Is it me, or is Vesey adding like no value now?

He has plenty of time to bring it around, but he just doesn’t seem to be getting much accomplished out there.


Eyeball test, no acts to back it up, so anyone can correct me on this if I’m missing something.

Edit: And just like that, a backhand SOG.
- gcomella34

Agreed

dd they count ?
- cabin

Yeah he’s been horrible this year
- he’s on pace for 115 points and a +33
-before tonight he hadn’t been on the ice for a goals against

miller and him have been an outstanding pair. Any other idiotic statements sabretoothless

2 assists in a game is the new terrible
- turbo044

He needs to be more disciplined. He was responsible for the SH goal against, and a penalty that lead to a PP goal for the Candiens.

He was shown a lot of trust by being on the PK.
- PrinceChill

Spotted that, too. I hope he does well in Buffalo. Good guy, and like I said, he will continue to get better given increased ice time.

Minimum of 30 5 on 5 minutes

Expected goals for % ENTIRE NHL

1. Kyle Okposo
2. Johan Larsson
3. Zemgus Girgensons


ENTIRE NHL
- OneKaneOneCup

what. the. ever. living.

First time since 2009 ..Sabres won their first 3 home games . 2009
- cabin

Only played 2 at home so far. Sounds like friday vs. Florida is a lock 🙂

what. the. ever. living.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Mind blown

Spotted that, too. I hope he does well in Buffalo. Good guy, and like I said, he will continue to get better given increased ice time.
- gabriel

I saw Al Ny's sweet goal in his first game. How has he played since that game?

Minimum of 30 5 on 5 minutes

Expected goals for % ENTIRE NHL

1. Kyle Okposo
2. Johan Larsson
3. Zemgus Girgensons


ENTIRE NHL
- OneKaneOneCup

This is one of the problems with advanced stats. These expected goals are not reasonably expected.

He's been impressive. Very calm with the puck, and making smart, simple plays.
- PrinceChill

Big fan of him carrying the puck up the ice.

This is one of the problems with advanced stats. These expected goals are not reasonably expected.
- Lunaion

Scoring chances for/against

Okposo 28 for 8 against.

It’s been domination.

The worst players in the NHL will capitalize on scoring chances every now and then

They will start to score at this rate if it remotely keeps up

Scoring chances for/against

Okposo 28 for 8 against.

It’s been domination.

The worst players in the NHL will capitalize on scoring chances every now and then

They will start to score at this rate if it remotely keeps up
- OneKaneOneCup

They will all finish with 18 points and 14:07 atoi

He needs to be more disciplined. He was responsible for the SH goal against, and a penalty that lead to a PP goal for the Candiens.
- Myrtles_Finest

Yup. When they shortened the bench he only played 2:30 out of the last 10 minutes.

Long term I am not worried. I’m just saying he wasn’t good tonight

Scoring chances for/against

Okposo 28 for 8 against.

It’s been domination.

The worst players in the NHL will capitalize on scoring chances every now and then

They will start to score at this rate if it remotely keeps up
- OneKaneOneCup

They won't score at the rate built into the stat though.

They will all finish with 18 points and 14:07 atoi
- jcragcrumple

And they will give up a lot less the other way.

They are winning their matchups by leaps and bounds right now.

It’s ok to admit when you’re wrong. I was wrong too

Kyle Okposo is actually good right now

They won't score at the rate built into the stat though.
- Lunaion

A % stat?

A % stat?
- OneKaneOneCup

expected goals for, i'm sure you understand my point

They were the best line for us in terms of possession tonight. And have been for the year

They’re expected goal for % between the 3 is averaging around 75% which is insanely good.

They’ve been the best 5 on 5 line, almost in the entire NHL right now
- OneKaneOneCup

And I’d imagine they aren’t getting easy matchups either since they start in the Def Zone so much

The thing is...
their ACTUAL goals for will never meet their expected goals for

Some ppl just can’t adjust their thinking it seems
To them...
line1 must do this, line2 must do that, and the same for lines 3&4

AGAIN...
28-22-21 not scoring isn’t a problem if the Mitts line starts scoring
That’s what’s stopping us from being a legit team

Yeah he’s been horrible this year
- he’s on pace for 115 points and a +33
-before tonight he hadn’t been on the ice for a goals against

miller and him have been an outstanding pair. Any other idiotic statements sabretoothless

2 assists in a game is the new terrible
- turbo044

If Risto had 5 of 7 points on the PP he'd be getting ripped to shreds. Especially secondary ones, of which Dahlin has at least 3.

This is one of the problems with advanced stats. These expected goals are not reasonably expected.
- Lunaion

No, they’ll never meet that

But it’s actually a CLEAR example of the analytics matching the eye test
You couldn’t be more wrong here

It shows how much they play in the offensive end
And when they start more in the defensive end than ANY other line in the whole league,
it goes to show just how good that line really has played
AND
So MANY are just prejudiced against them for past performance when they were playing up much higher than they should’ve been

And I’d imagine they aren’t getting easy matchups either since they start in the Def Zone so much

The thing is...
their ACTUAL goals for will never meet their expected goals for

Some ppl just can’t adjust their thinking it seems
To them...
line1 must do this, line2 must do that, and the same for lines 3&4

AGAIN...
28-22-21 not scoring isn’t a problem if the Mitts line starts scoring
That’s what’s stopping us from being a legit team
- jdfitz77

The Mitts line is the 4th line

If Risto had 5 of 7 points on the PP he'd be getting ripped to shreds. Especially secondary ones, of which Dahlin has at least 3.
- Wetbandit1

Lol. Dahlin is on pace for 40 EV points and over 100 points in general (he obviously won’t hit either mark)

Ristolainen looks like a 20 point average player off of PP1

Scoring chances for/against

Okposo 28 for 8 against.

It’s been domination.

The worst players in the NHL will capitalize on scoring chances every now and then

They will start to score at this rate if it remotely keeps up
- OneKaneOneCup

Larsson Girgs and okposo were very noticeably in the offensive zone all night. It was kind of crazy to notice.

Even if they don’t score ,... if it’s in the opposing teams end, neither team can score. (Think about it)
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The Mitts line is the 4th line
- jcragcrumple

Number them how u want

If the Mitts line is scoring,
28-22-21 playing strictly OUTSTANDING defensively is FAR... VERY FAR... from a problem

In FACT...
it’s been a great bonus for us

Larsson Girgs and okposo were very noticeably in the offensive zone all night. It was kind of crazy to notice.

Even if they don’t score ,... if it’s in the opposing teams end, neither team can score. (Think about it)

- Sabretooth9[url]

^this guy gets it