Currently Capfriendly has us under the cap by about $25k. Shows us at 22 roster size with UPL on the roster and Olofsson and Gilmour not with the big club yet. Also, does not show any LTIR yet. I presume that tomorrow Hunwick will go on LTIR and Olofsson and Gilmour will be officially on the roster.

https://twitter.com/Buffa.../1179093447040520192?s=19

Ralph Krueger confirmed the 22 skaters on ice today will be Sabres’ opening-night roster. Here it is (including injured Bogosian, Hunwick, Montour and UPL). https://t.co/F4j7TNVATN

Just read the Oilers blog and it sounded eerily similar to the Sabres.

Currently Capfriendly has us under the cap by about $25k. Shows us at 22 roster size with UPL on the roster and Olofsson and Gilmour not with the big club yet. Also, does not show any LTIR yet. I presume that tomorrow Hunwick will go on LTIR and Olofsson and Gilmour will be officially on the roster.
- adambuffalo

A few moves coming over the next 24 hours to play with the cap. Guessing they submit a roster without anyone on LTIR at 5PM, then maneuver a bit before putting 1 guy on LTIR. UPL will be on SOIR and have no cap hit.

Little odd that they show Gilmour down, without clearing waivers.....but they have so much work to do right now.

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1179093447040520192?s=19

Ralph Krueger confirmed the 22 skaters on ice today will be Sabres’ opening-night roster. Here it is (including injured Bogosian, Hunwick, Montour and UPL). https://t.co/F4j7TNVATN
- adambuffalo

this isn't exciting

Just read the Oilers blog and it sounded eerily similar to the Sabres.
- adambuffalo

They are Buffalo west.

Their forwards are slightly better, goaltending is quite a bit better, our defense should be a lot better though if they get healthy.

They are Buffalo west.

Their forwards are slightly better, goaltending is quite a bit better, our defense should be a lot better though if they get healthy.
- matty12345

Sabres and Oilers are both headed for top 8 picks (again).

Sabres and Oilers are both headed for top 8 picks (again).
- SabreWest

i refuse to accept this

A few moves coming over the next 24 hours to play with the cap. Guessing they submit a roster without anyone on LTIR at 5PM, then maneuver a bit before putting 1 guy on LTIR. UPL will be on SOIR and have no cap hit.

Little odd that they show Gilmour down, without clearing waivers.....but they have so much work to do right now.
- Lunaion

They must be cap compliant in 26 hours.

At 5:00, they can place Bogo and Hunwick on LTIR, which will give them over 7M in space. Put UPL and Montour on IR, "call up" Gilmour, Jokiharju and Olofsson, on paper. We'll be well below the cap.

Teams can comply with the cap by simultaneously placing their players on LTIR and being cap compliant at the same time.

i refuse to accept this
- SabresFaninIndiana

Not sure i could survive another year like that

i refuse to accept this
- SabresFaninIndiana

Give into the poopty attitude of this place.

this isn't exciting
- SabresFaninIndiana

You're not enjoying the capology element

Botts is doing some great cap work by getting all these terrific players to fit

Give into the poopty attitude of this place.
- TheSabresTaco

The attitude resembles the product on the ice for the last 13 years

They are Buffalo west.

Their forwards are slightly better, goaltending is quite a bit better, our defense should be a lot better though if they get healthy.
- matty12345

Aside from 2 guys they are a pathetic team

The attitude resembles the product on the ice for the last 13 years
- homiedclown

please tell me they have a trade in place to address the center position so that Mojo can go back to wing.. and they are just waiting on waivers or final roster moves.. please

please tell me they have a trade in place to address the center position so that Mojo can go back to wing.. and they are just waiting on waivers or final roster moves.. please
- SabresFaninIndiana

To quote the late Burgess Meredith in Grumpier Old Men
"You can wish in one hand and Cr*** in the other and see which one gets filled first"

The attitude resembles the product on the ice for the last 13 years
- homiedclown

Let's fix the one we can control

They must be cap compliant in 26 hours.

At 5:00, they can place Bogo and Hunwick on LTIR, which will give them over 7M in space. Put UPL and Montour on IR, "call up" Gilmour, Jokiharju and Olofsson, on paper. We'll be well below the cap.

