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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 25 @ 10:45 AM ET
3 vs. 5 vs. 6 is a really big part of that equation.

Those players have a tonne of leverage after year 3. The QO's will be 9+ but they players can file for arb for 1 yr and walk into UFAgency.

I doubt any of them want to leave but it gives them a tonne of leverage on their next deals. They'll be one yr from UFA so they'll be signing UFA $$. Judging what Tavares and Panarin and the other elite UFA's are getting years 4-6 are probably 12+ if these guys keep proving they are elite.

- The Law


I know someone posted the numbers the other day but yeah, if they do perform well in their 3 years, they'll get more money than Marner on their new contract but will most likely have trouble "matching" his salary over the same 6 years.

Time will tell how it will look in a few years but I kinda like these 3 year deals for the teams right now.... especially those needing cap space to compete for the cup.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 25 @ 10:45 AM ET
How is Suzuki doing?
- RafiDRW



he is getting revved up.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 25 @ 10:45 AM ET
The whole thing will blow over in a couple days. Besides the normal trolls bringing it up and trying to make it into a big deal five years from now
- RafiDRW


i hear ya.

steve simmons has material for the next 5 years now.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Sep 25 @ 10:45 AM ET
I'm sure if it was anyone else you'd have a different opinion...

but considering you have your lips on his ass I'm not surprised at your opinion

- sliprock65


cause nothing like this or worse has ever happened to any NHL player?

Patrick Kane didn't beat up a cab driver?

I'm glad your not surprised of my opinion though, I wouldn't have slept tonight
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 25 @ 10:46 AM ET
oh man.

that's meme worthy.

matthews fully deserves it.

- Tumbleweed


I tried to add some Spanish flavour into it ..Captain Calzones
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Sep 25 @ 10:48 AM ET
I'm sure if it was anyone else you'd have a different opinion...

but considering you have your lips on his ass I'm not surprised at your opinion

- sliprock65



When it was the staals doing silly drunk kid poop, I genuinely do not remember it being a thing.

When it was ROR trying to turn a Timmie's into a drive in, I remember that being a thing.

That's the difference, it's not a lips on ass thing. It's that there's a line between disorderly conduct and serious charge.

It could be Crosby, mcdavid... Whoever. The trolls are gonna jump out of the wood work, and the rest are going to see it for what it is.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Sep 25 @ 10:48 AM ET
I'm still a little shocked by the numbers I'm seeing.

With all of these guys holding out for so long, I thought they were all gunning for more money than what Aho got.

Turns out only Marner so far did.

Even Goddamn Point signed for less.

I'm really curious where Laine/Connor/Rantanen will fall.

- Scabeh

Everyone gonna get around 7 million... All three of these guys...

Maybe Marner had more leverage...

Let's see...
1. He turned down multiple offer sheets
2. Said he only wanted to play for Toronto
3. Wanted to sign before camp
4. Didn't want to go to European team while negotiating

Does anyone have any other potential leverage points that Marner had that other RFAs didn't...?

PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 25 @ 10:48 AM ET
So Matthews got drunk and did something disrespectful... neither are a crime...
- SofaKingBored


Got drunk, kept his underwear on..
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 25 @ 10:49 AM ET
Everyone gonna get around 7 million... All three of these guys...

Maybe Marner had more leverage...

Let's see...
1. He turned down multiple offer sheets
2. Said he only wanted to play for Toronto
3. Wanted to sign before camp
4. Didn't want to go to European team while negotiating

Does anyone have any other potential leverage points that Marner had that other RFAs didn't...?

- kaptaan

Naked photos of his GM and a koala bear.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Sep 25 @ 10:50 AM ET
i hear ya.

steve simmons has material for the next 5 years now.

- Tumbleweed

To be fair, Simmons is an utter tool.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Sep 25 @ 10:50 AM ET
he is getting revved up.
- bixll

Vroom.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 25 @ 10:51 AM ET
I know someone posted the numbers the other day but yeah, if they do perform well in their 3 years, they'll get more money than Marner on their new contract but will most likely have trouble "matching" his salary over the same 6 years.

Time will tell how it will look in a few years but I kinda like these 3 year deals for the teams right now.... especially those needing cap space to compete for the cup.

- Scabeh


Ya, definitely some short term gain for the teams.

I didn't see what was posted (Monkeypunk?) but if Tkachuk is 3x7 now and enters yr 4 as an elite winger (eg. Panarin) then years 4-6 are going to be worth 11-13 Milly per year. So those same 6 yrs likely cost the Flames between 55-60 million.

RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Sep 25 @ 10:51 AM ET
Naked photos of his GM and a koala bear.
- Atomic Wedgie

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 25 @ 10:52 AM ET
I tried to add some Spanish flavour into it ..Captain Calzones
- The Law


El Capto de Calzones!
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Sep 25 @ 10:54 AM ET
Naked photos of his GM and a koala bear.
- Atomic Wedgie

That could quite literally explain the deal.

I'm wondering what the justification is for Marner when Point signed for less. Granted he signed on a short term, but Toronto offered a short term option as well. Why wouldn't the GM just stick to that 3 year term on a similar deal as Point or Tkachook got?
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Sep 25 @ 10:54 AM ET
El Capto de Calzones!
- Tumbleweed

Now I want to head out to a pizzeria. Thanks, TW.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Sep 25 @ 10:54 AM ET
To be fair, Simmons is an utter tool.
- RafiDRW

yeah even the tool family is disgraced by this
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 25 @ 10:54 AM ET
oh man.

that's meme worthy.

matthews fully deserves it.

- Tumbleweed

I'm going with Assaulton Sextthews
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 25 @ 10:54 AM ET
Everyone gonna get around 7 million... All three of these guys...

Maybe Marner had more leverage...

Let's see...
1. He turned down multiple offer sheets
2. Said he only wanted to play for Toronto
3. Wanted to sign before camp
4. Didn't want to go to European team while negotiating

Does anyone have any other potential leverage points that Marner had that other RFAs didn't...?

- kaptaan


Well he's been better than Tkachuk so there's that.

3 x 7 is pretty equivalent to 6 x 10 .....Marner got the guarantee and a bit of a premium. But the numbers are a lot closer then most understand.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Sep 25 @ 10:55 AM ET
That could quite literally explain the deal.

I'm wondering what the historical is for Marner when Point signed for less. Granted he signed on a short term, but Toronto offered a short term option as well. Why wouldn't the GM just stick to that 3 year term on a similar deal as Point or Tkachook got?

- kaptaan

My guess is the last three big signings have been Nylander, Tavares and Matthews who all got longer deals and Marner wanted a piece of that guaranteed pie.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Sep 25 @ 10:55 AM ET
yeah even the tool family is disgraced by this
- Lucas.Neilson

GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 25 @ 10:55 AM ET
The incident will be what he’s best remembered for.
- RafiDRW


100% what I'm gonna remember him for, now.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 25 @ 10:56 AM ET
No, she filed a sexual assault / harassment complaint... police investigated, reviewed video footage and interviewed all involved... they realized she was not sexually assaulted or abused but gave him a fine...
- SofaKingBored

He hasn't been fined, as the charges (disorderly conduct) have not been proven in court.

You can read the actual police report if you have a Toronto Star subscription.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 25 @ 10:56 AM ET
Now I want to head out to a pizzeria. Thanks, TW.
- RafiDRW


You mean a Tacueria !
SofaKingBored
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 10.13.2006

Sep 25 @ 10:56 AM ET
He hasn't been fined, as the charges (disorderly conduct) have not been proven in court.

You can read the actual police report if you have a Toronto Star subscription.

- Atomic Wedgie


Even better....
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