Didn’t have Cap space

AND

Tage WAS given a chance to show he was ready
They decided he wasn’t
It was NOT predetermined
*whether he was better than Okposo or not had nothing to do with it
- jdfitz77

I beg to differ

Hm. Thought it was tomorrow.

How am I off? Doesn't their cap get completely removed from the team cap?

How is LTIR Relief calculated?
LTIR relief comes in the form of two values: a salary relief pool, and a performance bonus relief pool.

These pools are determined the day the player is placed on LTIR. The salary relief pool is the player’s averaged salary excluding performance bonuses (their cap hit value). The performance bonus relief is the player’s total performance bonuses for this season (games played, A and B bonuses), regardless of if they are still achievable.

What if the team already has a player on LTIR?
The teams ACSL remains the same, and their salary relief pool increases by the player’s cap hit, and the performance bonus relief pool increases by the player’s performance bonuses.
- TheSabresTaco

It doesn't. You found the right page on cap friendly. Jump up a section to the calculations and examples. We don't have enough salary replacing the potential LTIR candidates to get the full amount. We have to scrounge to get much additional benefit at all.

I enjoy these details a lot more than I should. It is needlessly complex.

It all depends on whether the player is placed on LTIR before or after the season starts.
- adambuffalo

I'm out of my element, donny

The most basic interpretation i've heard is that LTIR covers the amount of money that you go over the cap with your players.

So Bogo isn't subtracted from the cap, but if we're $750k over, his LTIR hit covers the overage. It's still a problem because you're functionally operating with 0 cap space. Lunaion can expand more or correct me
- jcragcrumple

Hm. Duly noted. Thanks all.

I beg to differ
- jcragcrumple

If that’s your assumption, then fine
But u have nothing to back it up

but unlike the pens, we experiment with gm's and head coaches
- homiedclown

Pens GM is awful

I beg to differ
- jcragcrumple

Troll

Pens GM is awful
- Powerslave

Jack Johnson, Erik Gudbranson and Brandon Tanev are super great contracts

sooper dooper grate

It doesn't. You found the right page on cap friendly. Jump up a section to the calculations and examples. We don't have enough salary replacing the potential LTIR candidates to get the full amount. We have to scrounge to get much benefit at all.

I enjoy these details a lot more than I should. It is needlessly complex.
- Lunaion

The point is that the room is available should we need it

So let’s say that Jcrag’s post is right,
that we are only using 750k of LTIR for Bogo
And that we are still at the normal Cap limit

If we have more injuries,
we can still call ppl up using the remainder of Bogo’s Cap hit that’s not being used for LTIR

So while it doesn’t completely come off,
that room is still available to us

If that’s your assumption, then fine
But u have nothing to back it up
- jdfitz77

God this argument is so dumb, but i can't let it go

Do you honestly think there was a scenario where TT could have made the team over Okposo?

I beg to differ
- jcragcrumple

So do many including the beat reporter.

Tage did everything they asked with putting in weight and getting stronger. He also outperformed most of the roster. He is still sent down.

What kind of message does that send to the young guys?

God this argument is so dumb, but i can't let it go

Do you honestly think there was a scenario where TT could have made the team over Okposo?
- jcragcrumple

I don’t think the 2 are linked like you’re claiming

Tage got his shot, they decided he wasn’t ready & it would be better for him to go down
*you’ve already admitted to agreeing with this

How Okposo played was not a factor in what they thought was best for Tage’s development

God this argument is so dumb, but i can't let it go

Do you honestly think there was a scenario where TT could have made the team over Okposo?
- jcragcrumple

Yes. Thompson averages well over a point per game in the preseason. He needed to be great, not just good. And that's how it should be.

I don’t think the 2 are linked like you’re claiming

Tage got his shot, they decided he wasn’t ready & it would be better for him to go down
*you’ve already admitted to agreeing with this

How Okposo played was not a factor in what they thought was best for Tage’s development
- jdfitz77

Ergo, it was never a competition, because they had decided TT needs more work, even if he was better than Okposo

There was no competition. He could not have earned a spot even if he was better than some, because they think he needs more work, which *is* fine, if they had actually brought in competition that they *would have* let earn a spot.

(frank), i would have accepted a competition between Pominville and Okposo if it was a fair and honest competition

They must be cap compliant in 26 hours.

