Torontonians are an offesect of Canadian culture.

All over this country, people are different. Most places Canadians carry a nonchalant persona, but in Toronto you’re not important until Drake texts you. Toronto is desperate for attention from America. It’s clearly a better city than its nearby American counterparts, run down rust belt areas. So it’s always like “look at us - we should have an nfl team - we do well in world ranking polls - there’s so many people and things to do here, we’re basically as cool as NYC”
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Sounds like something that someone who's not from Toronto would say.

99% of Torontonians go about their daily lives without giving these things consideration.

Come visit sometime, maybe you'd like it.

You've made this point before. I have to say that I mildly disagree with it, but I also agree with it. If it was after one suspension, then no . . . but two. In back-to-back years. Especially when he was in that 3rd line centre position that we were hoping would help tip the balance. That's a tough pill to swallow.

He's talented, and a good player.

I like the trade, though. Even if Barrie is just Jake Gardiner 2.0 but not injured, it's a good move. It gives us right-side options. It gives us 2 D pairings. It helps. Kerfoot may not be as good as Kadri, but in 3rd line minutes against 3rd line competition, he's probably going to be close to equivalent.

Besides, I think I'm in the minority here, but while I did like Kadri, that guy would fall over in a stiff breeze. It drove me nuts watching him flop everywhere. If he's trying to draw a penalty - stop. No one cares anymore. Otherwise, get new skates. Get trainers. Just. Stop. Falling. Down.
- Monkeypunk

Pre 2016 sure... Naz hasn’t played like that in awhile. There was that season where he flopped a lot, then the refs caught on and punished him every shift, lol.. hasn’t been like that since.

Losing Kadri hurt because Leafs have no one with jam now. Maybe if Wilson/Agostino/Marchment play they can play that roll. But for the first time in Leafs history, they have no one who’ll fight. It’s kinda sad.

You've made this point before. I have to say that I mildly disagree with it, but I also agree with it. If it was after one suspension, then no . . . but two. In back-to-back years. Especially when he was in that 3rd line centre position that we were hoping would help tip the balance. That's a tough pill to swallow.

He's talented, and a good player.

I like the trade, though. Even if Barrie is just Jake Gardiner 2.0 but not injured, it's a good move. It gives us right-side options. It gives us 2 D pairings. It helps. Kerfoot may not be as good as Kadri, but in 3rd line minutes against 3rd line competition, he's probably going to be close to equivalent.

Besides, I think I'm in the minority here, but while I did like Kadri, that guy would fall over in a stiff breeze. It drove me nuts watching him flop everywhere. If he's trying to draw a penalty - stop. No one cares anymore. Otherwise, get new skates. Get trainers. Just. Stop. Falling. Down.
- Monkeypunk

I like the trade, Barrie and Kerfoot provide what we need.. After the 1st suspension, I was defending Kadri. After the 2nd suspension in the playoffs, I was done. We really needed him, and it showed. It caused a ripple effect... Instead of having Matthews and Nylander together, we had to watch Nylander play with Brown and Marleau..

I appreciate Kadri's career as a Leaf, but he had to go.

You should keep your good booze somewhere else, and keep already watered down stuff where they will steal it. Preemptive parenting (mine are 11 and 9, so I'm not there yet)!

The funny thing though is that kids aren't going to drink good beer. It's expensive. You go in and buy the cheapest stuff you can find. I remember when I was 19 getting wine. My decision was based on highest alcohol content for volume of wine. It was vile, but it worked.
- Monkeypunk

Good advice. I'm thinking that I buy low alcohol beer or coors light, store it in the garage fridge (easy to steal) and switch the labels. The placebo effect will let them carry on like they're drunk.

My oldest is 16 and I think he's more inclined to smoke weed. I quietly approve. Just need to keep him away from the vaping and hard stuff.

If this is all correct then the leverage favours the Leafs.

Offer sheets opportunities are virtually nil and if one came the Leafs can match now, later, no difference.

The only leverage for MM is a full season hold out.

All other negotiating points seem to create leverage for the Leafs. Dubas just needs to hold firm with his 'take it or leave it' numbers which will be dwindling with each day that passes after Oct 2.
- The Law

How is holding out even leverage? I kind of get that he can use it against the Leafs not having one of their best players for the season but it’s also leverage for the Leafs in the sense that I guess you’re not playing in the nhl this season. Holding out all season isn’t good for anyone. If Marners goal is to completely maximize career earnings which it appears it is, holding out and leaving 11 million on the table he won’t make back isn’t very smart, to go along with the fact he will tarnish his imagine in the city as far as endorsements etc go.

