Not sure what you mean by this off-season showed how painfully lacking this team is in terms of developing players. Maybe a C, but to draft a top line C you normally have to have a very high draft choice to get one. We've had one very high choice and we took Patrik, concensus choice at that time.

Yes you can land a top centre later than near the top of first round, but normally you have to get lucky. Lot of teams in our boat over the years.

As far as the D goes, aren't you the one saying that D is not that important, and you're happy with our D? We have lots of decent wingers, so what would you suggest?

I think if we don't upgrade our D, we may get a top C next draft.
- grahamzky

I agree that D is not important. But this doom and gloom scenario about not having Byfuglien in the line up is hilarious.

On the other hand, I look at other teams in our division that have been able to draft guys like Viktor Arvidson and Jamie Benn in later rounds and hit home runs. Why can't the Jets do that?

Chicago got a top Center by dealing Schmaltz, St. Louis got two top centres dealing Lehtera, Berglund, Sobotka with some prospects and picks. Nashville did the smart thing trading away a top D just to clear cap space to get a top Center, they also traded a top blue chip defensive prospect for another Center. This are just three examples of teams getting top line centres by using their picks, prospect pool and smart trading. Something the Jets are afraid to do. It's also apparent that Cheveldayoff will wait for his asset to completely decline before moving it, ie. Jacob Trouba.

These are just my thoughts....

Not sure what you mean by this off-season showed how painfully lacking this team is in terms of developing players. Maybe a C, but to draft a top line C you normally have to have a very high draft choice to get one. We've had one very high choice and we took Patrik, concensus choice at that time.

Yes you can land a top centre later than near the top of first round, but normally you have to get lucky. Lot of teams in our boat over the years.

As far as the D goes, aren't you the one saying that D is not that important, and you're happy with our D? We have lots of decent wingers, so what would you suggest?

I think if we don't upgrade our D, we may get a top C next draft.
- grahamzky

Essentially this "draft and develop" strategy in its current form is not working. I want to see more than 4 guys drafted in later rounds develop into NHL regulars.

Essentially this "draft and develop" strategy in its current form is not working. I want to see more than 4 guys drafted in later rounds develop into NHL regulars.
- TheUltimateJet

Traded away a few too many picks in the past couple years trying to "go for it"

Essentially this "draft and develop" strategy in its current form is not working. I want to see more than 4 guys drafted in later rounds develop into NHL regulars.
- TheUltimateJet

I think I read somewhere the % of players to play over 100 games in the NHL that were drafted after round 2 or 3 is less than 10%

my point, this is not a Jets issue, its a reality of the league. the Jets still currently have the following players who have or will be playing games in the NHL this season that were taken after round two by this team.

copp
lowry
helle
apples
poolman
niku

I'd guess that 6 is probably average or even a high amount for a team, to have 6 guys in the line up they drafted after round 2.


as a comparison, I don't think Chicago has one, not one player in their line up they drafted after round 2. they will have Shaw but does he count since he was traded away and then traded back?

Excuse my ignorance but aren't all NHL players paid in US$ ?

Drafting -

Find me another team in the league who have ALL of their #1 draft picks 2011 to 2016 starting on their roster ? ... that's 6 players ... Trouba has moved on but he did start last year ... I'm all ears - who else ?

Add to that - between the same years - we have an additional 1st rounder starting (Roslovich), a 3rd rounder (Lowry), a 4th rounder (Copp), a 5th rounder (Hellebuyck) and maybe another 5th (Poolman), a 6th rounder (Appleton), soon - a 7th rounder (Niku)

I'd say our scouting & drafting has proved out just fine

found this, a little old but I'm sure it hasn't changed much, making the NHL based on where you drafted.


Year 1-5 1-10 1-30 31-60 61-90 91-120 120+ All

2006 100.00% 100.00% 66.67% 30.00% 13.33% 6.67% 5.38% 17.37%
2005 100.00% 90.00% 63.33% 26.67% 16.67% 20.00% 9.09% 20.87%

so basically, if you are drafted in round 3, your chances are about 14%, the next round it drops under 10

I agree that D is not important. But this doom and gloom scenario about not having Byfuglien in the line up is hilarious.

