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TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 18 @ 11:07 AM ET
Apparently Rantanen using Marner as direct comparable for contract negotiations according to some interview on sportsnet radio
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 18 @ 11:12 AM ET
Apparently Rantanen using Marner as direct comparable for contract negotiations according to some interview on sportsnet radio
- TheMussel

As he should.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 18 @ 11:13 AM ET
I don't know if any of you ladies saw this on the Leafs' twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/Maple...tatus/1174035555442745345

I'm just downloading this now - don't know when I'll get a chance to listen, but I'll bet it's interesting.

I'll report back.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 18 @ 11:14 AM ET
Apparently Rantanen using Marner as direct comparable for contract negotiations according to some interview on sportsnet radio
- TheMussel

I'm hoping that Marner's contract has a huge impact on Point's negotiations.

That would make overpaying Marner a little more palatable.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Sep 18 @ 11:15 AM ET
Cause its not cheap to fly out of st johns.
Plus hotel
Plus tickets
Plus booze



And more booze

- Fakepartofme


well... to be fair.. they'd have a pretty substantial booze budget at home as well

cost wise... shop for a cheap fare to Montreal...
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Sep 18 @ 11:17 AM ET
I'm not digging Toronto water as much as Montreal personally

Could just be my building

- TheMussel

Some areas are hit or miss.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Sep 18 @ 11:18 AM ET
Apparently Rantanen using Marner as direct comparable for contract negotiations according to some interview on sportsnet radio
- TheMussel

No sh!t. He should. He shouldnt sign for a penny less.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Sep 18 @ 11:21 AM ET
Apparently Rantanen using Marner as direct comparable for contract negotiations according to some interview on sportsnet radio
- TheMussel


not arguing with you at all... but if the interview includes anything named Dreger or Lebrun AT ALL...

then, it like all the total BS about offer sheets, etc...

are just that... BS from beginning to end.

have they started talking about how the Leafs won't be able to sign Dermott, and how Barrie is going to get 8M a year?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 18 @ 11:24 AM ET
not arguing with you at all... but if the interview includes anything named Dreger or Lebrun AT ALL...

then, it like all the total BS about offer sheets, etc...

are just that... BS from beginning to end.

have they started talking about how the Leafs won't be able to sign Dermott, and how Barrie is going to get 8M a year?

- BorjeFan4Ever

I heard that Philly gave Dermott an offer sheet, and then the Rangers sent an offer sheet to Philly for that offer sheet.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
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Sep 18 @ 11:27 AM ET
I heard that Philly gave Dermott an offer sheet, and then the Rangers sent an offer sheet to Philly for that offer sheet.
- Atomic Wedgie


did they remember to include Paul Marner in the negotiations?
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Sep 18 @ 11:27 AM ET
I'm hoping that Marner's contract has a huge impact on Point's negotiations.

That would make overpaying Marner a little more palatable.

- Atomic Wedgie

Yup.
Would hate to see point and rat sign for quite a bit less than mm
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 18 @ 11:34 AM ET
did they remember to include Paul Marner in the negotiations?
- BorjeFan4Ever


they were going to, but then his feelings got hurt.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 18 @ 11:47 AM ET
Marner is much much better than Rantanen and Point.
1.5-2mln AAV better.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 18 @ 11:54 AM ET
Marner is much much better than Rantanen and Point.
1.5-2mln AAV better.

- MaximusAurelius


omg, how early in the morning do you start drinking?

Comments like this, you have to be at least 12 beers in...
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Sep 18 @ 12:04 PM ET
Marner is much much better than Rantanen and Point.
1.5-2mln AAV better.

- MaximusAurelius

Umm.
Feel free to explain.

Go
Hockey_Reverend
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2012

Sep 18 @ 12:09 PM ET
That's sadly not an exaggeration.

Look at this: https://www.realtor.ca/re...waterfront-communities-c1

A million years ago I rented a unit just down the hall from that one. It was 400 square feet. You walked in, there was a bathroom on the right, a small kitchen with a pass through window just beyond, and then one room.

That's $730k.

- Monkeypunk


I love the exclamation mark after the square footage.... 758 sq ft!
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 18 @ 12:19 PM ET
Umm.
Feel free to explain.

Go

- Fakepartofme



Gotta be related to the 12 beers
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 18 @ 12:20 PM ET
omg, how early in the morning do you start drinking?

Comments like this, you have to be at least 12 beers in...

- PatC80


I like to look at players and their number of takeaways - in combination with takeaways - giveaways.
I think Marner will be close to leading the league in takeaways this year (with McDavid, Barkov, Stone, O'Reilly and a few others).
When looking at takeaways - giveaways last season, but are quite similar (+10 approx).
Marner is much more of a risk taker - which is expressed in those stats.
Point is more of a safe player - very valueable (like Bergeron for example) but to me a as a fan less attractive to watch (although still can appreciate it a lot).

So to clarify (and to clarify what I meant) - to me, Marner and Point are equally good players (as for helping a team winning a cup - might even be that the 2way FW that Point is add more value to that) - however, Marner gets more money because of the fact that fans like his 'high-risk high-reward' play more - basically it sells (tickets and outfits and hats etc. etc.).

p.s.1: have to recognise that Nylander was better than I expected in the takeaway - giveaway category 2 seasons ago ; maybe there is some hope..
p.s.2: obviously, on bad teams, some of these players will likely to have a negative takeaway vs giveaway balance - so i am aware there is some heavy bias in the stat.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Sep 18 @ 12:36 PM ET
Apparently Rantanen using Marner as direct comparable for contract negotiations according to some interview on sportsnet radio
- TheMussel


It's interesting because Colorado is one of a few teams that has lots of talent but can probably afford to pay $11 million for a player like Rantanen. Its a fair comparisson,
similar point totals, same position - I don't see enough of Colorado to give a reasonable and unbiased assessment but Rantanen is 6'4" and he'll get paid IMO
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 04.03.2016

Sep 18 @ 12:40 PM ET
Marner is much much better than Rantanen and Point.
1.5-2mln AAV better.

- MaximusAurelius


I really like Marner - I see him alot more than the other two. That said - similar point totals for all three - Point scores more goals which should be worth a little more than assists. Rantanen also scores more goals than Marner and he has size - so I disagree with you.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 18 @ 12:44 PM ET
I'm hoping that Marner's contract has a huge impact on Point's negotiations.

That would make overpaying Marner a little more palatable.

- Atomic Wedgie


Point will sign a bridge deal for around 6.

BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner
Joined: 06.21.2012

Sep 18 @ 12:47 PM ET

Didn't get to watch the game (stupid early start)
How did our golden boy look?
Any of the bubble guys put in good performances?
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 18 @ 12:50 PM ET
There are, but the lower section is no very inviting..
- bixll

BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Sep 18 @ 1:10 PM ET
Didn't get to watch the game (stupid early start)
How did our golden boy look?
Any of the bubble guys put in good performances?

- BestRapperAlive


Marner was active, but rusty.
Goat looked like a Gazelle - seriously he looked for more interested than usual.
Spezza, conversely looked like Jason Allison with dull skates.
Barrie looked rusty, but isn't averse to carrying the puck and mixing things up.
Schmaltz looked weak
Marincin looked exactly like Marincin (which isn't a good thing)
hunter3333
Edmonton Oilers
Location: NE
Joined: 01.03.2008

Sep 18 @ 1:10 PM ET
Lucas Neilson: Preseason fun has begun
Leafs in action

- Lucas.Neilson

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