Only thing going forward from this fiasco I would say is if it comes down to getting a client of this agents, or another who is about equal and the same, you boycott that agent and take the other guy who is reasonable to deal with. Guy pulls this overseas holdout card every time and well not like it really worked well with Detroit. Screw that guy and cut him out, watch how fast the players take matters into their own hands and guy winds up out.

Too bad it was to pay his agent and buy a car for his dad.....
- Scabeh

Kid is looking very bad right now.

I am not a Leafs fan - so I really don't care, but Marner declining a 7 or 8 year 11 mil contract!! That is beyond ludicrous. I say let the little puke rot while he sits out. I know the Leafs want him/need him in their line up, but at what cost? You guys won't be able to ice a Stanley Cup team with him getting 20%ish of the cap.

Trade him for the boat load of assets that he would invariably bring, and move on. In the long run the team will be way better off than keeping that selfish of a player in the locker room. The Leafs are stacked talent wise even without Marner. Get rid of him for some A+ talent that can play now - plus draft picks and become a better team because of it.

I am thinking Doughty plus L.A.'s first and a 4th in 2020 for Marner. Would that fly in Leaf land & Kings land?
- hags11

People will dismiss this out of hand (30 year old for 22 year old), but doughty still has many years as a legit 1st pair talent, cost controlled. And could be the piece that pushes the leafs from pretender to contender. The 1st could be unprotected. The risk of course, is doughty declines quicker than expected while marner wins the art ross

2 weeks from now.
The pre season games are useless.

Lol
- Fakepartofme

our little willie could've used some preseason action last year...

You know hes scored more goals the past two seasons than willie his first two (but willie is a great scorer).
Oh and has led the team in pts for two years
Only leaf player to break 90pts in a season in s decade or so.
Hes asking for too much sure, but lets not get carried away.
- Fakepartofme

agree, we want to rip on him cause he doesn't score? whatever happened to 'an assist is as valuable as a goal'. Cause you know...the goal doesn't happen without the assist

You know hes scored more goals the past two seasons than willie his first two (but willie is a great scorer).
Oh and has led the team in pts for two years
Only leaf player to break 90pts in a season in s decade or so.
Hes asking for too much sure, but lets not get carried away.
- Fakepartofme

Why are you comparing Nylander ?

He’s asking for over 5 million more than Nylander, I have zero clue why you decided to bring him into this.

People will dismiss this out of hand (30 year old for 22 year old), but doughty still has many years as a legit 1st pair talent, cost controlled. And could be the piece that pushes the leafs from pretender to contender. The 1st could be unprotected. The risk of course, is doughty declines quicker than expected while marner wins the art ross
- BestRapperAlive

Doughty had a very undoughty like year last year. I wonder if he was just off, if it was the team, or if he's starting to decline. This year will tell us a lot about what he's got left in the tank.

Why are you comparing Nylander ?

He’s asking for over 5 million more than Nylander, I have zero clue why you decided to bring him into this.
- Santo_44

you're bashing a guy over a few media reports from guys that want to provide 'insight' in something they don't have any clue about.
I would at least hope that Dubas is not sharing information on contract negotiations with reporters.
But if that would be the case, the likelyhood of Marner getting traded is relatively high ('preparing the fans').
Would be a horror scenario for Leafs to hold onto Nylander and trade Marner.

Why are you comparing Nylander ?

He’s asking for over 5 million more than Nylander, I have zero clue why you decided to bring him into this.
- Santo_44

Cause you always bring willie into it, i called you out on it yesterday.
But in this case its funny, youve called willie a scorer in the past and now youre ssying marner "barely scores". He scored 22 and 26 the past 2 seasons. More than willie has ever scored.
I get it, youre frustrated, angry like a bunch of leaf fans are. But saying he barely scores is just foolish.
Hes no mattews at scoring, but alot arent. And matthews doesnt produce assist like marner.

