Points deal, although a bridge, makes Nylanders, Matthews, and Marners deals look awful cap hit wise. It's safe to say Dubas, as a rookie GM, is a poor negotiator.
- aminnes

It's far less years, You can't just ignore that. If Marners igned for 3 everyone would sau he's leaving as UFA soon.

Leafs can't win. 3 years is not great for the team.

It wouldn't surprise anyone. The attention in TO messes everything up. Plus the fact we have a young GM who is doing his own thing...
- Hockey_Reverend

The media reported Shanny was n on the Marner negotiation. But then, I gues after the Mathews deal they had set a precident.

Ottawa Wednesday, Columbus Friday, Montreal Saturday.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit for them to throw in the back-up on Saturday night.

And I have zero interest in seeing whatever poop back-up they have this year potentially ruin a Saturday night game.
- JohnFergusonJr

You should save your Back Up goalie rants for 2 - 3 AM your usual spot.

It's far less years, You can't just ignore that. If Marners igned for 3 everyone would sau he's leaving as UFA soon.

Leafs can't win. 3 years is not great for the team.
- RogerRoeper

I think that's great though.

I don't see it.

In a year where we're wanting to decrease the workload of Andersen we have to turn the reigns over to bandaid Neurvith or Hutchinson
- walshyleafsfan

I see it

I've been saying for months sandin was going to make the team. Don't be surprised if he works his way into the top 4 in terms of ice time as the season wears on.

On a different note, surprised to hear Babcock give his thumbs up to timashov

It's far less years, You can't just ignore that. If Marners igned for 3 everyone would sau he's leaving as UFA soon.

Leafs can't win. 3 years is not great for the team.
- RogerRoeper

I'm not ignoring it. 5 years at 11.6 or 3 years at 6.75, and having the player remain a RFA at contracts end would be far better than what Dubas gave Matthews.

I've been saying for months sandin was going to make the team. Don't be surprised if he works his way into the top 4 in terms of ice time as the season wears on.

On a different note, surprised to hear Babcock give his thumbs up to timashov
- mykokes

Timashov was a bit of a surprise to be honest..

I've been saying for months sandin was going to make the team. Don't be surprised if he works his way into the top 4 in terms of ice time as the season wears on.

On a different note, surprised to hear Babcock give his thumbs up to timashov
- mykokes

I'm not ignoring it. 5 years at 11.6 or 3 years at 6.75, and having the player remain a RFA at contracts end would be far better than what Dubas gave Matthews.
- aminnes

And what if matthews scores 50 and has 100 points this season?

I think that's great though.
- Scabeh

Tampa won the deal..

Tampa won the deal..
- PatC80

They win every (frank)ing deal.

I'm not ignoring it. 5 years at 11.6 or 3 years at 6.75, and having the player remain a RFA at contracts end would be far better than what Dubas gave Matthews.
- aminnes

In year 4 Point will get a massive cap hit from arbitration and can be a UFA the next year.

Trust me, everyone would know this fact is Marner and Matthews signed for 3

I don't care what deals they give

just give me a cup win and nothing else matters

So based on this, you'd rank a Wednesday night home opener against Ottawa higher than a Saturday night game against Boston, correct?

I agree with the majority of this criteria but Ottawa is so horrible, I think I'd rather seem them play a better team. And the only home games against Montreal are coming off a back-to-back (do not want to see a back-up) or the last game of the season (won't matter).
- JohnFergusonJr

I've been to every home opener (except one) for the past 20+ years. There's something special about it. You have to be in your seats at least 30 minutes early - it starts with the 78th Highlanders walking across the ice (place a bet with your friend as to whether or not someone falls).

Then they will do a franking fantastic light show on the ice.

The crowd gets pumped. And then as long as Toskala doesn't let in a weak wrister in the opening minute of the game, the buzz stays.

Don't worry about the back-to-backs against Montreal - it's the crowd that makes the game. So many ex-Montrealers who moved to Toronto in the 1970s and kept their allegiance (I can't blame them). Leafs vs. Montreal is special - it's better than any other team in the building.

The Friday vs. Boston might be a good one. It's the Hall of Fame Game, which I always find to be a little boring. For an incredibly stupid reason, they always do it the same weekend as Remembrance Day, so they have two ceremonies beforehand, which I always thought was disrespectful. It looks like this year the Hall of Fame game is November 15th, so I'm assuming they will no longer coincide.

Fridays can be a rowdy crowd - not a lot of kids, as suits sneak out early, have a few cocktails and then hit the game.

Nov 30 vs. Buffalo looks good - 2nd game of home-at-home.

December 28th Rangers will be all screaming kids.

Last game of the season is always a gamble. Maybe the Thursday before vs. Detroit.

I'm not ignoring it. 5 years at 11.6 or 3 years at 6.75, and having the player remain a RFA at contracts end would be far better than what Dubas gave Matthews.
- aminnes

So when the cap surges from the new TV deal plus the Seattle expansion in 3 years you would rather have Matthews contract up for a potential 15+ million dollar deal? Right when Rielly/Andersen deals are up?

Sorry I don’t want that, of course unless you don’t care to see either Andersen or Rielly on the team.

I've been saying for months sandin was going to make the team. Don't be surprised if he works his way into the top 4 in terms of ice time as the season wears on.