According to CapFriendly there is a difference. Using Nylander as the example his inflated cap hit was 10.3 but his total daily AAV that was calculated as part of the Leafs annual cap hit was about 7 (10.3 prorated down b/c he was only active for ~70% of the season). If the Leafs were in LTIR (like they are this year) then the rules surrounding the use of LTIR change the dynamic. With Nylander each day he sat the team was accruing cap space (ie. 2 milly in Oct ...was now 3 milly in Dec). The Leafs won't be accruing any cap space this year b/c they'll be over budget and dipping into the LTIR.

That, I believe, is what the Capfriendly note seemed to suggest.

CJ said something similar on S.N. too.

"The nuances of the salary cap simply won’t allow it. This season the Leafs are a team that will use the long-term injury (LTI) provision from start to finish, which means that they won’t accrue additional cap space with each passing day like they did last year while letting 60 days pass before signing Nylander."

Final note ....CJ makes an interesting thought ...Leafs/MM could actually use the offer sheet route to circumvent the system if they were to come to a deal into the season. Not sure why a team would help them but in theory Leafs/MM could avoid the 1st yr bump by having a team OS Marner and the Leafs matching.
- The Law

so i think as an example for this year:

if the leafs had $10M in actual cap space on Oct 1, it becomes ~$13M in November. If Marner signs a $10M deal in November, it gets prorated to ~$13M for year 1. Prevents you from using the extra $3M in space that you gained.

But with LTIR, $10M on Oct 1 is still $10M in November. A prorated salary of $13M won't work.

Good advice. I'm thinking that I buy low alcohol beer or coors light, store it in the garage fridge (easy to steal) and switch the labels. The placebo effect will let them carry on like they're drunk.

My oldest is 16 and I think he's more inclined to smoke weed. I quietly approve. Just need to keep him away from the vaping and hard stuff.
- The Law

Most of the people that I grew up with that smoked weed did so all the time, at school etc.

I think moderation, and the idea that there's a time and a place for everything, is one of the more important values that would have been imparted on me and my friends when I was young.

Sounds like something that someone who's not from Toronto would say.

99% of Torontonians go about their daily lives without giving these things consideration.

Come visit sometime, maybe you'd like it.
- TheMussel

I’m an 1.5 hours north of you, lol..

I’ve been there a bajillion times. I live 5kms from Younge St. I basically live in Toronto hahah, especially on long weekends the traffic is basically the same. Hwy was gridlock from Bracebridge south to TO on labour day weekend. So many of you (frank)ers come up here in the summer. I’m just poking fun at you guys because it’s easy and it annoys you.

I’m an 1.5 hours north of you, lol..

I’ve been there a bajillion times. I live 5kms from Younge St. I basically live in Toronto hahah, especially on long weekends the traffic is basically the same. Hwy was gridlock from Bracebridge south to TO on labour day weekend. So many of you (frank)ers come up here in the summer. I’m just poking fun at you guys because it’s easy and it annoys you.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Admirable.

Torontonians are an offesect of Canadian culture.

All over this country, people are different. Most places Canadians carry a nonchalant persona, but in Toronto you’re not important until Drake texts you. Toronto is desperate for attention from America. It’s clearly a better city than its nearby American counterparts, run down rust belt areas. So it’s always like “look at us - we should have an nfl team - we do well in world ranking polls - there’s so many people and things to do here, we’re basically as cool as NYC”
- Arctic_AARDVARK

My measuring stick for a city is "personal visits by Kardashians". I think that's a realistic accounting of a City's value to the universe.

I’m an 1.5 hours north of you, lol..

I’ve been there a bajillion times. I live 5kms from Younge St. I basically live in Toronto hahah, especially on long weekends the traffic is basically the same. Hwy was gridlock from Bracebridge south to TO on labour day weekend. So many of you (frank)ers come up here in the summer. I’m just poking fun at you guys because it’s easy and it annoys you.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Admirable.
- TheMussel

Typical Toronto sass..