The kid will sign, if he doesnt he sits or is traded. Its all good.

Why are you comparing Nylander ?

He’s asking for over 5 million more than Nylander, I have zero clue why you decided to bring him into this.
- Santo_44

I don't get it either.

Maybe trying to justify the stunt that Marner is pulling this year, because we went thru a holdout last year?

I don't get it either.

Maybe trying to justify the stunt that Marner is pulling this year, because we went thru a holdout last year?
- PatC80

Cause saying marner barely scores while in the past hes called willie a scorer while marner has scored more in a season. Is a bit foolish.

We all agree if marner wants matthews money that its simply too much.

you're bashing a guy over a few media reports from guys that want to provide 'insight' in something they don't have any clue about.
I would at least hope that Dubas is not sharing information on contract negotiations with reporters.
But if that would be the case, the likelyhood of Marner getting traded is relatively high ('preparing the fans').
Would be a horror scenario for Leafs to hold onto Nylander and trade Marner.
- MaximusAurelius

I don't know, but I do think that Bob MacKenzie is more trustworthy than the "average insider"

I am not a Leafs fan - so I really don't care, but Marner declining a 7 or 8 year 11 mil contract!! That is beyond ludicrous. I say let the little puke rot while he sits out. I know the Leafs want him/need him in their line up, but at what cost? You guys won't be able to ice a Stanley Cup team with him getting 20%ish of the cap.

Trade him for the boat load of assets that he would invariably bring, and move on. In the long run the team will be way better off than keeping that selfish of a player in the locker room. The Leafs are stacked talent wise even without Marner. Get rid of him for some A+ talent that can play now - plus draft picks and become a better team because of it.

I am thinking Doughty plus L.A.'s first and a 4th in 2020 for Marner. Would that fly in Leaf land & Kings land?
- hags11

Unfortunately, who knows what he would fetch in trade if those are his demands... OR are those only his demands because of Matthews being on the same team. If he no longer has Matthews on his team does he start considering the other comparables a little more? It sounds ridiculous, but it also sounds like he has completely lost touch with reality if the reports can be believed, so who knows.

Ultimately, It is going to be a horrible 3 year deal for the Leafs AND we will deal with all this BS again in a couple years.

Cause saying marner barely scores while in the past hes called willie a scorer while marner has scored more in a season. Is a bit foolish.
- Fakepartofme

You can say Marner barely scores, because he's not known as a 'shoot-first' player.

Truth is, you can't compare him to Nylander because he wants almost $5M more per year than what Willy gets.

Marner averages what 23 goals a year?
Nylander averages like, 22 goals per year?

(Too lazy to look it up)

I don't think Marner is $5M per year better than Nylander

Unfortunately, who knows what he would fetch in trade if those are his demands... OR are those only his demands because of Matthews being on the same team. If he no longer has Matthews on his team does he start considering the other comparables a little more? It sounds ridiculous, but it also sounds like he has completely lost touch with reality if the reports can be believed, so who knows.

Ultimately, It is going to be a horrible 3 year deal for the Leafs AND we will deal with all this BS again in a couple years.
- Aetherial

Lots of time still left before oct 2nd.
Why sign a 11 x 7 deal in July when you might be able to sign a 11.5 x 5 or 7 in october?
It facks the leafs but clearly thats not a worry for his gang

You can say Marner barely scores, because he's not known as a 'shoot-first' player.

Truth is, you can't compare him to Nylander because he wants almost $5M more per year than what Willy gets.

Marner averages what 23 goals a year?
Nylander averages like, 22 goals per year?

(Too lazy to look it up)

I don't think Marner is $5M per year better than Nylander
- PatC80

5m better? No definitely not.
Nylander scored 22 and 20 is his two best years. Marner is something like 22 and 26. You cant called one a scorer in the past and now say marner barely scores. Yes he gets much more assist compared to his goals.
If marner is asking for 11plus per.....its too much and if willie gets back to 60pts....his contract will be good. Marner will need to reach 100pts for his 11m contract to look good.