Teams can comply with the cap by simultaneously placing their players on LTIR and being cap compliant at the same time.
- TheSabresTaco

It's today at 5pm.

You're way off on how LTIR relief is calculated.

It's today at 5pm.

You're way off on how LTIR relief is calculated.
- Lunaion

Hm. Thought it was tomorrow.

How am I off? Doesn't their cap get completely removed from the team cap?

How is LTIR Relief calculated?
LTIR relief comes in the form of two values: a salary relief pool, and a performance bonus relief pool.

These pools are determined the day the player is placed on LTIR. The salary relief pool is the player’s averaged salary excluding performance bonuses (their cap hit value). The performance bonus relief is the player’s total performance bonuses for this season (games played, A and B bonuses), regardless of if they are still achievable.

What if the team already has a player on LTIR?
The teams ACSL remains the same, and their salary relief pool increases by the player’s cap hit, and the performance bonus relief pool increases by the player’s performance bonuses.

Hm. Thought it was tomorrow.

How am I off? Doesn't their cap get completely removed from the team cap?
- TheSabresTaco

There was a big argument about this over the summer.

I guess, technically, you get enough relief to get yourself to the cap, but if you make a roster move, you can use that IR space to get yourself to zero again.

So if you're $2 million over the cap, and you put $5 million of salary on IR, you get $2 million of "cap relief". However, if you need to call up a player, say, who's cap hit is $700k, you get an extra $700k of relief to "fit" under the cap so long as you have enough cushion from the IR. I guess it makes a difference when you start to pro-rate salaries.

"Nathan Beaulieu is expected to miss at least the next four weeks with an upper body injury suffered in the final preseason game vs MIN"

I guess that's why they claimed Dahlström.

Hm. Thought it was tomorrow.

How am I off? Doesn't their cap get completely removed from the team cap?

How is LTIR Relief calculated?
LTIR relief comes in the form of two values: a salary relief pool, and a performance bonus relief pool.

These pools are determined the day the player is placed on LTIR. The salary relief pool is the player’s averaged salary excluding performance bonuses (their cap hit value). The performance bonus relief is the player’s total performance bonuses for this season (games played, A and B bonuses), regardless of if they are still achievable.

What if the team already has a player on LTIR?
The teams ACSL remains the same, and their salary relief pool increases by the player’s cap hit, and the performance bonus relief pool increases by the player’s performance bonuses.
- TheSabresTaco

The most basic interpretation i've heard is that LTIR covers the amount of money that you go over the cap with your players.

So Bogo isn't subtracted from the cap, but if we're $750k over, his LTIR hit covers the overage. It's still a problem because you're functionally operating with 0 cap space. Lunaion can expand more or correct me

That's literally what I said.

The point is, if TT was better than Okposo (he was), and if they were never going to let him make the team over Okposo (they weren't) then they should have brought in someone to actually compete for the spot

Sprong or Ho Sang could right that wrong
- jcragcrumple

Didn’t have Cap space

AND

Tage WAS given a chance to show he was ready
They decided he wasn’t
It was NOT predetermined
*whether he was better than Okposo or not had nothing to do with it

Hm. Thought it was tomorrow.

How am I off? Doesn't their cap get completely removed from the team cap?

How is LTIR Relief calculated?
LTIR relief comes in the form of two values: a salary relief pool, and a performance bonus relief pool.

These pools are determined the day the player is placed on LTIR. The salary relief pool is the player’s averaged salary excluding performance bonuses (their cap hit value). The performance bonus relief is the player’s total performance bonuses for this season (games played, A and B bonuses), regardless of if they are still achievable.

What if the team already has a player on LTIR?
The teams ACSL remains the same, and their salary relief pool increases by the player’s cap hit, and the performance bonus relief pool increases by the player’s performance bonuses.
- TheSabresTaco

Head spins off. None of it is readable. I don’t know why they feel the need to include so many variables. It’s a game, not international bird law.

The most basic interpretation i've heard is that LTIR covers the amount of money that you go over the cap with your players.

So Bogo isn't subtracted from the cap, but if we're $750k over, his LTIR hit covers the overage. It's still a problem because you're functionally operating with 0 cap space. Lunaion can expand more or correct me
- jcragcrumple

It all depends on whether the player is placed on LTIR before or after the season starts.