I honestly don't have a favourite beer.

I go to a pub.

I look at the beer menu.

I order something.

I usually like it.

God bless RJ and his hobby of mailing beers around North America, but I'm really fine just ordering something and then drinking it.

Truth is, every bar now has something good on tap.
- Atomic Wedgie

There's so much good beer now ...so much. My kids are hitting that underage drinking stage of their lives and I was thinking these little (frank)s should have to endure the years of Molson Dry, Labatt Crystal and Old Milwaukee like I had to so that they can really appreciate the beer we have now.

So question for all of you on a Friday morning:

Pretend that Mitchy signs today - at a semi-reasonable rate. One where the fans are happy, the Leafs are happy, everyone is forgiven.

If you are the head of marketing for the XYZ Company, do you want Marnsie or Mattsie as your spokesperson?

I'm kinda leaning towards Marnsie. Local kid. Boyish charm. Maybe a little bit more personality.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don’t really think it matters.

Marner is friends with Max Domi, so no.

So question for all of you on a Friday morning:

Pretend that Mitchy signs today - at a semi-reasonable rate. One where the fans are happy, the Leafs are happy, everyone is forgiven.

If you are the head of marketing for the XYZ Company, do you want Marnsie or Mattsie as your spokesperson?

I'm kinda leaning towards Marnsie. Local kid. Boyish charm. Maybe a little bit more personality.
- Atomic Wedgie

Mattsie.

See if the Leafs can become known in the US of A

So question for all of you on a Friday morning:

Pretend that Mitchy signs today - at a semi-reasonable rate. One where the fans are happy, the Leafs are happy, everyone is forgiven.

If you are the head of marketing for the XYZ Company, do you want Marnsie or Mattsie as your spokesperson?

I'm kinda leaning towards Marnsie. Local kid. Boyish charm. Maybe a little bit more personality.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think it might depend on the term. If he locked in to a 6+ yr deal and the PR spin went green they'd be lined up for his autograph. In fact I'd imagine part of the negotiation includes the sponsorship opportunities.

I honestly don't have a favourite beer.

I go to a pub.

I look at the beer menu.

I order something.

I usually like it.

God bless RJ and his hobby of mailing beers around North America, but I'm really fine just ordering something and then drinking it.

Truth is, every bar now has something good on tap.
- Atomic Wedgie

Well....not every bar
I came across a pub in the junction 15 years ago that only had 3 beers on tap
Labatt 50
Moldon ex
Ov.

I was horrified cause like you, i usually find a decent beer to drink at a pub.

he was good value, but Barrie @ 2.75mil is even better
- senstroll

paying peanuts for barrie is huge if we are loading up for the cup this year.


really seems like dubas traded kadri at peak value .... long-term, kerfoot might actually be the better value 3C.

Mattsie.

See if the Leafs can become known in the US of A
- walshyleafsfan

What is it with Torontonians trying so desperately to be noticed in America?

Did the Americans see our parade!?!? Did they?!? Maybe if we win a cup with an American captain they’ll think we’re cool?

tOroNtO iS dA bEst CIty iN Da wOrLD!

What is it with Torontonians trying so desperately to be noticed in America?

Did the Americans see our parade!?!? Did they?!? Maybe if we win a cup with an American captain they’ll think we’re cool?

tOroNtO iS dA bEst CIty iN Da wOrLD!
- Arctic_AARDVARK

This seems like a gross overgeneralization

that's how i read mirtle's article.

interesting on the offer sheet - it doesn't get prorated to us if he it signs one mid-season that we match.

not that you plan for it - but with gm's like bergevin pulling bergevins; it's not 100% out of the question.
- Tumbleweed

If this is all correct then the leverage favours the Leafs.

Offer sheets opportunities are virtually nil and if one came the Leafs can match now, later, no difference.

The only leverage for MM is a full season hold out.

All other negotiating points seem to create leverage for the Leafs. Dubas just needs to hold firm with his 'take it or leave it' numbers which will be dwindling with each day that passes after Oct 2.

that's how i read mirtle's article.

interesting on the offer sheet - it doesn't get prorated to us if he it signs one mid-season that we match.

not that you plan for it - but with gm's like bergevin pulling bergevins; it's not 100% out of the question.
- Tumbleweed

and

The Capfriendly post from last night seemed to suggest the difference was that non-ltir cap hit (eg. nylander's 10.3) would be prorated to the portion of the season that he was on the active roster. So 10.3 was his "full season" cap hit but his actual cap hit for the days he was active was prorated down to 7ish.

If the Leafs are using LTIR then the article suggests that the inflated first year number will not get prorated. So if they had done that last year Nylander's full 10.3 would have counted regardless of when he actually became active.

