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MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 17 @ 1:56 PM ET
I agree on JJ, his advanced stats also didn't back up the idea he was a good penalty killer. Other than Schultz and Ruhwedel, he graded out the worst.

I'd put Pettersson and Gudbranson as the second PK pair since they play well together. Gudbranson is much better at net front than JJ, he actually moves guys instead of just forming a bigger screen.

I'm concerned about the forwards. McCann, Rust, and Tanev are all solid, but none are a Hagelin type ace. Blueger and ZAR didn't grad out great but are developing. Sounds like Kahun will get look but he didn't do much last year.

- Tojo.


Yeah, I was wondering about Kahun, but was leaning towards him not being on the PK units. Rust and Tanev should be mainstays. I think one of the times faceoffs are important is on the PK but I'm not seeing good FO guys among who you listed.

I'm all for Sid being on the ice for the last 30ish seconds of a PK as well.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 17 @ 2:18 PM ET
Yeah, I was wondering about Kahun, but was leaning towards him not being on the PK units. Rust and Tanev should be mainstays. I think one of the times faceoffs are important is on the PK but I'm not seeing good FO guys among who you listed.

I'm all for Sid being on the ice for the last 30ish seconds of a PK as well.

- MattStrat

Do we have any good FO guys besides Sid? Honestly don't know. I've considered starting the PK with Sid just for FOs.

One thing Kahun wasn't good at was the PP, he spent a lot of time on the second unit and did nothing, so I don't mind trying him at PK. Speed up front usually helps. I think I start Blueger-Rust and Tanev-McCann as my pairings with McCann taking FOs. Just put Rust and Blueger together because they're on the same line.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 17 @ 2:23 PM ET
Do we have any good FO guys besides Sid? Honestly don't know. I've considered starting the PK with Sid just for FOs.

One thing Kahun wasn't good at was the PP, he spent a lot of time on the second unit and did nothing, so I don't mind trying him at PK. Speed up front usually helps. I think I start Blueger-Rust and Tanev-McCann as my pairings with McCann taking FOs. Just put Rust and Blueger together because they're on the same line.

- Tojo.


Well..Bjugs is right around 50% for FO's on his career...and I like his big frame and reach. I could see him getting PK time for sure.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 17 @ 2:27 PM ET
A quick google search has showed me that Bjugs FOW% was better than MacKinnon, Scheifele, Zibanejad, Backstrom, Stepan, Eichal, Nelson, W Karlsson and other 1 or 2 C's last season.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 17 @ 2:45 PM ET
Well..Bjugs is right around 50% for FO's on his career...and I like his big frame and reach. I could see him getting PK time for sure.
- MattStrat

Bjugstad is a little under 50%, but it gets real bad after that. Might have to either use Bjugstad. Or use Sid and tell him to get straight off the ice if he wins it. Or just lose that FO to start the PP a lot.
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Sep 17 @ 4:23 PM ET
Yeah but even resident mouth breathers could learn a thing or two from this blog.
- j.boyd919




Hope he publishes a 5v5 (which was a major concern in recent times) analysis too...

I think he definitely reads our comments.
- MattStrat


You know what an optimist is?
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Sep 17 @ 6:27 PM ET
Bjugstad is a little under 50%, but it gets real bad after that. Might have to either use Bjugstad. Or use Sid and tell him to get straight off the ice if he wins it. Or just lose that FO to start the PP a lot.
- Tojo.



Im not adverse to Crosby killing penalties, alot of the other top players around the league do it. I understand from a preventing injury stand point, but I think a Selke would look good in Crosby's trophy case.

Bjugstad is the obvious choice though.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Sep 17 @ 6:37 PM ET
Im not adverse to Crosby killing penalties, alot of the other top players around the league do it. I understand from a preventing injury stand point, but I think a Selke would look good in Crosby's trophy case.

Bjugstad is the obvious choice though.

- stackthepads


He should have one it last year to be honest.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Sep 17 @ 7:06 PM ET
Very little mention of your dreaded fancy stats in this one, Grindy.

There's no pleasing you...

What would you like his next blog to be about?

- MattStrat

How the nhl became a bunch of puss ies when they instituted a visor rule?
How Phil Kessel destroyed Malkins joy of playing hockey last year?
How a blocked shot is as good as a goal scored?
How Fancy stat darling teams get beat in the post season regularly by a well coached team all buying into the system?
How a Bradon Tanev is “the fastest player in the NHL?
How Jsck Johnson sucks at hoc.........oh wait.


Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Sep 17 @ 7:07 PM ET
Im not adverse to Crosby killing penalties, alot of the other top players around the league do it. I understand from a preventing injury stand point, but I think a Selke would look good in Crosby's trophy case.

