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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 6:53 PM ET
I was looking at some interesting numbers today that suggested Goldobin is the best playmaker amongst forwards on the roster, even ahead of EP which was surprising.

Basically the number of passes a forward makes that leads to a one-timer shot or a shot from the crease/slot area by his teammate.


Goldy was the best Canuck at this by a large margin, the Canucks didn't have enough good finishers around the net/slot to take enough advantage though.

EP was 2nd, then there was a cluster of players(Bo, Pearson, Sven, Roussel etc.) that hovered around the same.

Miller would've been around the same range as EP was, Ferland would've been in that cluster I named above.

There's more to playmaking then setting up one timers and shots close to the net, but it was interesting to see.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 6:58 PM ET
Also, here's how former/current/future Canucks d-men ranked at exiting the zone last year:



1. Myers
2. Benn
3. Stecher
4. Fattenburg
5. Tanev
6. Edler
7. Hutton
8. MDZ
9. Gudbranson
10. Pouliot



Looks like either the Canucks identified a weakness here and addressed it or maybe the system they run is flawed, maybe a combination of both?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 6:59 PM ET
I was looking at some interesting numbers today that suggested Goldobin is the best playmaker amongst forwards on the roster, even ahead of EP which was surprising.

Basically the number of passes a forward makes that leads to a one-timer shot or a shot from the crease/slot area by his teammate.


Goldy was the best Canuck at this by a large margin, the Canucks didn't have enough good finishers around the net/slot to take enough advantage though.

EP was 2nd, then there was a cluster of players(Bo, Pearson, Sven, Roussel etc.) that hovered around the same.

Miller would've been around the same range as EP was, Ferland would've been in that cluster I named above.

There's more to playmaking then setting up one timers and shots close to the net, but it was interesting to see.

- Nucker101



There was problems everywhere in the last three years and you are right there was no finishers on the team.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:02 PM ET
Here's who was best at defending the blue-line and forcing dump-ins and turnovers instead of allowing the other team to bring the puck into the zone with possession:


1. Benn
2. Tanev
3. Pouliot
4. Gudbranson
5. Stecher
6. Hutton
7. Edler
8. Myers
9. MDZ


Benn seems like a nice pickup for the transition game at both ends of the ice, but he was a bit turnover prone as well.

Myers is solid at moving/skating the puck up the ice, but he struggles defending.
Jkuzzi
Joined: 12.14.2016

Sep 9 @ 7:03 PM ET
I was looking at some interesting numbers today that suggested Goldobin is the best playmaker amongst forwards on the roster, even ahead of EP which was surprising.

Basically the number of passes a forward makes that leads to a one-timer shot or a shot from the crease/slot area by his teammate.


Goldy was the best Canuck at this by a large margin, the Canucks didn't have enough good finishers around the net/slot to take enough advantage though.

EP was 2nd, then there was a cluster of players(Bo, Pearson, Sven, Roussel etc.) that hovered around the same.

Miller would've been around the same range as EP was, Ferland would've been in that cluster I named above.

There's more to playmaking then setting up one timers and shots close to the net, but it was interesting to see.

- Nucker101


Goldobin is not an nhler. I dont care what his obscure stats say. Good bye goldy.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:06 PM ET
Goldobin is not an nhler. I dont care what his obscure stats say. Good bye goldy.
- Jkuzzi


meh, I won't be devastated if he doesn't make the team out of camp. I wouldn't have even mentioned it if the leaders in the stat were a bunch of role players, but most of the top players were guys who put up 50+ points a year so the stat does have some value and that's what made me pay attention to Goldy ranking high in it.

It was just interesting to see how much the Canucks really lacked skill-wise last year despite working hard as a team. It also makes me wonder a bit about Green's system, maybe he'll change it up this year.


If they don't improve this year with the upgrades to the roster then Green and has staff have to be gone for sure
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Sep 9 @ 7:13 PM ET
Also, here's how former/current/future Canucks d-men ranked at exiting the zone last year:



1. Myers
2. Benn
3. Stecher
4. Fattenburg
5. Tanev
6. Edler
7. Hutton
8. MDZ
9. Gudbranson
10. Pouliot



Looks like either the Canucks identified a weakness here and addressed it or maybe the system they run is flawed, maybe a combination of both?

- Nucker101

Someone will have to be 7th 8th 9th & 10th this year.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:17 PM ET
meh, I won't be devastated if he doesn't make the team out of camp. I wouldn't have even mentioned it if the leaders in the stat were a bunch of role players, but most of the top players were guys who put up 50+ points a year so the stat does have some value and that's what made me pay attention to Goldy ranking high in it.

It was just interesting to see how much the Canucks really lacked skill-wise last year despite working hard as a team. It also makes me wonder a bit about Green's system, maybe he'll change it up this year.


If they don't improve this year with the upgrades to the roster then Green and has staff have to be gone for sure

- Nucker101

Top to bottom house cleaning.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:17 PM ET
meh, I won't be devastated if he doesn't make the team out of camp. It was just interesting to see how much the Canucks really lacked skill-wise last year despite working hard as a team.


If they don't improve this year with the upgrades to the roster then Green and has staff have to be gone for sure

- Nucker101


I think Green had the team playing extremely well at times last year . They beat some of the top teams. I am not giving him an endorsement by any means but I would like to see him play out the year.

I heard some good things from people that played under him like Shayne O Brien and a few current players that have complimented him.