On the other hand, I look at other teams in our division that have been able to draft guys like Viktor Arvidson and Jamie Benn in later rounds and hit home runs. Why can't the Jets do that?

Chicago got a top Center by dealing Schmaltz, St. Louis got two top centres dealing Lehtera, Berglund, Sobotka with some prospects and picks. Nashville did the smart thing trading away a top D just to clear cap space to get a top Center, they also traded a top blue chip defensive prospect for another Center. This are just three examples of teams getting top line centres by using their picks, prospect pool and smart trading. Something the Jets are afraid to do. It's also apparent that Cheveldayoff will wait for his asset to completely decline before moving it, ie. Jacob Trouba.

These are just my thoughts....
- TheUltimateJet

So if this doom and gloom scenario about not having Buff is hilarious, why do you want us to draft another Buff?

How many other teams have drafted a Buff in the last few years? With a low pick?

Some teams do luck into top centres as you said, and I believe I stated earlier. Agreed UJ.

Actually like others that have commented, I am very happy with the Jets drafting.

Justin Faulk is now potentially in play. Jets are definitely looking at him so they are in the running whether we like it or not.

Justin Faulk is now potentially in play. Jets are definitely looking at him so they are in the running whether we like it or not.
- jetsnation

Gone to St. Louis.

There is only 3 ways to improve a team. The Jets don't use free agency, and they don't make trades except to obtain stop-gap measures. That only leaves drafting which they are perfectly average at.
It's why at 9 years into their return they have 1 legit defenseman (Morrissey) and couple of players with potential.

Gone to St. Louis.
- CharlieDog

Hard to compete with a 7 yr $6.75 MM AAV. If anything, the fact Chevy didnt make that move might imply that Buff could still come back.

I have a gut feeling Buff may need some time to heal whatever ails him and is willing to play after Xmas. However, if it was an injury then Jets could not suspend him unless Buff purposely didn't show up for camp...or maybe agreed not to show ? There is definitely something strange going on here with Buff .

Some of our rexident experts did not believe in Faulk, but the defending Stanley Cup champs apparently do.

Excuse my ignorance but aren't all NHL players paid in US$ ?

Drafting -

Find me another team in the league who have ALL of their #1 draft picks 2011 to 2016 starting on their roster ? ... that's 6 players ... Trouba has moved on but he did start last year ... I'm all ears - who else ?

Add to that - between the same years - we have an additional 1st rounder starting (Roslovich), a 3rd rounder (Lowry), a 4th rounder (Copp), a 5th rounder (Hellebuyck) and maybe another 5th (Poolman), a 6th rounder (Appleton), soon - a 7th rounder (Niku)

I'd say our scouting & drafting has proved out just fine
- CorydonKeith

CorydonKeith, no other NHL GM has trumpeted how unique the Jets are in terms of drafting and developing. In every interview that Cheveldayoff does, he always says that the Jets are a "draft and develop" franchise. One would think if that motto keeps getting trumpeted that we would have tonnes of prospects getting ready to make the leap into the big leagues as opposed to the handful of the players just mentioned.

So if this doom and gloom scenario about not having Buff is hilarious, why do you want us to draft another Buff?

How many other teams have drafted a Buff in the last few years? With a low pick?

Some teams do luck into top centres as you said, and I believe I stated earlier. Agreed UJ.

Actually like others that have commented, I am very happy with the Jets drafting.
- grahamzky

Drafting is one thing, where is the development. Vincent has done a pretty admirable job of getting Appelton, Roslovic, Petan, Seuss, Niku, Spacek, Stanley ready for the NHL. There is a gap in the system between him and Maurice, especially if Vincent is running the same system as Maurice. Where does that gap come from? Is Cheveldayoff not facilitating communication?

Some of our rexident experts did not believe in Faulk, but the defending Stanley Cup champs apparently do.
- bennythehat

Interesting thing about Faulk, Winnipeg was not on his No trade list, while Anaheim was.

