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nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Sep 16 @ 6:42 AM ET
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nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Sep 16 @ 6:45 AM ET
Hey look another moron franchise handing out a short term deal at great value.

Bob McKenzie
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Charlie McAvoy has agreed to terms with BOS. Three-year deal, $4.9M AAV. Very similar to Zach Werenski’s three-year, $5M AAV deal with CBJ. McAvoy could make up the $300K difference because his Year 3 salary, and Qualifying Offer base, is $7.3M, $300K more than Werenski’s.

- PLindbergh31



thats what happens when you buy up a few years of UFA. both werenski and McAvoy's contract expire one year from UFA status. i personally am good with it and believe me i am not sold on Fletcher yet
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 8:06 AM ET
And who was he playing with.
- Peter Richards



Who was he playing with?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 8:08 AM ET
And would not place him above Kopitar doughty quick staal brindamor as main cog examples.
- Peter Richards



Hockey is a team sport. Is there a limit to how many main cogs there are on a team? Certainly more than 2 or 3 on a Cup team. You're grasping at straws.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 8:10 AM ET
Sorry bill but totally disagree with your logic here. Pavel is correct. Here’s why your theory of buying ufa is wrong...
First off, using YOUR example of bridge deal(which is always the correct way to go except in 1 case which I’ll explain later) if you look at the bridge deals of others and take into account the qf year that gets tack on and yes it usually brings them to fa, they’re CAP HIT is always lower than it should be. Example 5 Werenski cap hit over the 4 years will be roughly 5.5 mil over the 4 years. If he progresses at current pace or close to it yes he will be on line for a huge deal. But that’s a good thing. He’d be getting a huge raise anyways in that scenario. And bj will be glad in that case to pay it. If his value goes up to we will say 10 mil a year that’s what he’s gonna get. No one is gonna way overpay to get him. Yes maybe a little bit not outrageous. Example is Hayes contract. Did we overpay a little? Most would say yes. But was the overpay so outrageous ? Maybe 500k a year. Maybe 1mil? A year? Times that by the 7 years he got. What’s that equal? 3.5-7 mil total....
Now take provys deal....he by no means earned that contract. We overplayed him to “buy” a few years of fa. And if he outplays the last few years of the contract then he’s gonna feel and ask for more than he’s worth to make up for it. So flyers will also have to overpay to keep him. So they kinda equal out in the end except in provy case the CAP HIT is higher and you take more risk that the player doesn’t live up to the contract for the term (6years) and you never reap benefits of “deal” in the later few years.
The only exception to is when the case comes up where player comes off elc and signs 2 year deal and after their 2nd contract they still have a few years before fa and they sign max term deal and team might overpay toward end but save early to lower cap hit. It only works because player age after 5 years plus new max contract basically spent all his prime years with that team.
Example: Werenski elc(which is standard) 3 mil 3 years. Bridge deal(we will even assume he’s qualified4th year) 4 years 22 mil. Assume he progresses into top 10 dman in league or close to it and gets huge 6 year 60 mil contract that total 13 years 85 mil. Provy (because no bridge) example elc 3 years 3 mil 2nd contract 6 years 40mil. Now he has 9 years in league... what’s his 3rd contract gonna be? He’ll be 27-28 years old? Say he progresses like Werenski example. He’d be a few years older but still young enough to commit 5 year deal ( like jvr term) at 10 mil a year so totals for provy 14 years 93 mil. So the risk is clearly in teams favor to bridge both against player not living up to contract and also not trending downwards as they age at end of prime years.

- SMS4016


Your post here is incoherent not to mention filled with inaccuracies and numerous inconsistencies.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 16 @ 8:10 AM ET
thats what happens when you buy up a few years of UFA. both werenski and McAvoy's contract expire one year from UFA status. i personally am good with it and believe me i am not sold on Fletcher yet
- nastyflyergirl


McAvoy's expires 2 years before UFA status I believe.
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