What is points 3rd year salary?
- bryant

15mil

I have no problem with AM contract. The guy is our future, a goal scorer, a center, and keeps getting better...

MM on the other hand...
- Hockey_Reverend

Neither player has finished top 10 in scoring or led the team past the 1st round.

They're both great obviously, but they're now paid like generational superstars, which they're currently not and might never be.

All NHL players are paid in US dollars.
- bixll

Correct. Marner is making 10.893 million USD! Wowzers! Thats a lot of Timbits!

Point (frank)ed himself.
- BINGO!

Not at all.
Clearly winning a cup is more important

Tampa still has 2.75 im cap space.
Great job by their gm.

Babcock on the Marlie-heavy lineup heading to Montreal:

"What we tried to do tonight is put a bunch of people under a serious amount of duress. You're going to be playing against NHL players, and there are no guys on your team to help you. You're by yourself."

I got a kick out of this quote. I haven’t seen what mtl is icing but this team tonight is going to get run over.
- bryant

excellent - good on Babcock...

but then he(Babcock) needs to come thru at the end of the game and tomorrow and not praise guys just because he knows there names.

If Harpur plays well or doesn't - say so. If Schmaltz plays well or doesn't - say so. Don't make up gud pro shyte.

I think tonight is the "goalie make or break"

Babcock on the Marlie-heavy lineup heading to Montreal:

"What we tried to do tonight is put a bunch of people under a serious amount of duress. You're going to be playing against NHL players, and there are no guys on your team to help you. You're by yourself."

I got a kick out of this quote. I haven’t seen what mtl is icing but this team tonight is going to get run over.
- bryant

Montreal is playing their A pre-seson team.

Going to the game on Wednesday and I expect to see the B pre-season team from Montreal. Tit for tat

Neither player has finished top 10 in scoring or led the team past the 1st round.

They're both great obviously, but they're now paid like generational superstars, which they're currently not and might never be.
- BestRapperAlive

AM is not a generational talent? He is damn close! AM is on a different level then Mitch. I love Mitch, but he is not a goal scorer. AM can do it all, and any weak areas he seems to continually improve at...

I think you're getting into the abstract now. A 10 milly house in Florida is Disney Land. A 10 milly house in Toronto might have a disney princess blow up pool.

I don't think you can take this into what your US dollars buy you in TB vs. Toronto. Players are looking primarily at net income. I'm pretty confident that while the US $ equals 1.33 Cdn dollars here ..life in Toronto is probably considerably more costly then most of the U.S. too.

I think you're right about the dollar being worth more but I don't think players/agents allow the negotiations to get into all of that.
- The Law

You are incorrect, seeing as we are talking about Tamps, cost of living there is high.
Maybe other parts of the States but again we are talking about Tampa.

Tax here in Ontario at that pay rate is 52% in Florida it 37%
But again they only play at home for 41 games, they have to pay the taxes where they are working also.
Eveybody pays the escrow, what about the agents 10 or 15% A 10 million dollar player probably loses well over 5 mil, up here its gonna be worse, but there is the cost of living and the exchange rate'
Been to Tampa many times nothing is cheaper but it's American dollars.
And they do have a tax rate of 8% on everything you buy.
- bobbyisno1

I used escrow as an example of how upset players are getting over 15% The citation is that there's a 15% taxation variance, which basically points out that 15% is a big deal, and by the way - it's a 0% state income tax. Florida has a state sales tax of 6%.

Montreal is playing their A pre-seson team.

Going to the game on Wednesday and I expect to see the B pre-season team from Montreal. Tit for tat
- Leafsandbolts

Our preseason teams are pretty even though.

Half NHL players, half young players/guys fighting for spots.

I don't recall the Habs ever doing something like what Babcock decided.

I get where you are going with the commentary... but we know Marincin is crap already... so at least you get 30 games or whatever until the young guy hits the wall...
and what if he doesn't... what better way to find out what you have in a prospect.

I'm not arguing with you here... I just don't understand the seemingly endless chances that Marincin gets... which blocks other guys from getting a chance.

I mean... can we honestly say we know what the team has in Justin Holl? No we can't he's played like 10 games in two seasons... yet the Leafs keep trotting out Marincin.

He's 26 years old.. he's not going to suddenly get better - the good ship Marincin has sailed..
- BorjeFan4Ever

Ya I truly don't understand why he's in the NHL. I'm in favour of playing the young guys, the 3 vets should be able to help them when they slump

We need a Greta of all issues..

I think we’re going to see a shift, maybe a revolution of sorts. People who openly support racists, climate deniers, sexual predators etc, are all going to pay a heavy price. There’s too much bullpoop now and people see it. We get that capitalism is distructive and doesn’t work for everyone, too many people fall through the cracks. The US pivoted pretty hard left because of the disgusting display of selfishness, and disloyalty to the country from the current regime. It’s no longer acceptable to be an ignorant racist bumhole, people want to get on with a new new way of life. Cleaner, more accepting, and less polarized world.

//endrant.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I take no joy in saying this, but I disagree. The left's message just isn't resonating outside of their traditional strongholds.

The 50 year old white straight male in middle America has lost his job, and he's really franking angry about it, and all he hears from the left is that guys like him have ruined America. All he ever did was work hard at the factory, pay his taxes and mortgage, go to church on Sundays and support his community. And the left is calling him an arsehole.

Bill Maher is right - it's not the time to be promising a revolution.

Shift to the middle, allow the guy mentioned above to vote for your platform, and avert the franking crisis that another 4 years of Trump would be.