CorydonKeith, no other NHL GM has trumpeted how unique the Jets are in terms of drafting and developing. In every interview that Cheveldayoff does, he always says that the Jets are a "draft and develop" franchise. One would think if that motto keeps getting trumpeted that we would have tonnes of prospects getting ready to make the leap into the big leagues as opposed to the handful of the players just mentioned.
- TheUltimateJet

I’d be shocked if you can find me 5 other teams that will have 6 or more guys in their lineup that were drafted after round 2 by that team.

And we all know how many first rounders are in our line up, I think this proves the jets are actually above average and near the top of the league for drafting and developing

There is only 3 ways to improve a team. The Jets don't use free agency, and they don't make trades except to obtain stop-gap measures. That only leaves drafting which they are perfectly average at.
It's why at 9 years into their return they have 1 legit defenseman (Morrissey) and couple of players with potential.
- BWJumper

what team do you cheer for? lots of glass half empty disparaging of the Jets without fair measured comments to make me think you are a jets fan.

The jets depth is excellent, defense is a work in progress and Buff may be back and jets have a few good prospects to step up(every team has needs), forward group is the envy of most of the league.

What do you want them to do?

I’d be shocked if you can find me 5 other teams that will have 6 or more guys in their lineup that were drafted after round 2 by that team.

And we all know how many first rounders are in our line up, I think this proves the jets are actually above average and near the top of the league for drafting and developing
- Ross77

No other GM talks about "drafting and devloping" as much as Chevy. If we are so good at it than we should never be afraid of losing players (whether through free agency or trades) as we always have the next man up.

No other GM talks about "drafting and devloping" as much as Chevy. If we are so good at it than we should never be afraid of losing players (whether through free agency or trades) as we always have the next man up.
- TheUltimateJet

Never being afraid to lose players is discussed on day one of the Peter Chierelli class.

See Hall and Eberle for nothing trades

Hard to compete with a 7 yr $6.75 MM AAV. If anything, the fact Chevy didnt make that move might imply that Buff could still come back.

I have a gut feeling Buff may need some time to heal whatever ails him and is willing to play after Xmas. However, if it was an injury then Jets could not suspend him unless Buff purposely didn't show up for camp...or maybe agreed not to show ? There is definitely something strange going on here with Buff .
- jetsnation

Well, I have to wonder if he is going to sit out for awhile suspended, fix his wonky ankle with more idle time and when he gets bored at sitting at home and non stop fishing, he does a Neidermeier and comes back in December or January.

He is likely out of shape, wonky ankle so this might be a possibility.

what team do you cheer for? lots of glass half empty disparaging of the Jets without fair measured comments to make me think you are a jets fan.

The jets depth is excellent, defense is a work in progress and Buff may be back and jets have a few good prospects to step up(every team has needs), forward group is the envy of most of the league.

What do you want them to do?
- 2.0

What about the Jets have I said has not been fair criticism? Is this not the 9th year for the Jets? Have you not looked at their defense depth to start the year. Morrissey then who Kulikov? Pionk? Beaulieu? The rest is just potential in Niku, Poolman, Heinola.
Shouldn't a GM that has had 8 years to put together a defense have more to show than Morrissey plus potential?

Never being afraid to lose players is discussed on day one of the Peter Chierelli class.

See Hall and Eberle for nothing trades
- Ross77

And how much more success has Chevy had? 2 more playoff appearances, and 1 more playoff victory

And how much more success has Chevy had? 2 more playoff appearances, and 1 more playoff victory
- BWJumper

I’m sorry are you defending Cherelli? That’s funny.

What about the Jets have I said has not been fair criticism? Is this not the 9th year for the Jets? Have you not looked at their defense depth to start the year. Morrissey then who Kulikov? Pionk? Beaulieu? The rest is just potential in Niku, Poolman, Heinola.
Shouldn't a GM that has had 8 years to put together a defense have more to show than Morrissey plus potential?
- BWJumper

A lot of recycled GM’s currently in the NHL who’s stanly cup drought is far longer than 9 years.

I’m sorry are you defending Cherelli? That’s funny.
- Ross77

No I'm pointing out that the Jets and Chevy by extension don't have much to brag about.