I think Brown and Baumgartner are treading on thin ice though
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Sep 9 @ 7:20 PM ET
I think Green had the team playing extremely well at times last year . They beat some of the top teams. I am not giving him an endorsement by any means but I would like to see him play out the year.

I heard some good things from people that played under him like Shayne O Brien and a few current players that have complimented him.

I think Brown and Baumgartner are treading on thin ice though

- VANTEL

I think Markstrom will have the biggest say in whether Green lasts the year.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:21 PM ET
I was listening to Corey Hergott today and when asked who did he think was most NHL ready on the D for call ups this was his list.

Sautner
Briesbois
Juolevi
Rafferty

We all know that won't be the order of call up but I do agree about Sautner being the most ready.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:22 PM ET
I think Markstrom will have the biggest say in whether Green lasts the year.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Meaning if he regresses?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:22 PM ET
I was listening to Corey Hergott today and when asked who did he think was most NHL ready on the D for call ups this was his list.

Sautner
Briesbois
Juolevi
Rafferty

We all know that won't be the order of call up but I do agree about Sautner being the most ready.

- VANTEL

interesting.


Sounds about right based on what I've read from Comets fans, although that dude tweeting that OJ's skating looked awesome is an amazing sign, if it's true than I'll feel a lot better about his future.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 9 @ 7:26 PM ET
I was listening to Corey Hergott today and when asked who did he think was most NHL ready on the D for call ups this was his list.

Sautner
Briesbois
Juolevi
Rafferty

We all know that won't be the order of call up but I do agree about Sautner being the most ready.

- VANTEL


It depends on who goes down on the top 6, that will determine who is called up.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Sep 9 @ 7:26 PM ET
I wonder if you can still buy 1 online. It was worth it for sure and the photos of the show were really great.
In the program they address the song selection which had to fit the themes. That's why you heard he songs you mentioned.
I loved their energy which I'd say was at an all time high....at what 60 years old. You could really tell their hearts were really into it.
Probably the best done show I've ever seen. My only complaint is they were only here for a single show
https://youtu.be/X9oGkvpkefg
https://youtu.be/MqE98WXftUM
https://youtu.be/fqUVsRKu1N8

- SMBDragon

I'll look into it. Would be good to have as a keeps sake as well as I never bought a shirt or poster at the show. $55 bucks for a shirt lol

But I'm glad you told me about the themes...great to know.

If you don't have it already snag the Book 'Iron Maiden Album by Album' by Martin Popoff. One of the top music writers today did an album by album account of all their stuff...so well done. A must own for Maiden fans really.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Sep 9 @ 7:27 PM ET
meh, I won't be devastated if he doesn't make the team out of camp. I wouldn't have even mentioned it if the leaders in the stat were a bunch of role players, but most of the top players were guys who put up 50+ points a year so the stat does have some value and that's what made me pay attention to Goldy ranking high in it.

It was just interesting to see how much the Canucks really lacked skill-wise last year despite working hard as a team. It also makes me wonder a bit about Green's system, maybe he'll change it up this year.


If they don't improve this year with the upgrades to the roster then Green and has staff have to be gone for sure

- Nucker101

They'll move up again in that standings for sure just a question of where. If we just miss the PO's will that be ok for ownership even though the team will show improvements? Questions...
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:27 PM ET
It depends on who goes down on the top 6, that will determine who is called up.
- dbot


Sautner will also need to be waived, not that it matters but it's worth noting.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:28 PM ET
interesting.


Sounds about right based on what I've read from Comets fans, although that dude tweeting that OJ's skating looked awesome is an amazing sign, if it's true than I'll feel a lot better about his future.

- Nucker101


I think we both know OJs biggest issue is in his own end. No doubt about his offensive skills . It think the biggest hold back is his play in his own end
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:29 PM ET
It depends on who goes down on the top 6, that will determine who is called up.
- dbot


Both Hughes and Benn can play both sides .
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:30 PM ET
I think we both know OJs biggest issue is in his own end. No doubt about his offensive skills . It think the biggest hold back is his play in his own end
- VANTEL

His skating, especially backwards and when pivoting has hurt him defensively, at least when defending against the rush so improved skating back to where it was pre-draft would be big. His defending against the cycle is always going to be a weak spot, he's just too soft along the boards and in front of the net.


Hopefully that dude is right about his skating, fingers crossed
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:31 PM ET
His skating, especially backwards and when pivoting has hurt him defensively, at least when defending against the rush so improved skating back to where it was pre-draft would be big. His defending against the cycle is always going to be a weak spot, he's just too soft along the boards and in front of the net.
- Nucker101

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:32 PM ET
Sautner will also need to be waived, not that it matters but it's worth noting.
- Nucker101


I wonder what will happen with Biega and Fantenberg. I guess we will find out when they start doing the cuts.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 9 @ 7:36 PM ET
Sautner will also need to be waived, not that it matters but it's worth noting.
- Nucker101





We're finally getting to the point where we're going to have to start risking/waiving marginal NHL players/prospects.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 7:37 PM ET


We're finally getting to the point where we're going to have to start risking/waiving marginal NHL players/prospects.

- dbot



Sautner would be second pairing on the Leafs
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 9 @ 7:37 PM ET
I wonder what will happen with Biega and Fantenberg. I guess we will find out when they start doing the cuts.
- VANTEL


I suppose they'll be buried in Utica before the season starts.
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