//endrant

Not at all.
Clearly winning a cup is more important

Tampa still has 2.75 im cap space.
Great job by their gm.
- Fakepartofme

Wow. That is incredible. I guess they do want to win more then squeeze ever last dollar they can get. Too bad our stars didn't set the bar like that for our team... Now we don't have enough cap to sign a backup goalie... ugh

You ask 30 other NHL teams what trade offers they would propose for those players.

Seems like the Leafs are the only team that cannot convince their star players (sans Tavares) to sign.

They should find out how other teams (including the Oilers embarrassingly) how they managed to sign their RFA's for lower amounts. Or at least to an amount where 23 players are allowed.
- walshyleafsfan

I think Nylander was right on par with his comps. It's been written about endlessly. I think Matthews on his term/# is a bit high. He comes in between Malkin and Stamkos on their 5 yr ELC's. The Oilers got a better deal with McDavid for sure but the deal he signed for 8 years was the exception to the rule. Marner on it's face is about a milly high but like I said earlier it sounds like they may have promised to repay him those ELC bonuses. If so then he's really about 6x10. That's not for off when you consider Aho at 8.5x5.

Our preseason teams are pretty even though.

Half NHL players, half young players/guys fighting for spots.

I don't recall the Habs ever doing something like what Babcock decided.
- Scabeh

But your fans will be so happy they beat the Leafs..

What is points 3rd year salary?
- bryant

We'll see in 3 years.
Probably 9- 11per

But your fans will be so happy they beat the Leafs..
- bixll

I'm getting used to seeing the Habs win the octocup.

The Septecup though? Now that's an achievement you don't see everyday.

I think Nylander was right on par with his comps. It's been written about endlessly. I think Matthews on his term/# is a bit high. He comes in between Malkin and Stamkos on their 5 yr ELC's. The Oilers got a better deal with McDavid for sure but the deal he signed for 8 years was the exception to the rule. Marner on it's face is about a milly high but like I said earlier it sounds like they may have promised to repay him those ELC bonuses. If so then he's really about 6x10. That's not for off when you consider Aho at 8.5x5.
- The Law

???

his cap hit is 10.893 Mill. That is 11 million... 11 MILLION! Way to hi

I'm getting used to seeing the Habs win the octocup.

The Septecup though? Now that's an achievement you don't see everyday.
- Scabeh

Good luck

Wow. That is incredible. I guess they do want to win more then squeeze ever last dollar they can get. Too bad our stars didn't set the bar like that for our team... Now we don't have enough cap to sign a backup goalie... ugh
- Hockey_Reverend

Yup.
One of the big four will have to be traded next year or after

I think Nylander was right on par with his comps. It's been written about endlessly. I think Matthews on his term/# is a bit high. He comes in between Malkin and Stamkos on their 5 yr ELC's. The Oilers got a better deal with McDavid for sure but the deal he signed for 8 years was the exception to the rule. Marner on it's face is about a milly high but like I said earlier it sounds like they may have promised to repay him those ELC bonuses. If so then he's really about 6x10. That's not for off when you consider Aho at 8.5x5.
- The Law

Yeah, sorry i do agree that Nylander's deal is actually good and on par to where it should be.

Not too happy with Matthews' and certainly not happy with Marner's.

Bolded is (frank)ing stupid if it's true.

I used escrow as an example of how upset players are getting over 15% The citation is that there's a 15% taxation variance, which basically points out that 15% is a big deal, and by the way - it's a 0% state income tax. Florida has a state sales tax of 6%.
- Monkeypunk

I believe they don't pay ecrow until they find out their take home, still 15% but it'll 15% on their 5 mil instaed of their 10 mil.

Tax here in Ontario at that pay rate is 52% in Florida it 37%
But again they only play at home for 41 games, they have to pay the taxes where they are working also.
Eveybody pays the escrow, what about the agents 10 or 15% A 10 million dollar player probably loses well over 5 mil, up here its gonna be worse, but there is the cost of living and the exchange rate'
Been to Tampa many times nothing is cheaper but it's American dollars.
And they do have a tax rate of 8% on everything you buy.
- bobbyisno1

Ontario's combined rate is 53.5% and kicks in around $220k CAD this year.

Florida top federal rate is 37% and kicks in at $510USD / $678k CAD.

Sales tax is also 6% less.

Canadians pay a lot of taxes; some good (health services, education), some bad (government waste / election promises).

I take no joy in saying this, but I disagree. The left's message just isn't resonating outside of their traditional strongholds.

The 50 year old white straight male in middle America has lost his job, and he's really franking angry about it, and all he hears from the left is that guys like him have ruined America. All he ever did was work hard at the factory, pay his taxes and mortgage, go to church on Sundays and support his community. And the left is calling him an arsehole.

Bill Maher is right - it's not the time to be promising a revolution.

Shift to the middle, allow the guy mentioned above to vote for your platform, and avert the franking crisis that another 4 years of Trump would be.

//endrant
- Atomic Wedgie

That same 50 year old white man screwed himself even further by voting for trump
A mistake a smart person wouldnt do twice.

All NHL players are paid in US dollars.
- bixll

Well aware. But Bobby's making the point that those dollars earned in US are spent in US (in the US) but spent in Cdn (in Canada) ...meaning players get better bang for their buck up here and shouldn't female dog n moan about high taxes.

Problem is as LeafBoltsy pointed out the cost of most things up here has already been converted and as I pointed out the cost of living in Toronto is (frank)ing nuts relative to most US cities.

Advantage to the no-state-tax states. It is what it is.

Leafs have endorsement $, health care and gun laws ....