They got 105 points.

That would have to be super-duper lucky.
- Atomic Wedgie

They got some of the best goaltending in league history. It was obscene. The Canes were beat to hell by the Caps and playing like poop and STILL swept the Isles as soon as their goalies slipped a little bit.

I'm tempted to agree. But I won't call them lucky.

They won't get the same godlike goaltending they did last season.... and it will be their downfall.

They'll miss the playoffs but not by a whole bunch imo.
- Scabeh

They're an 85 point team unless Barzal goes full superman mode.

He is overpaid but he is a good player. He was dominate in the NJ game. His play without the puck is great. He's never going to be a point per game player but 60-65 points seems reasonable from what I have seen from him so far.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It's not that Hayes is a bad player. He can be quite effective.

I do think he'll help Philly. Quite alot actually.

It's just hard to feel good about a 7.1M player who's career high is 60 points, which was an unexpected 11 points jump from 2 years prior.

I would have already traded Nylander and Johnsson during the off-season - not sure why you're saying wait to TDL.
- MaximusAurelius

oh

They're going to be in tough having not really fixed anything.

Their big moves were downgrading in net and adding 32 year old Derick Brassard who stunk all of last season.
- BINGO!

Love Brass, but he aged kinda early...

They got some of the best goaltending in league history. It was obscene. The Canes were beat to hell by the Caps and playing like poop and STILL swept the Isles as soon as their goalies slipped a little bit.
- BINGO!

Teams relying too much on their goaltenders are doomed to fail!

...


Wait.

Love Brass, but he aged kinda early...
- 21peter

Ottawa broke him, I think.

They're an 85 point team unless Barzal goes full superman mode.
- BINGO!

When he's at his best, he looks like top3 in the f'n league

It's not that Hayes is a bad player. He can be quite effective.

I do think he'll help Philly. Quite alot actually.

It's just hard to feel good about a 7.1M player who's career high is 60 points, which was an unexpected 11 points jump from 2 years prior.
- Scabeh

The way I look at it is he got 600k more than Schenn. People are big on points but the matter of fact is look at St.Louis. They won the cup and their top scorer had 77 points. Only 2 guys had more than 54 points and 5 guys over 40 points.

It's not that Hayes is a bad player. He can be quite effective.

I do think he'll help Philly. Quite alot actually.

It's just hard to feel good about a 7.1M player who's career high is 60 points, which was an unexpected 11 points jump from 2 years prior.
- Scabeh

His career high is 55 points.

Teams relying too much on their goaltenders are doomed to fail!

...


Wait.
- Scabeh

.910 since he turned 30!

He can still steal games, but I don't know that Carey is what he once was.

They're going to be in tough having not really fixed anything.

Their big moves were downgrading in net and adding 32 year old Derick Brassard who stunk all of last season.
- BINGO!

Lou has some work to do. My goodness there is more filler in that lineup than players. About $20 Million tied up in Andrew Ladd, Boychuk and a pair of lousy goalies - I agree they stink.

.910 since he turned 30!

He can still steal games, but I don't know that Carey is what he once was.
- BINGO!

Oh he's still amazing.

He's just had some very bad/meh teams in the last 2-3 years.

Even this season, our defensive coverage is pretty awful and, despite allowing 4 goals, everyone says he had a great game.

He's the one thing I don't worry about at all every game.

His career high is 55 points.
- Atomic Wedgie

My bad.

Point still stands I guess.

My bad.

Point still stands I guess.
- Scabeh

Yes, $7.1M for Hayes was a great deal for the Flyers..
Whereas, $6.9M for William Nylander was an epic fail by Dubas.

His career high is 55 points.
- Atomic Wedgie

Does he help them to win games though?

Hyman never got 55points, but he's crucial for this Leafs team - not only points that matter.

Yes, $7.1M for Hayes was a great deal for the Flyers..
Whereas, $6.9M for William Nylander was an epic fail by Dubas.
- PatC80

Do you want me to say I like Nylander's deal better?

Because yeah, I do.

Oh he's still amazing.

He's just had some very bad/meh teams in the last 2-3 years.

Even this season, our defensive coverage is pretty awful and, despite allowing 4 goals, everyone says he had a great game.

He's the one thing I don't worry about at all every game.
- Scabeh

That's fair. It's just... dude is 32 now. Gotta wonder how many games he's going to have left.

Does he help them to win games though?

Hyman never got 55points, but he's crucial for this Leafs team - not only points that matter.
- MaximusAurelius

You're not wrong but no one will convince me Hayes new contract doesn't make him overpaid.

Yes, $7.1M for Hayes was a great deal for the Flyers..
Whereas, $6.9M for William Nylander was an epic fail by Dubas.
- PatC80

I think the Nylander contract is fine. Never understood the criticism of the number. What did people expect?

It's not that Hayes is a bad player. He can be quite effective.

I do think he'll help Philly. Quite alot actually.

It's just hard to feel good about a 7.1M player who's career high is 60 points, which was an unexpected 11 points jump from 2 years prior.
- Scabeh

At the end of the day, its an overpay for size.

That's fair. It's just... dude is 32 now. Gotta wonder how many games he's going to have left.
- BINGO!

Around 55 per season until he's 40?

so 55 x 8 = around 440 games + playoffs - injuries.

We'll take them all (or trade him ala Raymond Bourque if all else fails) because he's the mother (frank)ing best.

Do you want me to say I like Nylander's deal better?

Because yeah, I do.
- Scabeh

I do as well.. I think we are in the minority though

I think the Nylander contract is fine. Never understood the criticism of the number. What did people expect?
- DrunkenCanuck

a bridge deal

That's fair. It's just... dude is 32 now. Gotta wonder how many games he's going to have left.
- BINGO!

MAF is still going. He is older too.

But you're right that the window for Price is right now. Which I'm unsure if the rest of the team is at the some point.