Lots of time still left before oct 2nd.
Why sign a 11 x 7 deal in July when you might be able to sign a 11.5 x 5 or 7 in october?
It facks the leafs but clearly thats not a worry for his gang
- Fakepartofme

a deal at 11mln x 5 --> marner signs directly.
the thing is that 'around 11mln x 8y' is probably 10.5 x 8 ; and that's understandingly not a contract marner is willing to sign (using a simple comparison between the matthews contract and that offer).

5m better? No definitely not.
Nylander scored 22 and 20 is his two best years. Marner is something like 22 and 26. You cant called one a scorer in the past and now say marner barely scores. Yes he gets much more assist compared to his goals.
If marner is asking for 11plus per.....its too much and if willie gets back to 60pts....his contract will be good. Marner will need to reach 100pts for his 11m contract to look good.
- Fakepartofme

Marner would need to get 100+ points for 3 straight years for me to accept him getting $11M per season.

a deal at 11mln x 5 --> marner signs directly.
the thing is that 'around 11mln x 8y' is probably 10.5 x 8 ; and that's understandingly not a contract marner is willing to sign (using a simple comparison between the matthews contract and that offer).
- MaximusAurelius

5 years is not realistic for the team. It puts Marner, Willie, and Matthews all RFA again in the same summer.

They need to let him sit for a year. I hear Switzerland is beautiful in the winter. It's incredible how quickly my favorite player in the NHL has moved to one of the worst, slightly ahead of cry baby Eichel. The leafs, and probably a few other NHL teams, need to take a stand on these clowns. Call the bluff, let'em sit and think about what they've done. I would also make sure that everybody knows what exactly was offered and I would tell Marner that the offer that comes next year will be even lower because they aren't sure if he could deliver the same way after sitting out a year. You want to curb this millennial entitlement BS, you're going to need to make an example out of a few of them. As a die-hard leaf fan, I would be willing to throw another season away to fix this moving forward.
- JDub76

I'm in total agreement here. The mistake was made last year, when they didn't let Willy sit, or trade his a$$ out of town. Willy got paid, then under-performed and the same is likely to happen with Marner. Willy's under-performance cost the Leafs home ice in the first round. With a better performance, the Leafs may have had home ice against the Bruins and prevailed, in a year of upsets.

Marner needs to be sat down and told the facts of life. Here is your 10M X 7 year contract. For every game that you miss, the contract will be reduced by $10K, for each of the 7 years until you sign. If you sit out the year, next years contract will be $8M X 7 and will be reduced by the same $10K, per games missed. The only leverage that Marner has, is to sign an offer sheet, that the Leafs can match, or take the picks if it's above $10M. It's time to play hard ball and stick to their guns. Allowing these kind of contracts will skew the Cap to the point that the team is un-competitive. The Leafs window is only 3 - 5 years in length and after 5, they'll need to divest some of their top assets to stay a playoff team.

a deal at 11mln x 5 --> marner signs directly.
the thing is that 'around 11mln x 8y' is probably 10.5 x 8 ; and that's understandingly not a contract marner is willing to sign (using a simple comparison between the matthews contract and that offer).
- MaximusAurelius

Everyone would sign that deal in a heartbeat.. The issue, is that Marner is NOT worth that contract

Marner would need to get 100+ points for 3 straight years for me to accept him getting $11M per season.
- PatC80

yes..
we already have a 100+points per season player in matthews at 11.63, so you're right!

Everyone would sign that deal in a heartbeat.. The issue, is that Marner is NOT worth that contract
- PatC80

yes he is.

Marner would need to get 100+ points for 3 straight years for me to accept him getting $11M per season.
- PatC80

He may do that, dunno.
So do you feel the same for matthews?
Or would a couple of 50 goal seasons be acceptable?
Id be happy with that.

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