At 5:00, they can place Bogo and Hunwick on LTIR, which will give them over 7M in space. Put UPL and Montour on IR, "call up" Gilmour, Jokiharju and Olofsson, on paper. We'll be well below the cap.

Teams can comply with the cap by simultaneously placing their players on LTIR and being cap compliant at the same time.
- TheSabresTaco

Is this true?
I thought the amount credited to the CAP for LTIR was maxed out at the same amount they are over only...not the full value of contracts for LTIR play...so only the amount needed to become compliant.
Am I wrong?

Ergo, it was never a competition, because they had decided TT needs more work, even if he was better than Okposo

There was no competition. He could not have earned a spot even if he was better than some, because they think he needs more work, which *is* fine, if they had actually brought in competition that they *would have* let earn a spot.

(frank), i would have accepted a competition between Pominville and Okposo if it was a fair and honest competition
- jcragcrumple

You’re so hung up on your disdain for Okposo that u can’t see Tage staying or going was a separate situation

So no...
Tage & Okposo weren’t in direct competition for a spot in the sense you’re taking it

However,
if they believed that Tage was ready,
then yes- i do think he’d be here

That also doesn’t mean that there wasn’t “competition”
Olofsson made it over other kids
Gilmour is here over others
Guys are being slotted up & down the lineup onto lines & defensive pairings

It just wasn’t as black & white as you want to make it
And it shouldn’t be
Other factors should, and did, matter
For example:
That it was better for Tage to go back to Rochester & continue to develop there
*which again, you’ve already agreed to understanding

Also,
while u think that Okposo is ready to be “Moulsoned” the Sabres obviously aren’t there yet
But u disagree with them... we get it

Let's fix the one we can control
- TheSabresTaco

This is the dumbest thing I ever read.

If the team is a terrible product, we are supposed to be supportive of that? Why? Because Buffalo? Because they're are boys and gosh darn if we aren't proud of em no matter what?

The on ice product was unacceptable last year. The fact that nothing was done during the season with a coarch who was so clearly lost was not acceptable. The fact that the entire roster has returned is not acceptable.

No see. FIRST the team fixes the BS product that they ice every year, and only maybe then do the fans come back to support them. And that's going to take a while.

This post is the equivalent of telling a homeless person to make their stomach stop growling.

Maybe Botts puts Sobotka on 2nd line because Berglund was on there and quit rather quickly.

You’re so hung up on your disdain for Okposo that u can’t see Tage staying or going was a separate situation

So no...
Tage & Okposo weren’t in direct competition for a spot in the sense you’re taking it

However,
if they believed that Tage was ready,
then yes- i do think he’d be here

That also doesn’t mean that there wasn’t “competition”
Olofsson made it over other kids
Gilmour is here over others
Guys are being slotted up & down the lineup onto lines & defensive pairings

It just wasn’t as black & white as you want to make it
And it shouldn’t be
Other factors should, and did, matter
For example:
That it was better for Tage to go back to Rochester & continue to develop there
*which again, you’ve already agreed to understanding
- jdfitz77

Olafsson was just handed a spot on the first line. Sure, he earned a roster spot, but he is no first liner. This was a classic example of something Botteril had decided long before training camp. He said in interviews months ago that he thought Olofsson was ready for a top six role. A real team would be playing Olofsson on the third line and making him earn top line minutes. But you know, this organization gets stuck counting past three when naming their top six, so they just gave spots to a rookie, a third line wing out of position, and Sobotka, because why the hell not. Someone has to play there.

That's not even the same story as a veteran with a contract being pushed out because someone cheaper is better.

Also, Gilmour is here because of three injuries. He gone soon. Now if he keeps his spot over a healthy Bogosian, you have a point, but considering Scandella is here...I am not holding my breath.

This is the dumbest thing I ever read.

If the team is a terrible product, we are supposed to be supportive of that? Why? Because Buffalo? Because they're are boys and gosh darn if we aren't proud of em no matter what?

The on ice product was unacceptable last year. The fact that nothing was done during the season with a coarch who was so clearly lost was not acceptable. The fact that the entire roster has returned is not acceptable.

No see. FIRST the team fixes the BS product that they ice every year, and only maybe then do the fans come back to support them. And that's going to take a while.

