Could it be that Marino was shackled by carrying Guds on that pairing and thus the poor Corsi rating?

In my mind, you HAVE to consider who is on the ice with the player when looking at their Corsi rating.

It was a great team win. The Pens need all the points they can get. Dwell on the positives, not the negatives.
- chimpira

That's the point. Both JJ and Gudbranson have better numbers away from Marino. It's too early to make a definitive judgement, buy right now JJ-Gudbranson as been better pairing than anything including Marino. That's really bad. Yes, it includes who he's playing with, but he's sub 35% in most categories.

Obviously he as some NHL ready skills like his breakouts and ability to defend the blueline, but his in zone coverage needs some work still. Keep exploring trading Gudbranson, because eventually it will be Marino's time, but right now I think Gudbranson helps more.

And still try to move JJ and get a solid partner for Marino when he comes back up.

I would prefer splitting up Letang and Crosby. Team Letang up with Malkin and Shultz with Crosby.

I am not a fan of Simon and think he is the benefactor of playing with Crosby rather than the other way around. I am waiting for us to play better defensive teams like Washington and Tampa Bay before I coronate Simon the greatest possession player in the game.
- Thunderbolt

The problem with splitting up Letang and Crosby is they often go head to head with the other team's best. You're not doing that with Malkin, and Letang with the bottom 6 seems a waste.

Lebruns latest on The Athletic says GMJR still shopping defensemen, he lists WPG, DAL, ANA and ARZ as teams who need help on the blue line.

I would prefer splitting up Letang and Crosby. Team Letang up with Malkin and Shultz with Crosby.

I am not a fan of Simon and think he is the benefactor of playing with Crosby rather than the other way around. I am waiting for us to play better defensive teams like Washington and Tampa Bay before I coronate Simon the greatest possession player in the game.
- Thunderbolt

last year 5v5

Crosby w/o simon - CF% = 52.99
Simon w/o Crosby...53.49
together....60.42

also keep in mind that when Simon wasn't playing with crosby( and also not letang), he was either 1 playing with malkin, phil and jacko which is a possesion gold mine or 2 playing 3rd line still with jacko.

both make his solo possesion stats even more impressive.

so yea, you're wrong, simon is definitely a good possession player

Lebruns latest on The Athletic says GMJR still shopping defensemen, he lists WPG, DAL, ANA and ARZ as teams who need help on the blue line.
- Murphy_Dump

Should have forced AZ to take JJ with Phil.

Should have forced AZ to take JJ with Phil.
- Tojo.

If I'm not mistaken they were within 500k of the salary cap and couldn't.

Another 4-1 lead loss by Jersey.
Hynes maybe in trouble.

I only went back to the Pens' most recent Cup years, but the team that won the Stanley Cup hasn't been in the top of shot-attempt percentages in the playoffs at all. It's actually not even close (e.g., STL ~50%, WSH ~49%, '17 Pens ~46%, and '16 Pens ~51.5%). Can this guy stop carrying around Corsi like it's the Holy Freakin' Grail?? Not all shots are equal, and, despite the old cliche, some shots are in fact bad ideas. It's like no coach ever told players not to take weak wristshots from the outside.

It's an indirect measure, and it is subject the the incredible degree of variability that is inherent in a dynamic situation like an entire freaking game of hockey. Baseball is dominated by the pitcher-to-batter dimension. So it's easier to quantify events, because of that consistency. In stats, you have to code events to quantify them. Hockey hasn't been able to agree on common terms for coding events (e.g., giveaways, takeaways, high-danger scoring opportunities, or even shots!), so chill out with the metrics, because they haven't decided Cups like some people pretend they have. Advanced stats should include significance testing (which the new-age hockey stats haven't), and even then they are based on probabilities.

Another 4-1 lead loss by Jersey.
Hynes maybe in trouble.
- stevens87

Sounds like they need a good defensive stalwart like Jack Johnson

If I'm not mistaken they were within 500k of the salary cap and couldn't.
- burgh4life87

Could have found a way to make it work. Maybe they just don't pick up Soderberg a few days earlier.

