it's a tough call, the 2 stud prospects are obviously better hockey players than marincrap and co, but rookie dmen have a tendency to hit a wall after 30 games and get exposed big time. The Leafs don't have great options here

They have a nice looking roster.
- Leafsandbolts

to lose in 4 straight games in the playoffs

hahahahaha

But that's where you take a hard line. The Leafs don't seem to have done that with any of their RFA's thus far. Sit Nylander, tell Marner to sign his fecking offer sheet if he wants, but you can tell the fans why you've done so, and tell Matthews you either get 11.6 for 8 years or you get a lot less for 5 years.

The Leafs practically gave Marner and Matthews a blank cheque book, to the point where we cannot have a full roster or a backup goalie of NHL quality.

Just think about that for a second. It's nuts.
- walshyleafsfan

I guess ...although I don't mind WN's #. I kind of think it was a battle and they met in the middle. The real loss was that it cost the Leafs a top line winger all year b/c it (frank)ed up his play. Both sides seem to regret that. You can't force him to sign ...the only alternative (without losing him all year) was to trade him.

On MM and AM ...you draw a line in the sand at a number and you think they'll sign? What happens when they continue to say no? You take your 8 picks and rebuild for 2027?

hold up it's only 5

forever a hab
- BINGO!

I'm no accountant but their are a few easy read articles out there that go through the various points you make and conclude that it's about 14% in savings.

Looking at the deals signed by Kucherov, Stamkos and now Point I think it's pretty clear that there's an impact.
- The Law

15% is a significant deal to the players. Ignoring the taxes for just one moment, they also lose about 15% of their salary in escrow payments. This was such an issue with the players that the NHL has decided to rollback cap increases for a few years to try and lower escrow payments - in order to avoid future issues with the players.

So you take 15% escrow and another 14% in potential taxation, and that's 30%.

Now, since I don't make $10 million per year, making $7 million seems like a pretty sweet deal. But when someone expresses it as, "you're losing $3 million per year" it seems pretty severe.

Not a bad deal for Tampa with Point.... Despite the term being very short.
- Scabeh

Term shouldn't bother them. He'll re-up for 9 x 8 after the three years.

Not a bad deal for Tampa with Point.... Despite the term being very short.
- Scabeh

That is amazing for Tampa. 41 goals. 92 points.

I guess they don't have a young GM who likes to bend over and take it...

to lose in 4 straight games in the playoffs

hahahahaha
- senstroll

Yup but a nice looking roster.

it's a tough call, the 2 stud prospects are obviously better hockey players than marincrap and co, but rookie dmen have a tendency to hit a wall after 30 games and get exposed big time. The Leafs don't have great options here
- BestRapperAlive

BUT, But, but....Marincrap hit his wall in pre-season

I guess ...although I don't mind WN's #. I kind of think it was a battle and they met in the middle. The real loss was that it cost the Leafs a top line winger all year b/c it (frank)ed up his play. Both sides seem to regret that. You can't force him to sign ...the only alternative (without losing him all year) was to trade him.

On MM and AM ...you draw a line in the sand at a number and you think they'll sign? What happens when they continue to say no? You take your 8 picks and rebuild for 2027?
- The Law

You ask 30 other NHL teams what trade offers they would propose for those players.

Seems like the Leafs are the only team that cannot convince their star players (sans Tavares) to sign.

They should find out how other teams (including the Oilers embarrassingly) how they managed to sign their RFA's for lower amounts. Or at least to an amount where 23 players are allowed.

That is amazing for Tampa. 41 goals. 92 points.

I guess they don't have a young GM who likes to bend over and take it...
- Hockey_Reverend

Maybe he benefited greatly from playing with a team of stars....

Yup but a nice looking roster.
- Leafsandbolts

i know

Babcock on the Marlie-heavy lineup heading to Montreal:

"What we tried to do tonight is put a bunch of people under a serious amount of duress. You're going to be playing against NHL players, and there are no guys on your team to help you. You're by yourself."

I got a kick out of this quote. I haven’t seen what mtl is icing but this team tonight is going to get run over.

But there's not, cause they could have signed up here for much more.
They could pay 10 million American for there home down there or 10 million Canadian up here saving well ove 2 million, not to mention everything else they buy except for booze and funny smelling cigarettes
- bobbyisno1

I think you're getting into the abstract now. A 10 milly house in Florida is Disney Land. A 10 milly house in Toronto might have a disney princess blow up pool.

