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DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Sep 9 @ 4:34 PM ET
He hasn’t earned 6 plus. Shorter the better
- CanuckDon


Disagree. I’d rather pay somewhat of a premium in advance to not have to extend him @ $10+ in 4yrs when he’s an established 40+g scorer. Playing with a vet Petey & Hughes should allow for a sh!t-ton of gimme goals... If you want to turn Boeser into bad value, pay him after those
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Sep 9 @ 4:39 PM ET
Disagree. I’d rather pay somewhat of a premium in advance to not have to extend him @ $10+ in 4yrs when he’s an established 40+g scorer. Playing with a vet Petey & Hughes should allow for a sh!t-ton of gimme goals... If you want to turn Boeser into bad value, pay him after those
- DrChristianTroy

This
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 5:05 PM ET
4 or 5 years should be completely off the table. There's no positives at all with that term.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Sep 9 @ 5:10 PM ET
Disagree. I’d rather pay somewhat of a premium in advance to not have to extend him @ $10+ in 4yrs when he’s an established 40+g scorer. Playing with a vet Petey & Hughes should allow for a sh!t-ton of gimme goals... If you want to turn Boeser into bad value, pay him after those
- DrChristianTroy

He is soft and weak in his own end. Plus he isn’t durable. A long term commitment is a huge risk. 3 years would be perfect.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 5:10 PM ET
As long as it is divisive and sets the fanbase against each other, I'm fine.
- Marwood



You know damn well everything is divisive
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Sep 9 @ 5:13 PM ET
He is soft and weak in his own end. Plus he isn’t durable. A long term commitment is a huge risk. 3 years would be perfect.
- CanuckDon

With that reasoning why are we even trying to sign him? He sounds terrible!
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Sep 9 @ 5:19 PM ET
With that reasoning why are we even trying to sign him? He sounds terrible!
- NorthNuck

It's the Canucks 50th anniversary don't they have a night set a side this year to celebrate overpaid Canucks?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 5:20 PM ET
With that reasoning why are we even trying to sign him? He sounds terrible!
- NorthNuck



Not like that. If I had seen Nylander play the way he did in the playoffs he would be making 5 mil not 7.

I have no problem paying Brock 10 mil in 3 years from now if he has three 30-40 goal seasons and he is a well rounded player . I personally think too much is made over cap issues. If a team wants you they will find a way to get you the money.

So much is going to change in the next three years so why not make sure it is a good long term relationship.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 5:27 PM ET
Disagree. I’d rather pay somewhat of a premium in advance to not have to extend him @ $10+ in 4yrs when he’s an established 40+g scorer. Playing with a vet Petey & Hughes should allow for a sh!t-ton of gimme goals... If you want to turn Boeser into bad value, pay him after those
- DrChristianTroy


Agreed.

I'd rather do 7-8 years at 7.5M per until he's 29/30 years old

instead of 3 years at 6M per, followed by 7-8 x 10M until he's 32-33 years old.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 5:39 PM ET
Agreed.

I'd rather do 7-8 years at 7.5M per until he's 29/30 years old

instead of 3 years at 6M per, followed by 7-8 x 10M until he's 32-33 years old.

- Nucker101


It worked out fine for Toews and Kane and Crosby and Malkin
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sep 9 @ 5:48 PM ET
It worked out fine for Toews and Kane and Crosby and Malkin
- VANTEL


I like Brock,but there is no way he is on the same level as those guys.
Different tier.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Sep 9 @ 5:50 PM ET
Not like that. If I had seen Nylander play the way he did in the playoffs he would be making 5 mil not 7.

I have no problem paying Brock 10 mil in 3 years from now if he has three 30-40 goal seasons and he is a well rounded player . I personally think too much is made over cap issues. If a team wants you they will find a way to get you the money.

So much is going to change in the next three years so why not make sure it is a good long term relationship.

- VANTEL

Not always the case imo, we've seen teams forced to move out talent even this year, look at Winnipeg.

I don't think we're in serious trouble by any means and paying Brock 9 or 10 mil 3 years from now isn't the end of the world, but we by no means have a good salary cap situation.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 5:51 PM ET
I like Brock,but there is no way he is on the same level as those guys.
Different tier.