Typical Toronto sass..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I guess I just have a low tolerance for bs

How is holding out even leverage? I kind of get that he can use it against the Leafs not having one of their best players for the season but it’s also leverage for the Leafs in the sense that I guess you’re not playing in the nhl this season. Holding out all season isn’t good for anyone. If Marners goal is to completely maximize career earnings which it appears it is, holding out and leaving 11 million on the table he won’t make back isn’t very smart, to go along with the fact he will tarnish his imagine in the city as far as endorsements etc go.
- ClarksonDavid

No pay is leverage for the Leafs but not having one of your best on the ice all year is leverage for Marner. It works both ways. Leafs are in the window to win ...missing Marner all year and not being able to trade him for similar assets would equate to a lost season IMO.

Most of the people that I grew up with that smoked weed did so all the time, at school etc.

I think moderation, and the idea that there's a time and a place for everything, is one of the more important values that would have been imparted on me and my friends when I was young.
- TheMussel

Yup, agreed. I'm trying ....and hoping that he's listening.

My measuring stick for a city is "personal visits by Kardashians". I think that's a realistic accounting of a City's value to the universe.
- The Law

That’s super important.

Connections to figureheads in American culture is what it’s all about. Drake isn’t American, but Torontonians treat him like a god because he’s popular in the US.

link to the Marner contract predictions?

- PatC80

Hahaha

I love how Mississauga thinks it isn’t Toronto sometimes. It’s cute.

Hahaha

I love how Mississauga thinks it’s isnt Toronto sometimes. It’s cute.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Greater Toronto Area, bltches!!

Hahaha

I love how Mississauga thinks it’s isnt Toronto sometimes. It’s cute.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Toronto conveniently appropriates Mississauga when it's convenient too.

"Tavares is coming home"

Hahaha

I love how Mississauga thinks it isn’t Toronto sometimes. It’s cute.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Its the gta.
But the miss doesn't believe its TO

Toronto conveniently appropriates Mississauga when it's convenient too.

"Tavares is coming home"
- TheMussel

Oh for sure.. Is there anyone cool who actually from Toronto-Toronto, not a suburb?

Me out west.

Westerner: Where ya from.

Me: Ontario

W: Oh Tranna, huh?

Me: North Bay area.

W: *confused look*

Me: North of Toronto

W: Ohh so Tranna!

5x11.66 Just get it done Doobie.

According to CapFriendly there is a difference. Using Nylander as the example his inflated cap hit was 10.3 but his total daily AAV that was calculated as part of the Leafs annual cap hit was about 7 (10.3 prorated down b/c he was only active for ~70% of the season). If the Leafs were in LTIR (like they are this year) then the rules surrounding the use of LTIR change the dynamic. With Nylander each day he sat the team was accruing cap space (ie. 2 milly in Oct ...was now 3 milly in Dec). The Leafs won't be accruing any cap space this year b/c they'll be over budget and dipping into the LTIR.

That, I believe, is what the Capfriendly note seemed to suggest.

CJ said something similar on S.N. too.

"The nuances of the salary cap simply won’t allow it. This season the Leafs are a team that will use the long-term injury (LTI) provision from start to finish, which means that they won’t accrue additional cap space with each passing day like they did last year while letting 60 days pass before signing Nylander."

Final note ....CJ makes an interesting thought ...Leafs/MM could actually use the offer sheet route to circumvent the system if they were to come to a deal into the season. Not sure why a team would help them but in theory Leafs/MM could avoid the 1st yr bump by having a team OS Marner and the Leafs matching.
- The Law

Thank you.

I think I realized my confusion. It's the blend of cap space coupled with LTIR relief that causes the problem. Last year, every day we basically accrued $73k daily in cap space from unused expenditure.

This year, until Marner signs, we accrue only a small amount of LTIR relief. For instance, we're at an active salary of about $70m before Marner with $13m of applicable LTIR. LTIR accrual on that is basically your amount over the cap ($1.5m, which is $8k/day. So there is not a significant amount of accrual.

Without putting too much thought into it, we'd technically be better off acquiring more dead contracts to throw into LTIR at this point.

so i think as an example for this year:

if the leafs had $10M in actual cap space on Oct 1, it becomes ~$13M in November. If Marner signs a $10M deal in November, it gets prorated to ~$13M for year 1. Prevents you from using the extra $3M in space that you gained.

But with LTIR, $10M on Oct 1 is still $10M in November. A prorated salary of $13M won't work.
- Tumbleweed

Right. Contextually it makes sense. Thanks.