On a different note, surprised to hear Babcock give his thumbs up to timashov
- mykokes

Ironically when Dubas gives him poopty bigger guys, Mike decides he likes smaller soft players

They defo hate each other.

And what if matthews scores 50 and has 100 points this season?
- mykokes

What if Point scores 50 and 100 points? That's not how it works. Matthews agent doesn't say, hey Dubs, what if my client scored 50 and 100 then he'd be worth 11.6. And then Dubas says, well your right, here's your money. That's insane. Plus, any team would rather take 41/91 at 6.75 than 50/100 at 11.6. That's a decent top 4 defensemen. That's Muzzin. Would you trade Muzzin for 9 more goals over a season?

Nylander, a complementary winger, has a higher cap hit than a 41 goal scoring center. Why is it so hard to say Dubas got worked. He clearly did. Will you admit it when Rant comes in at a lower hit than Marner? How many guys have to sign for better deals before you just admit Dubas isn't a good negotiator? Why are you so invested in him?

I've been to every home opener (except one) for the past 20+ years. There's something special about it. You have to be in your seats at least 30 minutes early - it starts with the 78th Highlanders walking across the ice (place a bet with your friend as to whether or not someone falls).

Then they will do a franking fantastic light show on the ice.

The crowd gets pumped. And then as long as Toskala doesn't let in a weak wrister in the opening minute of the game, the buzz stays.

Don't worry about the back-to-backs against Montreal - it's the crowd that makes the game. So many ex-Montrealers who moved to Toronto in the 1970s and kept their allegiance (I can't blame them). Leafs vs. Montreal is special - it's better than any other team in the building.

The Friday vs. Boston might be a good one. It's the Hall of Fame Game, which I always find to be a little boring. For an incredibly stupid reason, they always do it the same weekend as Remembrance Day, so they have two ceremonies beforehand, which I always thought was disrespectful. It looks like this year the Hall of Fame game is November 15th, so I'm assuming they will no longer coincide.

Fridays can be a rowdy crowd - not a lot of kids, as suits sneak out early, have a few cocktails and then hit the game.

Nov 30 vs. Buffalo looks good - 2nd game of home-at-home.

December 28th Rangers will be all screaming kids.

Last game of the season is always a gamble. Maybe the Thursday before vs. Detroit.
- Atomic Wedgie

I agree, if you like to have some beers and hear a rowdy crowd weekend games are a blast.

I’m trying to get Friday night vs SJ this year.

So when the cap surges from the new TV deal plus the Seattle expansion in 3 years you would rather have Matthews contract up for a potential 15+ million dollar deal? Right when Rielly/Andersen deals are up?

Sorry I don’t want that, of course unless you don’t care to see either Andersen or Rielly on the team.
- Santo_44

When AM does this. When the cap surges (it won't). When that, blah blah blah....

By the way, the NBC ratings peaked in 2013. They have been at their lowest th last to yeas. Barely over 300,000. The TV deal will be very similar to what it is now.

15 million! Maybe with Dubas negotiating. Leafs got fleeced. By all three of them.

So when the cap surges from the new TV deal plus the Seattle expansion in 3 years you would rather have Matthews contract up for a potential 15+ million dollar deal? Right when Rielly/Andersen deals are up?

Sorry I don’t want that, of course unless you don’t care to see either Andersen or Rielly on the team.
- Santo_44

The expansion fees are not counted when calculating the cap.

So you hope that they will have higher than average revenues, but it's not going to have a significant upward push on the cap.

The expansion fees are not counted when calculating the cap.

So you hope that they will have higher than average revenues, but it's not going to have a significant upward push on the cap.
- Atomic Wedgie

I’m not taking expansion fees I’m talking revenue.

What if Point scores 50 and 100 points? That's not how it works. Matthews agent doesn't say, hey Dubs, what if my client scored 50 and 100 then he'd be worth 11.6. And then Dubas says, well your right, here's your money. That's insane. Plus, any team would rather take 41/91 at 6.75 than 50/100 at 11.6. That's a decent top 4 defensemen. That's Muzzin. Would you trade Muzzin for 9 more goals over a season?

Nylander, a complementary winger, has a higher cap hit than a 41 goal scoring center. Why is it so hard to say Dubas got worked. He clearly did. Will you admit it when Rant comes in at a lower hit than Marner? How many guys have to sign for better deals before you just admit Dubas isn't a good negotiator? Why are you so invested in him?
- aminnes

Come on man, when you are paying for a longer term you pay for what that player is projected to be.

The top goal scorer in the past 3 years at age 19/20/21 deserves some high trajectory’s for years 22/23/24/25/26. It’s not up for debate.

When AM does this. When the cap surges (it won't). When that, blah blah blah....

By the way, the NBC ratings peaked in 2013. They have been at their lowest th last to yeas. Barely over 300,000. The TV deal will be very similar to what it is now.

15 million! Maybe with Dubas negotiating. Leafs got fleeced. By all three of them.
- aminnes

That’s funny, all these RFA’s and agents signing highly disagree with you on that point.

Or is it just a coincidence players are signing 3 year deals all of a sudden?

The expansion fees are not counted when calculating the cap.

So you hope that they will have higher than average revenues, but it's not going to have a significant upward push on the cap.
- Atomic Wedgie

I believe the expansion fee is counted in HRR