Much like all of our opinions on an anonymous message board
- HeeroYuy

In the big picture, yes.

In the big picture, yes.
- MJL

What about the small to medium size picture?

I have a very hard time believing Morin would make it through waivers.
- hereticpride

He wouldnt, there is no reason for a GM not to take a risk on the guy. Edmonton would take him 100% for sure

He wouldnt, there is no reason for a GM not to take a risk on the guy. Edmonton would take him 100% for sure
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

THere are plenty of reasons

Is Hayton considered to be a better prospect than Frost?

I fear Gritty will be next
- arichardson22

strained belly button. Week to week

Haag is the better player until proven otherwise.
- MJL

What some avid Phantom viewers think is irrelevant
- MJL

(frank)ing gold.

FWIW, I personally think that Tragically Hip are pretty mediocre, at best.

"They sing about being from Canada...I'M FROM CANADA, THIS BAND IS SO GOOD!"

(frank)ing gold.
- jmatchett383

Nah, just simple facts.

Nah, just simple alternative facts.

- MJL

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Nah, just simple facts.

- MJL

Why are their thoughts more irrelevant than yours or mine?

What some avid Phantom viewers think is irrelevant
- MJL

Just like your opinion.

Why are their thoughts more irrelevant than yours or mine?
- bulet13

Their thoughts are not more irrelevant than yours or mine.

Just like your opinion.
- Shrike

You're entitled to that opinion.

(frank)ing gold.
- jmatchett383

Is Hayton considered to be a better prospect than Frost?
- ClaudeFather

Pronman has Hayton ranked #11 and Frost #28 for the Athletic’s top prospects. FWIW
Without going into the narratives. They score equally in all categories except “physical player” in which Hayton is ranked significantly higher.

Is Hayton considered to be a better prospect than Frost?
- ClaudeFather

Frost I think has a higher ceiling and more offensive upside

Hayton is probably safer with a higher floor but does not have the same upside Frost has.

So depends on what you value more.

Just like your opinion.
- Shrike

I think this, and that matters.

What other people think doesn't matter and is irrelevant because they're not me.

I think this, and that matters.

What other people think doesn't matter and is irrelevant because they're not me.

- jmatchett383

You have it 100% completely wrong. As usual, you're looking to make something out of nothing.

You have it 100% completely wrong.
- MJL

Must I reiterate?

They're not.
- MJL

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Frost I think has a higher ceiling and more offensive upside

Hayton is probably safer with a higher floor but does not have the same upside Frost has.

So depends on what you value more.
- bulet13

Pronman rankings are based on ceiling.

...But for me my view of prospects is based on a multitude of levels (skillset, intangibles, size, etc) and also factors in the organization that drafts the player. Is Hayton more likely to play for Arizona this year than Frost on the Flyers? Who would get more ice time based on the roster depth, coaches and style they play? Prospect with the same ceiling can very easily have different impacts in their career based on the team and other factors involved.

Would Daigle have the same career if he was drafted by another team? Well he could of had a worst career or he could of had a better one, but one thing is certain his career would not be the same.

Whether Pronman looks at those factors when ranking, I have no clue.

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- 2Real

That was bugging me too

Pronman rankings are based on ceiling.

...But for me my view of prospects is based on a multitude of levels (skillset, intangibles, size, etc) and also factors in the organization that drafts the player. Is Hayton more likely to play for Arizona this year than Frost on the Flyers? Who would get more ice time based on the roster depth, coaches and style they play? Prospect with the same ceiling can very easily have different impacts in their career based on the team and other factors involved.

Would Daigle have the same career if he was drafted by another team? Well he could of had a worst career or he could of had a better one, but one thing is certain his career would not be the same.

Whether Pronman looks at those factors when ranking, I have no clue.
- Glak18

I don't see why any prospect ranking would take into consideration who drafted the player, team's roster or coaches and style they play when looking at prospects.

Pronman rankings are based on ceiling.

...But for me my view of prospects is based on a multitude of levels (skillset, intangibles, size, etc) and also factors in the organization that drafts the player. Is Hayton more likely to play for Arizona this year than Frost on the Flyers? Who would get more ice time based on the roster depth, coaches and style they play? Prospect with the same ceiling can very easily have different impacts in their career based on the team and other factors involved.

Would Daigle have the same career if he was drafted by another team? Well he could of had a worst career or he could of had a better one, but one thing is certain his career would not be the same.

Whether Pronman looks at those factors when ranking, I have no clue.
- Glak18

I get what you're saying, but when a player is drafted, the organization will make the pick based on what is best for the team, not the player. I don't think the player's ranking, if it carries any weight, should be impacted by what team picked him, it should be based on his skill sets both on and off the ice.

For instance, if the Flyers had played Sam Morin in his draft year due to a less than ideal set of defenseman, that doesn't mean that he should be ranked higher than guys like Drouin and Horvat.

As for Daigle, his problem was that he never really dedicated himself and played because it came easily to him at lower levels and he could make a lot of money doing it. So I don't think a different team would have a drastic impact on his career. At some point, you either have it or you don't for 99% of players (guys like Knuble being exceptions).

Edit: In the end, the rankings don't matter, only the player does.