on the flooding.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

loving these analogies in here lately. the gay guy one in the closet has been my favorite so far.

Pitlick looks like he's still in preseason form.
- Tomahawk

Yeah, he didn't have much preseason time with the injury.

The whole team is struggling to score. That's why having talent at every position that can push the play and finish is important.
- Feanor

Yes but scoring often comes from your top 3. Pitlick has how many goals more than Stewart? Carsen had 1 goal and that was while he was on the 3rd line

Love the balance in the top 9, there's no way Stewart should be in over Pitlick though.
- ClaudeFather

My thoughts as well.

So we're stuck with coaches and a GM who has no idea what they're doing? Not again!

The whole team is struggling to score. That's why having talent at every position that can push the play and finish is important.
- Feanor

Read a pretty good analysis in The Athletic today. They chalk it up to bad luck more than it being a bad team. Unsustainable bad luck.


https://theathletic.com/1...optimists-and-pessimists/


From the article:

Despite the disappointing games in Alberta, the glass-half-full crowd can point to some pretty compelling evidence. The 6-3 score versus the Oilers might have been ugly, for example, but for those who care about shot- and chance-related processes, the Flyers deserved a better fate, outshooting Edmonton 52-22 and leading in all-situations Expected Goals by a whopping 7.34-1.85 margin.

This wasn’t a one-game anomaly, either. Through five games, the Flyers top the league in 5-on-5 Expected Goals For percentage (after adjusting for score effects) with a fantastic 63.13 percent rate — nearly seven percentage points ahead of second-place Vegas — and they rank third when looking purely at raw shot-attempt differential at 54.51 percent, trailing only Toronto and Florida. By underlying metrics, Philadelphia has delivered only one poor showing (the Calgary debacle). Otherwise, the Flyers have been somewhere between solid and awesome at 5-on-5.

We all know the bottom line is that in the end results matter, and they haven't been there yet. But at least there is some hope that the results will come because the process seems pretty solid so far.

We all know the bottom line is that in the end results matter, and they haven't been there yet. But at least there is some hope that the results will come because the process seems pretty solid so far.
- MBFlyerfan

There is this article as well which I find very interesting. Although it presents a more foggy outlook.

https://www.broadstreetho...hockey-statistics-idk-fam

So we're stuck with coaches and a GM who has no idea what they're doing? Not again!
- MJL

🤣

But why complain about something irrelevant as Pitlick or Stewart when the lack of scoring by our top 2 lines is way more urgent? Its like complaining about a scratch on your hardwood floor while your house is flooding. You should be focused on the flooding.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

If the top lines cant score then you need some secondary scoring. Stewart and pitlick dont provide that. Twarinski wasnt either, so they brought up Farabee and vorobyev to see if they could

If the top lines cant score then you need some secondary scoring. Stewart and pitlick dont provide that. Twarinski wasnt either, so they brought up Farabee and vorobyev to see if they could
- bulet13

Farabee pots one tonight

Read a pretty good analysis in The Athletic today. They chalk it up to bad luck more than it being a bad team. Unsustainable bad luck.


https://theathletic.com/1...optimists-and-pessimists/


From the article:





We all know the bottom line is that in the end results matter, and they haven't been there yet. But at least there is some hope that the results will come because the process seems pretty solid so far.
- MBFlyerfan

Pretty much.

JvR has been getting chance after chance fed to him net-front, but doesn't have a goal to show for it. Hayes has so many (spectacular) power drives to the net that came up empty. G's had so many high-slot chances with time/space but shanked every single one. TK's starting to grip his stick, too.

All those guys will start scoring (a lot) soon.

Meanwhile, as Feanor said, in times when primary/secondary scoring isn't there, you need auxiliary support. Up to now, they've been basically playing two 4th-lines. Hopefully having Farabee in and spreading the center depth will help.

Voracek in a heartbeat, I think putting him in top line situation gives him a better chance to succeed early on. No way TK drops down. Maybe that Voracek would light a fire under his ass but maybe as well add more Depth to 3rd line.
- Buzzo

Hasn't really happened in his brief time as a 3rd liner so far this season (aside from his PP tallies).

Pretty much.

