Our preseason teams are pretty even though.

Half NHL players, half young players/guys fighting for spots.

I don't recall the Habs ever doing something like what Babcock decided.
- Scabeh

The NHL has a pre-season roster rule because once upon a time, the Habs sent a busload of dog poop to Toronto.

Early 1980s.

Well aware. But Bobby's making the point that those dollars earned in US are spent in US (in the US) but spent in Cdn (in Canada) ...meaning players get better bang for their buck up here and shouldn't female dog n moan about high taxes.

Problem is as LeafBoltsy pointed out the cost of most things up here has already been converted and as I pointed out the cost of living in Toronto is (frank)ing nuts relative to most US cities.

Advantage to the no-state-tax states. It is what it is.

Leafs have endorsement $, health care and gun laws ....
- The Law

Not sure if the players give a crap about the taxes, or cost of living. Ego drives the numbers. JMO

Yup.
One of the big four will have to be traded next year or after
- Fakepartofme

I love Johnny T...
but in retrospect is it possible his signing changed the structure and expectations of our team for the worse? I know you sign him anyway, you don't pass on a player like that, but immediately our team was vaulted into contender status without winning a single playoff round... our players want to get paid like they are Toews and Kane off a cup win...

Again, you sign Johhny regardless...

The NHL has a pre-season roster rule because once upon a time, the Habs sent a busload of dog poop to Toronto.

Early 1980s.
- Atomic Wedgie

How is that any different then the roster they will use on opening night? The team as constructed is a bus load of dog poo.

The NHL has a pre-season roster rule because once upon a time, the Habs sent a busload of dog poop to Toronto.

Early 1980s.
- Atomic Wedgie

Sad part in the Habs prolly won.

Neither player has finished top 10 in scoring or led the team past the 1st round.

They're both great obviously, but they're now paid like generational superstars, which they're currently not and might never be.
- BestRapperAlive

this is the crux of the debate .....Dubas, Shanny et al ( and a lot of people) seem to believe that they will.

They're 21/22 and these contracts are all about what they and the team believe they will do over the next 5/6 years.

Now it's up to them to do it.

Our preseason teams are pretty even though.

Half NHL players, half young players/guys fighting for spots.

I don't recall the Habs ever doing something like what Babcock decided.
- Scabeh

Yah, not fair to fans that pay for their tickets

The NHL has a pre-season roster rule because once upon a time, the Habs sent a busload of dog poop to Toronto.

Early 1980s.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes well it wasn't a rule back then Wedgie so yeah.

IT DOESN'T COUNT.

We'll see in 3 years.
Probably 9- 11per
- Fakepartofme

It's actually $6.75 no bonuses no up front money, not back end loaded -
straight $6.75 x 3

What makes the Marner deal look bad right now is Point would have to sign for about $15.03 per year to be even with Marner in earnings (outside of tax savings of course) after six years. But that's a fvcked up number if you ask me.

AM is not a generational talent? He is damn close! AM is on a different level then Mitch. I love Mitch, but he is not a goal scorer. AM can do it all, and any weak areas he seems to continually improve at...
- Hockey_Reverend

He has rare talent, but he hasn't accomplished anything. If you just looked at his paycheque you'd think he's Jaromir Jagr. I'm just being devil's advocate here, obviously I'm thrilled to watch these guys for at least 5 more years

I love Johnny T...
but in retrospect is it possible his signing changed the structure and expectations of our team for the worse? I know you sign him anyway, you don't pass on a player like that, but immediately our team was vaulted into contender status without winning a single playoff round... our players want to get paid like they are Toews and Kane off a cup win...

Again, you sign Johhny regardless...
- Hockey_Reverend

Signing JT changed the salary structure for sure.. You knew once he signed, Matthews would ask for more then JT, cause this is supposed to be Matthews team. Marner, he just bent all of us over a barrel while shouting, "I want to be here"

You are incorrect, seeing as we are talking about Tamps, cost of living there is high.
Maybe other parts of the States but again we are talking about Tampa.
- bobbyisno1

Not relative to Toronto ....I'd love to see your research on this ...nope, not really.

He has rare talent, but he hasn't accomplished anything. If you just looked at his paycheque you'd think he's Jaromir Jagr. I'm just being devil's advocate here, obviously I'm thrilled to watch these guys for at least 5 more years
- BestRapperAlive

AM may end up the greatest leaf of all time

yeah I said it

Well aware. But Bobby's making the point that those dollars earned in US are spent in US (in the US) but spent in Cdn (in Canada) ...meaning players get better bang for their buck up here and shouldn't female dog n moan about high taxes.

Problem is as LeafBoltsy pointed out the cost of most things up here has already been converted and as I pointed out the cost of living in Toronto is (frank)ing nuts relative to most US cities.

Advantage to the no-state-tax states. It is what it is.

Leafs have endorsement $, health care and gun laws ....
- The Law

You forgot the part about Tampa also having a high cost of living'
Been there a few times and Nothing is cheaper, but you are paying in American Dollars.

It's actually $6.75 no bonuses no up front money, not back end loaded -
straight $6.75 x 3

What makes the Marner deal look bad right now is Point would have to sign for about $15.03 per year to be even with Marner in earnings (outside of tax savings of course) after six years. But that's a fvcked up number if you ask me.
- winsix

The Leafs always get boned. completely crazy the difference in contracts. Watch Rantanen sign 8.8 x 8 now

AM may end up the greatest leaf of all time

yeah I said it
- Lucas.Neilson

Not that hard.

The NHL has a pre-season roster rule because once upon a time, the Habs sent a busload of dog poop to Toronto.

Early 1980s.
- Atomic Wedgie

After the leafs lose tonight I’ll get to hear my father in law say “what’s wrong with the leafs. They look awful right now.”

He’ll have no idea they are icing an ahl team tonight.

???

his cap hit is 10.893 Mill. That is 11 million... 11 MILLION! Way to hi
- Hockey_Reverend

Did you only read one sentence?

Did you only read one sentence?
- The Law

To be fair, don't we all?

AM may end up the greatest leaf of all time

yeah I said it
- Lucas.Neilson

Anything is possible, it's a pretty low bar afterall. Anyone remember the last leaf to win a hart or art ross or rocket? me niether

The Leafs always get boned. completely crazy the difference in contracts. Watch Rantanen sign 8.8 x 8 now
- Archaic

The Leafs tried to set a market that wasn't even there. Looks like other team's are happy for the Leafs to get on with what they're doing.

Not that hard.
- AdamFrench

Liar!! Any talk of Matthews always gets you hard... I mean, at least for me it does.

You are incorrect, seeing as we are talking about Tamps, cost of living there is high.
Maybe other parts of the States but again we are talking about Tampa.
- bobbyisno1

I have owned a place south of Tampa for over 30 years.

Tampa is not an expensive city.

Real estate is reasonable and was down right depressed in GFC.

Cost of living depends on your lifestyle but I think is a lot less than most nhl cities except for Columbus.

The Leafs always get boned. completely crazy the difference in contracts. Watch Rantanen sign 8.8 x 8 now
- Archaic

Aho is not a comparable IMO, but Point surely is - so I agree with you, Leafs got boned and Tea bagged.

Breakdown of Point contract:
Year 1, $5.25 M total ($1 M salary, $4.25 M signing bonus)
Year 2, $6.5 M total ($3 M salary, $3.5 M SB)
Year 3, $9 M all salary