- dbot


That is correct and that is why I say bridge deal . Too early to back up the Brinks truck
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 5:53 PM ET
Not always the case imo, we've seen teams forced to move out talent even this year, look at Winnipeg.

I don't think we're in serious trouble by any means and paying Brock 9 or 10 mil 3 years from now isn't the end of the world, but we by no means have a good salary cap situation.

- NorthNuck



What is Brock has injury problems or plateaus at 28 goals a year and is just okay in his own end.

Laine is a pain in the ass . If WPG rally wanted to keep him they would have found a way
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Sep 9 @ 5:54 PM ET
I like Brock,but there is no way he is on the same level as those guys.
Different tier.

- dbot

True, but if they signed deals today it would be in the 12m range easily. Brock at 10m in 3 years is equivalent to a player for 5m when Crosby and Malkin signed.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 5:55 PM ET
It worked out fine for Toews and Kane and Crosby and Malkin
- VANTEL


Chicago hasn't won a cup since the 10.5M deals kicked in.

Pittsburgh really isn't comparable here, those guys are 2 of the best centres in recent history, plus Crosby makes 8.7m and Malkin 9.5M
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Sep 9 @ 5:55 PM ET
It worked out fine for Toews and Kane and Crosby and Malkin
- VANTEL

I mean in Toews and Kanes case it worked out when they won the cups, but at the end of the line they will have spent about half their careers on a declining, non-competitive team that can't add the necessary pieces because of poopty cap hits.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Sep 9 @ 5:56 PM ET
Chicago hasn't won a cup since the 10.5M deals kicked in.

Pittsburgh really isn't comparable here, those guys are 2 of the best centres in recent history, plus Crosby makes 8.7m and Malkin 9.5M

- Nucker101

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 5:57 PM ET
I mean in Toews and Kanes case it worked out when they won the cups, but at the end of the line they will have spent about half their careers on a declining, non-competitive team that can't add the necessary pieces because of poopty cap hits.
- NorthNuck


Chicago has had serious issues surrounding those 2 with enough quality players ever since their contracts kicked in.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Sep 9 @ 5:59 PM ET
What is Brock has injury problems or plateaus at 28 goals a year and is just okay in his own end.

Laine is a pain in the ass . If WPG rally wanted to keep him they would have found a way

- VANTEL

Conner, Trouba, Myers, Tanev. Regardless, I don't think you hedge your bets on players you want to be a core part of your team long term, it can bit you in the ass later on down the road.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Sep 9 @ 5:59 PM ET
Chicago has had serious issues surrounding those 2 with enough quality players ever since their contracts kicked in.
- Nucker101

Yep, that was exactly my point. A lot of years of those guys careers out the window because of their cap hits. Suter and Parise are good examples of contracts handicapping a team as well, though that has as much to do with term as it does $ amount.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 6:00 PM ET
Chicago hasn't won a cup since the 10.5M deals kicked in.

Pittsburgh really isn't comparable here, those guys are 2 of the best centres in recent history, plus Crosby makes 8.7m and Malkin 9.5M

- Nucker101



All four had bridge deals and have won cups after signing bridge deals.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 9 @ 6:03 PM ET
All four had bridge deals and have won cups after signing bridge deals.
- VANTEL


If you think the Canucks real window is the next 3-4 years instead of the 3-4 after that then yes, you want the bridge deal.


If not, then you want the long term deal.


Although it can be argued that if you think their real window for a cup is during the next 3-4 years then that means you also think Brock is a legit star....
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 9 @ 6:04 PM ET
That is correct and that is why I say bridge deal . Too early to back up the Brinks truck
- VANTEL


JB wants BB long term and BB wants more money on short term deal. Whatever gets worked out there will be holes to poke at.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 9 @ 6:06 PM ET
Conner, Trouba, Myers, Tanev. Regardless, I don't think you hedge your bets on players you want to be a core part of your team long term, it can bit you in the ass later on down the road.
- NorthNuck



Winnipeg will always have problems seeing it is the least desirable city to play in . Jets would have signed Trouba but he was not going to sign there.

I think Laine will be traded and they will get a good haul coming back to them.

Connor will be signed

Tanev Pitts offered him the worst contract signing of the summer.
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