JvR has been getting chance after chance fed to him net-front, but doesn't have a goal to show for it. Hayes has so many (spectacular) power drives to the net that came up empty. G's had so many high-slot chances with time/space but shanked every single one. TK's starting to grip his stick, too.

All those guys will start scoring (a lot) soon.

Meanwhile, as Feanor said, in times when primary/secondary scoring isn't there, you need auxiliary support. Up to now, they've been basically playing two 4th-lines. Hopefully having Farabee in and spreading the center depth will help.
- Tomahawk

That doesn't even factor in the point blank chances for the defense either. We can run in circles year after year about the chances are there, but eventually the universe will somehow make things right. Good teams/players finish plain and simple.

Yes but scoring often comes from your top 3. Pitlick has how many goals more than Stewart? Carsen had 1 goal and that was while he was on the 3rd line
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

But still cant see the logic of Stewart playing and Carsen send down to AHL
I think he deserved better.Raffl playing LW now is much better then center

That doesn't even factor in the point blank chances for the defense either. We can run in circles year after year about the chances are there, but eventually the universe will somehow make things right. Good teams/players finish plain and simple.
- Glak18

Yeah, it's a team that finished just outside of the top-10 in SH% last season. 8-15th is about where their real shooting talent level is. Not 31st.

But still cant see the logic of Stewart playing and Carsen send down to AHL
I think he deserved better.Raffl playing LW now is much better then center
- goenzoy

The Ryan Reaves factor. I understand why AV is dressing him tonight

So we're stuck with coaches and a GM who has no idea what they're doing? Not again!
- MJL

Lines tn per Bill on twitter

JVR-Giroux-Voracek
Lindblom-Couts-TK
Laughton-Hayes-Farabee
Raffl-Vorobyev-Stewart
Pitlick

Elliott with the start tn
- FreshFlyer

that's a pretty bad first line a line of stupid and invisible... they'll probably score 3 goals tonight

So we're stuck with coaches and a GM who has no idea what they're doing? Not again!
- MJL

nah we're stuck with something worse... you

nah we're stuck with something worse... you
- 2Real

Pretty much.

JvR has been getting chance after chance fed to him net-front, but doesn't have a goal to show for it. Hayes has so many (spectacular) power drives to the net that came up empty. G's had so many high-slot chances with time/space but shanked every single one. TK's starting to grip his stick, too.

All those guys will start scoring (a lot) soon.

Meanwhile, as Feanor said, in times when primary/secondary scoring isn't there, you need auxiliary support. Up to now, they've been basically playing two 4th-lines. Hopefully having Farabee in and spreading the center depth will help.
- Tomahawk

Giroux
Couturier
Hayes
Laughton

Playing two fourth lines have been the Flyers choice. Moving Giroux back to center in my opinion is the only way to spread the world load among the line up. They’re finally doing it.

Giroux
Couturier
Hayes
Laughton

Playing two fourth lines have been the Flyers choice. Moving Giroux back to center in my opinion is the only way to spread the world load among the line up. They’re finally doing it.
- SuperSchennBros

it would be interesting especially since we have hayes now.

23-14-11
49-13-93
25-28-12
21-24-18/44

i would put him at the third line though...to open things up for them

Pretty much.

JvR has been getting chance after chance fed to him net-front, but doesn't have a goal to show for it. Hayes has so many (spectacular) power drives to the net that came up empty. G's had so many high-slot chances with time/space but shanked every single one. TK's starting to grip his stick, too.

All those guys will start scoring (a lot) soon.

Meanwhile, as Feanor said, in times when primary/secondary scoring isn't there, you need auxiliary support. Up to now, they've been basically playing two 4th-lines. Hopefully having Farabee in and spreading the center depth will help.
- Tomahawk

Agree with your assessment and I think that the moves AV has made make sense. They come out strong and get a win tonight, it will go a long way to allowing the team to maybe loosen up offensively.

If the top lines cant score then you need some secondary scoring. Stewart and pitlick dont provide that. Twarinski wasnt either, so they brought up Farabee and vorobyev to see if they could
- bulet13

No one is arguing that. People are arguing over Pitlick, Carsen or Stewart on the 4th line which is a useless argument. The only thing I will add is that Farabee should help the 3rd line but at the same time you need your top lines going to win games. One goal between the two lines is not going to win you hockey games.