Incorrect?
- The Law

Maybe I'm dense, but I've read the article, and I'm not entirely sure I'm gleaning why there's a variation.

Last year they weren't at the cap ceiling, and they had a fair amount of cap space. This cap space accrues on a daily basis because it's not being used, but really it's the same thing as saying, "I'm at 90% capacity, and I have room for 10% more capacity.". You sign Nylander, and his contract takes up x% of that capacity. The proration of his contract is an aspect of the contract structure, not the cap calculation (in that the yearly AAV for the contract is calculated and applied to the cap; the fact that the AAV is prorated is its own rule).

This year, they are at the cap ceiling - and in fact in excess of it, so they can place Hyman, Dermott, Clarkson, and Horton's contracts on LTIR. For each day that these contracts on on LTIR, there is LTIR cap relief. So it's basically the same as saying, "I'm at 100% capacity, but I am able to apply for 10% capacity relief.".

The difference is that last year, they could have also applied LTIR if they needed to that gave them additional flexibility. This year there is no additional flexibility because every dollar the Marner contract takes is eating away at their in-year flexibility.

I didn't catch that the LEAFS signing Marner would change the proration of a contract; if someone else tries to offer sheet him, then the proration is not in effect.

I honestly don't have a favourite beer.

I go to a pub.

I look at the beer menu.

I order something.

I usually like it.

God bless RJ and his hobby of mailing beers around North America, but I'm really fine just ordering something and then drinking it.

Truth is, every bar now has something good on tap.
- Atomic Wedgie

SPA isn't my favourite beer but this is the only place I've been to so far that has it on tap outside of Guelph, so it's nice to have that option.

What is it with Torontonians trying so desperately to be noticed in America?

Did the Americans see our parade!?!? Did they?!? Maybe if we win a cup with an American captain they’ll think we’re cool?

tOroNtO iS dA bEst CIty iN Da wOrLD!
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I think it's that Torontonians like the thought of being recognized globally ..not just in 'merca.

More Torontonians are visible minorities now than are not. Toronto is about as international a city as you will find. It just is what it is. It's pretty awesome.

What is it with Torontonians trying so desperately to be noticed in America?

Did the Americans see our parade!?!? Did they?!? Maybe if we win a cup with an American captain they’ll think we’re cool?

tOroNtO iS dA bEst CIty iN Da wOrLD!
- Arctic_AARDVARK

We'd get the chance to sign some great US free agents like Komisarek, Jason Blake and Jeff Finger if we become known there. At the moment, we're limited to Ontario, who as you know, struggle to entice people into trying hockey out

Well....not every bar
I came across a pub in the junction 15 years ago that only had 3 beers on tap
Labatt 50
Moldon ex
Ov.

I was horrified cause like you, i usually find a decent beer to drink at a pub.
- Fakepartofme

Is it wrong that I like Fitty and Ex?

I'll pass on the OV - tell them to get Molson Stock Ale on the tap.

There's so much good beer now ...so much. My kids are hitting that underage drinking stage of their lives and I was thinking these little (frank)s should have to endure the years of Molson Dry, Labatt Crystal and Old Milwaukee like I had to so that they can really appreciate the beer we have now.
- The Law

You should keep your good booze somewhere else, and keep already watered down stuff where they will steal it. Preemptive parenting (mine are 11 and 9, so I'm not there yet)!

The funny thing though is that kids aren't going to drink good beer. It's expensive. You go in and buy the cheapest stuff you can find. I remember when I was 19 getting wine. My decision was based on highest alcohol content for volume of wine. It was vile, but it worked.

paying peanuts for barrie is huge if we are loading up for the cup this year.


really seems like dubas traded kadri at peak value .... long-term, kerfoot might actually be the better value 3C.
- Tumbleweed

Personally, I think Kadri had to go, even if his value was diminished.
That dude was responsible for our series loss against the Bruins last season, and his suspension the playoffs the season before was stupid as well.

There's so much good beer now ...so much. My kids are hitting that underage drinking stage of their lives and I was thinking these little (frank)s should have to endure the years of Molson Dry, Labatt Crystal and Old Milwaukee like I had to so that they can really appreciate the beer we have now.
- The Law

It's a miracle that I like beer, because my first exposure to it was drinking warm Brador in a ravine.

You should keep your good booze somewhere else, and keep already watered down stuff where they will steal it. Preemptive parenting (mine are 11 and 9, so I'm not there yet)!

The funny thing though is that kids aren't going to drink good beer. It's expensive. You go in and buy the cheapest stuff you can find. I remember when I was 19 getting wine. My decision was based on highest alcohol content for volume of wine. It was vile, but it worked.
- Monkeypunk

For me it was beer more than wine. So, it was a nice, cold bottle of Colt 45. It would work wonders.

