Giroux plays any forward position. He’s the best faceoff man on the team, maybe in the league outside of Bergeron. Easily the most gifted offensive threat on the team and makes players around him better. Hands down a better leader than Coots and maybe even more an intense Competitor than Coots.
- SuperSchennBros

I have to disagree with you here. Giroux used to be but Couturier is the teams best overall player imo. He also needs to replace Hayes on the first pp unit, something I am surprised the Flyers are taking a career 40-50 point guy, overpaying him and trying to make him a number one center, sorry it is not going to happen. Back to topic I agree Giroux is a pp specialist for sure but check it out, what does he really accomplish 5 on 5 considering the amount of ice time he logs. I hope G lights it up to prove me wrong but these old dogs Giroux and Voracek are fading imo. Voracek for sure is a head case. I love them all just being brutally honest.

It's too early to panic, but it does look like AV will juggle the lines around until he finds a line up that works. Once again, the Flyers had a slow start to the game. I also think Twarynski should be on the 3rd line, not the 4th. He has more offensive upside than Pitlick. A 4th line of Pitlick, Raffl and Stewart has the size and hopefully the energy to to be disruptive on the ice and eat up some minutes to give the scoring lines a chance to catch their breath. A previous poster mentioned swapping Coots and Hayes. The 2nd line has some nice chemistry going on right now and I wouldn't mess with it. Hopefully Hayes and G get on the same page soon? Except for a couple plays last night, JVR has basically been invisible on the ice, but I still expect him to get his goals throughout the season. The Oilers have a lot of speed. I just hope the Flyers keep up with them tonight?

Incorrect. Hayes is a prototypical 2C who can play in all positions, is heavy on the puck, and due to his size is difficult to play against. It has been agreed a player like that can be worth between 6-6.5 mil a year, and we overpaid 600k due to his UFA status. get over this already.

Although I agree about Ghost being absolutely horrid so far, Braun is clearly able to handle himself defensively. He is a big body, responsible in his own end, can make a solid first pass out of the zone, and has composure in the D zone, something a lot of our guys last year do not have.

We've allowed 8 goals total in 4 games in regulation and OT, last year we let up 8 goals in our home opener alone. its been 4 games, relax sparky.
- sjk540

No problem with Hayes at 2C and do not disagree he is hard to play against. Fact is he is taking first line pp time from Couturier who for me is clearly the teams most valuable forward. Hayes and Giroux is not working but Couter and G have a great track record together, fact again is no matter who Couturier plays with they will all do well as his line with TK and Oscar is the teams only bright spot currently up front. Hayes is a career 40-50 point guy and I remember the Rangers very unhappy with him at one point in his career. All of a sudden he supposed to right the ship, not his fault but that is an impossible mission. You relax mate, Sparky is doing fine.

One more item that bothered me from last night's game: Ghost and Voracek made more passes to the Flames players than Flyers teammates and waaay too many no look back handed passes. In the beginning of the 1st period it seemed like the Flyers couldn't complete a simple stick to stick pass.

he was more noticeable than jake and jvr..almost had a goal I think
- daryl stanley

JVR had a lot of chances, but he and Jake are out there to score and they haven’t done that yet. Problem I have with Stewart is I don’t know what he is supposed to bring to the table. His scoring days are long gone. He’s not an enforcer or a good defensive player. He is to old and slow to be an “energy” guy that is going to shift momentum with big hits or fearless forechecking. I’m not down on the guy but I just don’t want to see him in the lineup too often. He’s back in tonight apparently.

JVR had a lot of chances, but he and Jake are out there to score and they haven’t done that yet. Problem I have with Stewart is I don’t know what he is supposed to bring to the table. His scoring days are long gone. He’s not an enforcer or a good defensive player. He is to old and slow to be an “energy” guy that is going to shift momentum with big hits or fearless forechecking. I’m not down on the guy but I just don’t want to see him in the lineup too often. He’s back in tonight apparently.
- Djapana

Did you watch last night's game? Stewart effectively forechecked by forcing breakouts to make the tough stretch pass. He came very close to scoring once, and almost had another chance. And he had 3 hits by my count (albeit 1 was more of a brush of a follow-thru).

I'm not some Stewie fanboy by any means, but he held his own and hasn't shown any reason he can't hang as a 12/13.

JVR had a lot of chances, but he and Jake are out there to score and they haven’t done that yet. Problem I have with Stewart is I don’t know what he is supposed to bring to the table. His scoring days are long gone. He’s not an enforcer or a good defensive player. He is to old and slow to be an “energy” guy that is going to shift momentum with big hits or fearless forechecking. I’m not down on the guy but I just don’t want to see him in the lineup too often. He’s back in tonight apparently.
- Djapana

I have to agree with you one hundred percent. Nothing against Chris but there is nothing he can contribute in today's game at his age. Just maybe he will become a locker room enforcer and try to motivate some of his team mates that look disinterested, jk of course but his signing really baffles me.

Did you watch last night's game? Stewart effectively forechecked by forcing breakouts to make the tough stretch pass. He came very close to scoring once, and almost had another chance. And he had 3 hits by my count (albeit 1 was more of a brush of a follow-thru).