Bjugstad is the obvious choice though.

- stackthepads

Sid will blocked every shot he can, blocked shots are one of the most noble thing a hockey player can do. I just don’t want Sid doing it.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 17 @ 7:15 PM ET
Just signed up for HBSL. Team name in keeping with my It’s Always Sunny theme: Shadynasty
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 17 @ 7:34 PM ET
Just signed up for HBSL. Team name in keeping with my It’s Always Sunny theme: Shadynasty
- Rinosaur


To join again this year or not ...hmmm 🤔
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Sep 17 @ 7:36 PM ET
To join again this year or not ...hmmm 🤔
- MattStrat

With no stakes I predictably got bored and dropped off.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Sep 17 @ 7:56 PM ET
A quick google search has showed me that Bjugs FOW% was better than MacKinnon, Scheifele, Zibanejad, Backstrom, Stepan, Eichal, Nelson, W Karlsson and other 1 or 2 C's last season.
- MattStrat

Well now. We are sure to win the cup.
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Sep 17 @ 8:03 PM ET
Shadynasty
- Rinosaur


Did Aussie ever come back, or is he still serving a penalty?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 17 @ 8:05 PM ET
Did Aussie ever come back, or is he still serving a penalty?
- VeryModernMan


He was definitely a loony, but I’m not sure what he could have done to get a lifetime ban. My guess is he just backed away.

Also, how did Shadynasty make you think of Aussie? Lol
Brayn
Season Ticket Holder
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Birmingham, AL
Joined: 03.11.2010

Sep 17 @ 8:09 PM ET
@Tojo:

Is it pronounced Toe-Joe or Toe-Hoe? Inquiring minds would like to know...
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Sep 17 @ 8:10 PM ET
My guess is he just backed away.
- Rinosaur


Thanks Rino. Just remember that he had -for even his standards- a feisty twist (with a mod here), and bans of several years seem to be not too uncommon...

Also, how did Shadynasty make you think of Aussie?
- Rinosaur


(the suffix! )
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Sep 17 @ 8:10 PM ET
He should have one it last year to be honest.
- j.boyd919


I wouldn't argue against that, but I think the people with votes would probably require the player kill penalties to be considered.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 17 @ 8:12 PM ET
Thanks Rino. Just remember that he had -for even his standards- a feisty twist (with a mod here), and bans of several years seem to be not to uncommon...
- VeryModernMan


Ah, I wasn’t aware of that. I’ve only had a couple of daily bans.

For all we know someone here is an alt.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Sep 17 @ 8:12 PM ET
Sid will blocked every shot he can, blocked shots are one of the most noble thing a hockey player can do. I just don’t want Sid doing it.
- Grinder47


Sid's blocked alot of shots in his career, I think he is pretty good at it cant think of one injury he's sustained blocking a shot.... well unless you count that Orpik one he blocked with his jaw
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 17 @ 8:51 PM ET
Im not adverse to Crosby killing penalties, alot of the other top players around the league do it. I understand from a preventing injury stand point, but I think a Selke would look good in Crosby's trophy case.

Bjugstad is the obvious choice though.

- stackthepads

I'm actually for limiting the minutes of the older players, even Letang, a little during the regular season to keep them fresh. (Might as well use that depth). So keeping Sid away from hard PK minutes is probably best.

Really wish we had another good FO guy though because that's an easy way to kill some time against the top opposing PP.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 17 @ 8:52 PM ET
@Tojo:

Is it pronounced Toe-Joe or Toe-Hoe? Inquiring minds would like to know...

- Brayn

Toe-Joe
willi
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Canada
Joined: 01.30.2015

Sep 17 @ 9:01 PM ET
Sid's blocked alot of shots in his career, I think he is pretty good at it cant think of one injury he's sustained blocking a shot.... well unless you count that Orpik one he blocked with his jaw
- stackthepads


If Sid is going the play 20 minutes a night I'd rather those 20 minutes be at regular strength and on the PP. But if it's a game where the Pens are constantly in penalty trouble then sure give him some PK minutes to keep him active in the game.
Brayn
Season Ticket Holder
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Birmingham, AL
Joined: 03.11.2010

Sep 17 @ 9:03 PM ET
I'm actually for limiting the minutes of the older players, even Letang, a little during the regular season to keep them fresh. (Might as well use that depth). So keeping Sid away from hard PK minutes is probably best.

Really wish we had another good FO guy though because that's an easy way to kill some time against the top opposing PP.

- Tojo.



I would agree with this. Unfortunately, it appears that the players do not. If I recall, Malkin is wanting like 20 mins a night.
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