For me it was beer more than wine. So, it was a nice, cold bottle of Colt 45. It would work wonders.
- PatC80

Labatt Max Ice


Excuse me I have to go puke

This seems like a gross overgeneralization
- TheMussel

Torontonians are an offesect of Canadian culture.

All over this country, people are different. Most places Canadians carry a nonchalant persona, but in Toronto you’re not important until Drake texts you. Toronto is desperate for attention from America. It’s clearly a better city than its nearby American counterparts, run down rust belt areas. So it’s always like “look at us - we should have an nfl team - we do well in world ranking polls - there’s so many people and things to do here, we’re basically as cool as NYC”

Dont worry Dreger is on the case. He has the most up to date info.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
As has been the case throughout this process, the Leafs and Marner’s agent, Darren Ferris continue to talk. Negotiation is now at a pivotal point. A deal could get done quickly (this week). However, if progress stalls it could drag into October.

Marner might sign this week, or he might not.

Personally, I think Kadri had to go, even if his value was diminished.
That dude was responsible for our series loss against the Bruins last season, and his suspension the playoffs the season before was stupid as well.
- PatC80

You've made this point before. I have to say that I mildly disagree with it, but I also agree with it. If it was after one suspension, then no . . . but two. In back-to-back years. Especially when he was in that 3rd line centre position that we were hoping would help tip the balance. That's a tough pill to swallow.

He's talented, and a good player.

I like the trade, though. Even if Barrie is just Jake Gardiner 2.0 but not injured, it's a good move. It gives us right-side options. It gives us 2 D pairings. It helps. Kerfoot may not be as good as Kadri, but in 3rd line minutes against 3rd line competition, he's probably going to be close to equivalent.

Besides, I think I'm in the minority here, but while I did like Kadri, that guy would fall over in a stiff breeze. It drove me nuts watching him flop everywhere. If he's trying to draw a penalty - stop. No one cares anymore. Otherwise, get new skates. Get trainers. Just. Stop. Falling. Down.

Labatt Max Ice


Excuse me I have to go puke
- TheMussel

and



Maybe I'm dense, but I've read the article, and I'm not entirely sure I'm gleaning why there's a variation.

Last year they weren't at the cap ceiling, and they had a fair amount of cap space. This cap space accrues on a daily basis because it's not being used, but really it's the same thing as saying, "I'm at 90% capacity, and I have room for 10% more capacity.". You sign Nylander, and his contract takes up x% of that capacity. The proration of his contract is an aspect of the contract structure, not the cap calculation (in that the yearly AAV for the contract is calculated and applied to the cap; the fact that the AAV is prorated is its own rule).

This year, they are at the cap ceiling - and in fact in excess of it, so they can place Hyman, Dermott, Clarkson, and Horton's contracts on LTIR. For each day that these contracts on on LTIR, there is LTIR cap relief. So it's basically the same as saying, "I'm at 100% capacity, but I am able to apply for 10% capacity relief.".

The difference is that last year, they could have also applied LTIR if they needed to that gave them additional flexibility. This year there is no additional flexibility because every dollar the Marner contract takes is eating away at their in-year flexibility.

I didn't catch that the LEAFS signing Marner would change the proration of a contract; if someone else tries to offer sheet him, then the proration is not in effect.
- Monkeypunk

According to CapFriendly there is a difference. Using Nylander as the example his inflated cap hit was 10.3 but his total daily AAV that was calculated as part of the Leafs annual cap hit was about 7 (10.3 prorated down b/c he was only active for ~70% of the season). If the Leafs were in LTIR (like they are this year) then the rules surrounding the use of LTIR change the dynamic. With Nylander each day he sat the team was accruing cap space (ie. 2 milly in Oct ...was now 3 milly in Dec). The Leafs won't be accruing any cap space this year b/c they'll be over budget and dipping into the LTIR.

That, I believe, is what the Capfriendly note seemed to suggest.

CJ said something similar on S.N. too.

"The nuances of the salary cap simply won’t allow it. This season the Leafs are a team that will use the long-term injury (LTI) provision from start to finish, which means that they won’t accrue additional cap space with each passing day like they did last year while letting 60 days pass before signing Nylander."

Final note ....CJ makes an interesting thought ...Leafs/MM could actually use the offer sheet route to circumvent the system if they were to come to a deal into the season. Not sure why a team would help them but in theory Leafs/MM could avoid the 1st yr bump by having a team OS Marner and the Leafs matching.

Dont worry Dreger is on the case. He has the most up to date info.


Marner might sign this week, or he might not.
- senstroll

basically, marner is getting ready to sign one of the deals offered to him in june.