I'm not some Stewie fanboy by any means, but he held his own and hasn't shown any reason he can't hang as a 12/13.
- GrittySauce

So what you are saying he Stewart looked okay in this game and the teams future lies in his hands. There are probably 31 Chris Stewarts out there that are unemployed and for good reason. Hartman may as well have been resigned despite him being brain dead. Chicago, Nashville and Philly all moved Hartman for a reason and now Minnesota is getting a dose of how to hurt your hockey team. Did you see what he did in Toronto last night, what a loser.

So what you are saying he Stewart looked okay in this game and the teams future lies in his hands. There are probably 31 Chris Stewarts out there that are unemployed and for good reason. Hartman may as well have been resigned despite him being brain dead. Chicago, Nashville and Philly all moved Hartman for a reason and now Minnesota is getting a dose of how to hurt your hockey team. Did you see what he did in Toronto last night, what a loser.
- joegreif17

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Give Stewart the "C"

How many points do JVR, Voracek, Giroux and Ghost 👻 have combined?

How many points do JVR, Voracek, Giroux and Ghost 👻 have combined?
- Landsbergfan

3

G = 1 Assist; Coots = 1,1

How many points do JVR, Voracek, Giroux and Ghost 👻 have combined?
- Landsbergfan

Only 1!!! And it is alarming! If this trend continues.

3

G = 1 Assist; Coots = 1,1
- GrittySauce

And Hayes is the Boogeyman.

he was more noticeable than jake and jvr..almost had a goal I think
- daryl stanley

Jake almost had a goal and JVR almost had a couple. JVR was quite noticeable

And Hayes is the Boogeyman.
- hereticpride

The only sensible solution is to waive every rostered veteran to the AHL.

Whoever isn't claimed on waivers can return after a 10 game "time-out" so they know they should play better

This is just the first regulation loss. G, Jake, and a few others haven't scored yet as has been well discussed, but not due to lack of effort. Other more costly errors are what is hurting this team like lazy or bad passes. Most of the team has been guilty of them so far this season. I agree with what MJL mentioned earlier that these players need to gel so I hope that AV will stop juggling so much and let them go. As for people saying that Coots needs to be on PP1, why? PP2 has been pretty successful. How about starting the PP with PP2? Let them have over a minute of PP time. I dare say that PP1 will be more motivated after that. It's been done before. BTW, for what it's worth Raffl has been playing pretty well no matter where they start him. At least his contract is a deal.

And Hayes is the Boogeyman.
- hereticpride

Hayes been very visible hardworking blue collar, and a great defensive center. Wish he could light the lamp a little bit more.

voracek and ghost have been useless so far

voracek and ghost have been useless so far
- 2Real

LTIR on Lou's island! Would free up a ton of cap space.

Hayes been very visible hardworking blue collar, and a great defensive center. Wish he could light the lamp a little bit more.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Dont worry during the 2nd half explosion the team goes on every year he will likely put up monster points

This is just the first regulation loss. G, Jake, and a few others haven't scored yet as has been well discussed, but not due to lack of effort. Other more costly errors are what is hurting this team like lazy or bad passes. Most of the team has been guilty of them so far this season. I agree with what MJL mentioned earlier that these players need to gel so I hope that AV will stop juggling so much and let them go. As for people saying that Coots needs to be on PP1, why? PP2 has been pretty successful. How about starting the PP with PP2? Let them have over a minute of PP time. I dare say that PP1 will be more motivated after that. It's been done before. BTW, for what it's worth Raffl has been playing pretty well no matter where they start him. At least his contract is a deal.
- RustyPipes

Haven't you heard? Raffl doesn't score 30 points a season, so he's a useless pair of skates

This is my first time replying on this website and im going to be truthful and honest, do you bums really want to talk about chris stewart and what other bums they have on this team. Do you guys actually watch hockey besides the flyers and realize that this is the same team we have watched for the last 8 plus years. They dont understand how to adapt to the new game and maybe it's probably because they dont have the players too adapt. It doesnt matter what coach they have, they have no speed, no skill and teams that know that they have no chance. They have no transition , have no system, when do you ever see them score a goal that looks like it was based off of skill or system. Its the same crap every year, dump and chase pay along the boards (which they suck) play it to the point and pray to go it goes through 6 players or hits someone to give them an opportunity. They are exactly like the philles of the nhl. JVR is irrelevant and we spent 7 mil a year for a guy they knew wasnt good enough when they first had him. Hayes is a 3rd liner on any good team and we spent 7 mil a year. G and Voracek do not have the speed too have these guys so they try to do too much or cant do anything, instead they would rather play half there team that are bums and can "grind", its pathetic. They have a lack of talent and still think the can play the "Flyer way" instead of letting Farabee and Frost and let them deal with the growing pains, if you have the speed and talent you will adjust after awhile. Id rather them be no playoff contention but look like somewhat exciting to watch then have a team that is so boring to watch and them fall 5 points behind the playoffs. Its bad hockey and i blame the talent evaluation from the front office. My 2 cents
- rmcnamee08

Haha this can't be real!
Plind's nephew or something?

We should trade Voracek to EDM for Larsson and then flip Larsson back to NJ for Hall.

Fool proof!

Haven't you heard? Raffl doesn't score 30 points a season, so he's a useless pair of skates
- GrittySauce

He also cant skate except all those times he out skates the opposing players but those dont count

He also cant skate except all those times he out skates the opposing players but those dont count
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Fake news. Raffl only goes on the ice when the other team is already tired, obviously