This post is the equivalent of telling a homeless person to make their stomach stop growling.
- matty12345

No one is forcing anyone to watch, go to the games, spend money on beer, jerseys, etc.

That's your/their choice.

They have a plan and are obviously sticking to it. Enough people go to the games, watch it on TV, spend money on season tickets. If there were 10,000 in the arena, then they'd worry. There isn't.

You’re so hung up on your disdain for Okposo that u can’t see Tage staying or going was a separate situation

So no...
Tage & Okposo weren’t in direct competition for a spot in the sense you’re taking it

However,
if they believed that Tage was ready,
then yes- i do think he’d be here

That also doesn’t mean that there wasn’t “competition”
Olofsson made it over other kids
Gilmour is here over others
Guys are being slotted up & down the lineup onto lines & defensive pairings

It just wasn’t as black & white as you want to make it
And it shouldn’t be
Other factors should, and did, matter
For example:
That it was better for Tage to go back to Rochester & continue to develop there
*which again, you’ve already agreed to understanding

Also,
while u think that Okposo is ready to be “Moulsoned” the Sabres obviously aren’t there yet
But u disagree with them... we get it
- jdfitz77

Tage would not have been able to win Okposo's job, despite scoring a goal with the same players Okposo is projected to play with. They were in direct competition for the same job, and Tage outplayed him.

Under no circumstances could Tage have unseated Okposo. It's crystal clear. There was no competition

This is the dumbest thing I ever read.

If the team is a terrible product, we are supposed to be supportive of that? Why? Because Buffalo? Because they're are boys and gosh darn if we aren't proud of em no matter what?

The on ice product was unacceptable last year. The fact that nothing was done during the season with a coarch who was so clearly lost was not acceptable. The fact that the entire roster has returned is not acceptable.

No see. FIRST the team fixes the BS product that they ice every year, and only maybe then do the fans come back to support them. And that's going to take a while.

This post is the equivalent of telling a homeless person to make their stomach stop growling.
- matty12345

I put it for you as simple as possible.

Don't like the product? Don't buy it. Period.

Not happy with what they did? Don't watch. Stop caring. You DO have control over that.

Spend your time on something that makes you happy instead of making you miserable. That is a decision you get to make. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to watch the games. Or spend time on a message board discussing such things.

Three games for Evander Kane. I guess the "mean old ref hurt my feelings" song and dance does really work.
- buffalofan19

The linesman was overzealous, pissed off because he took an accidental slash when Kane went at Engelland. You can't have officials tackling guys in those situations. They were both wrong, though that's an incredibly weak "abuse" call, but you can't even stiff arm the officials. Even though guys try and break free by hitting the hand grasping their jersey all the time.

40 guys on waivers and only two were claimed. A goalie who is not any good and a defenseman I mentioned yesterday we should go after.

Not sure if the Sabres were not interested in any of the guys, or if our cap situation prevented them from placing a claim.

Capfriendly has not updated the rosters yet with the guys currently on the roster and the ones that were sent down.
- adambuffalo

Waivers are as rigged as RFAs.

Olafsson was just handed a spot on the first line. Sure, he earned a roster spot, but he is no first liner. This was a classic example of something Botteril had decided long before training camp. He said in interviews months ago that he thought Olofsson was ready for a top six role. A real team would be playing Olofsson on the third line and making him earn top line minutes. But you know, this organization gets stuck counting past three when naming their top six, so they just gave spots to a rookie, a third line wing out of position, and Sobotka, because why the hell not. Someone has to play there.

That's not even the same story as a veteran with a contract being pushed out because someone cheaper is better.

Also, Gilmour is here because of three injuries. He gone soon. Now if he keeps his spot over a healthy Bogosian, you have a point, but considering Scandella is here...I am not holding my breath.
- matty12345

Pretty sure Jack had top 6 minutes his rookie year. He didn't "earn" it by playing on the 3rd line like you're saying.

Olofsson's role should be top 6. Personally, I'd be pissed if they had him on the 3rd or 4th line. Put him with guys that may make him succeed instead of holding him back. This is why I'm fine with Thompson being in the AHL. He doesn't belong on the 3rd or 4th line either. So he's in Rochester (probably filling the spot vacated by Oloffson) and will get top line minutes there.