I don't think you can take this into what your US dollars buy you in TB vs. Toronto. Players are looking primarily at net income. I'm pretty confident that while the US $ equals 1.33 Cdn dollars here ..life in Toronto is probably considerably more costly then most of the U.S. too.

I think you're right about the dollar being worth more but I don't think players/agents allow the negotiations to get into all of that.

You ask 30 other NHL teams what trade offers they would propose for those players.

Seems like the Leafs are the only team that cannot convince their star players (sans Tavares) to sign.

They should find out how other teams (including the Oilers embarrassingly) have managed to sign their RFA's for lower amounts. Or at least to an amount where 23 players are allowed.
- walshyleafsfan

I have no problem with AM contract. The guy is our future, a goal scorer, a center, and keeps getting better...

MM on the other hand...

Maybe he benefited greatly from playing with a team of stars....
- bixll

Maybe Marner benifited from playing with Johnny T and also on our 1st PP?

okay but also LOL at Montreal.

Point turned them down so he could sign... that.

it's a tough call, the 2 stud prospects are obviously better hockey players than marincrap and co, but rookie dmen have a tendency to hit a wall after 30 games and get exposed big time. The Leafs don't have great options here
- BestRapperAlive

I get where you are going with the commentary... but we know Marincin is crap already... so at least you get 30 games or whatever until the young guy hits the wall...
and what if he doesn't... what better way to find out what you have in a prospect.

I'm not arguing with you here... I just don't understand the seemingly endless chances that Marincin gets... which blocks other guys from getting a chance.

I mean... can we honestly say we know what the team has in Justin Holl? No we can't he's played like 10 games in two seasons... yet the Leafs keep trotting out Marincin.

He's 26 years old.. he's not going to suddenly get better - the good ship Marincin has sailed..

okay but also LOL at Montreal.

Point turned them down so he could sign... that.
- BINGO!

I get where you are going with the commentary... but we know Marincin is crap already... so at least you get 30 games or whatever until the young guy hits the wall...
and what if he doesn't... what better way to find out what you have in a prospect.

I'm not arguing with you here... I just don't understand the seemingly endless chances that Marincin gets... which blocks other guys from getting a chance.

I mean... can we honestly say we know what the team has in Justin Holl? No we can't he's played like 10 games in two seasons... yet the Leafs keep trotting out Marincin.

He's 26 years old.. he's not going to suddenly get better - the good ship Marincin has sailed..
- BorjeFan4Ever

Dubas seems to love Marincin

15% is a significant deal to the players. Ignoring the taxes for just one moment, they also lose about 15% of their salary in escrow payments. This was such an issue with the players that the NHL has decided to rollback cap increases for a few years to try and lower escrow payments - in order to avoid future issues with the players.

So you take 15% escrow and another 14% in potential taxation, and that's 30%.

Now, since I don't make $10 million per year, making $7 million seems like a pretty sweet deal. But when someone expresses it as, "you're losing $3 million per year" it seems pretty severe.
- Monkeypunk

Tax here in Ontario at that pay rate is 52% in Florida it 37%
But again they only play at home for 41 games, they have to pay the taxes where they are working also.
Eveybody pays the escrow, what about the agents 10 or 15% A 10 million dollar player probably loses well over 5 mil, up here its gonna be worse, but there is the cost of living and the exchange rate'
Been to Tampa many times nothing is cheaper but it's American dollars.
And they do have a tax rate of 8% on everything you buy.

I think you're getting into the abstract now. A 10 milly house in Florida is Disney Land. A 10 milly house in Toronto might have a disney princess blow up pool.

I don't think you can take this into what your US dollars buy you in TB vs. Toronto. Players are looking primarily at net income. I'm pretty confident that while the US $ equals 1.33 Cdn dollars here ..life in Toronto is probably considerably more costly then most of the U.S. too.

I think you're right about the dollar being worth more but I don't think players/agents allow the negotiations to get into all of that.
- The Law

All NHL players are paid in US dollars.

okay but also LOL at Montreal.

Point turned them down so he could sign... that.
- BINGO!

I would have liked Aho better anyway.

What is points 3rd year salary?

Maybe Marner benifited from playing with Johnny T and also on our 1st PP?
- Hockey_Reverend

Maybe