EDIT- Just saw the Hjalmarsson news so their needs may have changed.

Sounds like they need a good defensive stalwart like Jack Johnson
- burgh4life87

Agreed!

Could have found a way to make it work. Maybe they just don't pick up Soderberg a few days earlier.

EDIT- Just saw the Hjalmarsson news so their needs may have changed.
- Tojo.

What news?

Another 4-1 lead loss by Jersey.
Hynes maybe in trouble.
- stevens87

Hughes looking like a potential bust isn’t helping.

What news?
- Rinosaur

Cracked bone in his leg. Out three months. They won't make a trade though without even money being exchanged.

Hughes looking like a potential bust isn’t helping.
- Rinosaur

Six games, no points and a -4. YIKES!!

Six games, no points and a -4. YIKES!!
- stevens87

But what is his CF%?

I use CORSO rating

Cracked bone in his leg. Out three months. They won't make a trade though without even money being exchanged.
- burgh4life87

AZ had leverage over the Pens in the Kessel deal, but they don’t have the greatest track record of moves. It’s hard to tell with them, but my guess is they won’t look to make a major move.

If they did I have to think it would be a rental or someone with little term.

last year 5v5

Crosby w/o simon - CF% = 52.99
Simon w/o Crosby...53.49
together....60.42

also keep in mind that when Simon wasn't playing with crosby( and also not letang), he was either 1 playing with malkin, phil and jacko which is a possesion gold mine or 2 playing 3rd line still with jacko.

both make his solo possesion stats even more impressive.

so yea, you're wrong, simon is definitely a good possession player
- joecool2931

Then Simon should never leave the first line with those stats. I also expect more than eight goals out of the Golden boy.

Whoever it was that thinks the ducks are good, they are not. Gibson is great though and they have a few good skaters. They remind me of past years of Montreal, Price is great and a few good skaters

Then Simon should never leave the first line with those stats. I also expect more than eight goals out of the Golden boy.
- Thunderbolt

Yea id like 15-20 goals out of him. Remember he's the third wheel on this line and a pretty good one at that. Not every team has ridiculous first lines like Boston or Colorado etc.. and that's just never going to be the pens because of the way we are setup with Sid and Geno.

Whoever it was that thinks the ducks are good, they are not. Gibson is great though and they have a few good skaters. They remind me of past years of Montreal, Price is great and a few good skaters
- 668710

That was WSCTeton who wrote them in to the playoffs after three games.

Their best players aged out. What remains is a great goalie, two good dmen and a couple of solid young forwards.

Yea id like 15-20 goals out of him. Remember he's the third wheel on this line and a pretty good one at that. Not every team has ridiculous first lines like Boston or Colorado etc.. and that's just never going to be the pens because of the way we are setup with Sid and Geno.
- 668710

Look, at the cost of Simon, even if he only put up 10 goals, but facilitated Sid and Jake to operate then its a win.

Look, at the cost of Simon, even if he only put up 10 goals, but facilitated Sid and Jake to operate then its a win.
- Rinosaur

I'm not one of the Simon haters, I've actually really enjoyed the chemistry Simon is gaining with Sid and Jake. That being said I think Simon should make it a thing to practice one timers/deflecting pucks towards the net.

He is doing well for a rookie and if the Pens had a stronger partner for him and there was a bigger focus on team defense I’d say let him develop at this level, however this is not the case.

I think it will do him more harm than good. I of course would rather them move JJ and upgrade the LD position.
- Rinosaur

I agree with this with the caveat that there is the potential that Marino learns some bad habits or does things at a lower level against inferior competition because he can which could hurt his NHL game. Tough call for sure, but I think if there is a good trade for Guds out there, you take it.

As for LD, we definitely need to improve that position if we ship out JJ. Riikola has not played a game yet so I assume that means he is not a viable option. Behind him are Czuczman and Warsofsky, so right now, JJ might be the best 3LD we have. I'm thinking we could swing a trade with Dallas - Guds for Oleksiak + to make the cap work (or retain on Guds).