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Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Aug 22 @ 4:47 PM ET
There is obviously a group think situation going on - Franson clearly deserves to be in the NHL. Maybe GMs are dumb - at least half of them are terrible at their jobs, and the rest of them get free pick of guys like Franson.
- James_Tanner


Just. Wow.
rcerick
New Jersey Devils
Location: 973, NJ
Joined: 08.14.2017

Aug 22 @ 5:14 PM ET
Do you and Ryan Wilson inhale rocks together?
BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner
Joined: 06.21.2012

Aug 22 @ 5:26 PM ET
There is obviously a group think situation going on - Franson clearly deserves to be in the NHL. Maybe GMs are dumb - at least half of them are terrible at their jobs, and the rest of them get free pick of guys like Franson.
- James_Tanner


If half the gms are dumb and bad at their jobs, that still leaves 15 competent ones who have not signed Franson.

So either...
1. You are smarter than the 15 competent gms who somehow fail to recognize something that's clear and obvious to you
OR
2. He is not an NHL calibre player

I'm gonna go with 2!

It's ok to admit that you were wrong. Maybe you could even have an open mind and start to question the validity of the stats that led you to believe he's a good player. Probably not.

daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Aug 22 @ 5:52 PM ET
There is obviously a group think situation going on - Franson clearly deserves to be in the NHL. Maybe GMs are dumb - at least half of them are terrible at their jobs, and the rest of them get free pick of guys like Franson.
- James_Tanner

Yet you provided no reason why he should.
You felate all over Dubas and chAyka yet even the 2 smartest gms of all time want nothing to with him.
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Aug 22 @ 6:08 PM ET
I don't know dude, you clearly wouldn't care either way because you've got your mind made up and you're set on being an ass.........but I think 65 points from a rookie is pretty fn good.

Also, if you spent like five minutes looking at the odds of each position in the draft becoming an NHL Player, you'd realize that teams should be swinging for the fence and taking risks, since over 80% of 5th overall and lower picks don't even make it anyways.

- James_Tanner

Where do you get that info from? I'm pretty sure that information is incorrect.
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Aug 22 @ 6:26 PM ET
Obviously I'm colouring outside the lines here, so I do expect posts like this, but you should be aware that the NBA, in terms of effect of star players, is the most similar to the NHL.

Edmonton is actually a perfect example: If they had of realized what I'm saying, they'd traded an elite player for a position they were weak at, and it turned into arguable a top five worst trade of all time. Maybe even #1 or 2/.

- James_Tanner

I read a great piece recently about elite players ice time that compared it to the NBA and it's not even close.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Aug 22 @ 7:24 PM ET
If half the gms are dumb and bad at their jobs, that still leaves 15 competent ones who have not signed Franson.

So either...
1. You are smarter than the 15 competent gms who somehow fail to recognize something that's clear and obvious to you
OR
2. He is not an NHL calibre player

I'm gonna go with 2!

It's ok to admit that you were wrong. Maybe you could even have an open mind and start to question the validity of the stats that led you to believe he's a good player. Probably not.

- BestRapperAlive


I think there must be some kind of unknown factor. Franson was above average last time he played in the nhl. Its more weird than anything.
camfor
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Complete mis-use of stats, Is now called the Jimmy "T" special.
Joined: 12.08.2007

Aug 22 @ 8:09 PM ET
I think there must be some kind of unknown factor. Franson was above average last time he played in the nhl. Its more weird than anything.
- James_Tanner

Yep...Weird, Was exactly where i was going with this!!!
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Aug 22 @ 8:45 PM ET
I think there must be some kind of unknown factor. Franson was above average last time he played in the nhl. Its more weird than anything.
- James_Tanner

He was not and got sent to the minors
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 22 @ 9:41 PM ET
Haha... The coyotes should get an elite hockey blogger... Lols.. That's classic..
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 22 @ 9:47 PM ET
To come out and say that basically all hockey players that are not elite are useless is ludicrous. Maybe the Coyotes should ban useless hockey bloggers and get themselves an elite one and maybe they will start winning.
- Flybynight88

Classic
charlest
St Louis Blues
Joined: 08.18.2006

Aug 22 @ 10:17 PM ET
I actually listened with an open mind and thought, maybe you're right James. But I'm having a hard time mathematically confirming your conclusion.

I'd really like to see you push this theory with the math that validates it. I can't find a searchable evaluation of WAR/GAR besides Evolving-Hockey, so that's what I'm using. My results do not line up with your theory.

If you look at GAR and WAR stats for elite players versus typical NHL players making between 2-6 million, the statistical improvement above replacement actually does not justify their contracts.

I'm beginning to think perhaps the opposite is true, that solid depth acquisitions with economical cap hits are the real difference makers. Players like Carl Gunnarson, Oskar Sundqvist, Vince Dunn, Pat Maroon, and Tyler Bozak all seem to be big economical contributors.

If you trade out those above for replacement level players and then add a big name with the savings, your team would actually go down in wins using the WAR or GAR model. You'd actually go down significantly (several wins would be lost) if you swapped those out for Kopitar. That move in and of itself would probably cause missing the playoffs.

- charlest



Anyone have any thoughts on this?
gramps
Location: Chandler, AZ
Joined: 10.10.2006

Aug 23 @ 12:18 AM ET
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
- charlest


Advanced stats are lucky and shouldn't be counted.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Aug 23 @ 9:38 AM ET
I think there must be some kind of unknown factor. Franson was above average last time he played in the nhl. Its more weird than anything.
- James_Tanner

Because the stat you love - shots attempts is way less important compared to 2 on 1’s a slow Defenceman gives up.

SA = team stat

Giving up 2 on 1’s due to being slow is on the individual.

🤷🏻‍♂️

I liked Franson, good shot, hit the net a lot, but terribly slow. Pretty sure you’ve noticed this since you’re a leaf fan and watched every game he played?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 23 @ 10:21 AM ET
I think there must be some kind of unknown factor. Franson was above average last time he played in the nhl. Its more weird than anything.
- James_Tanner

Unknown to you.

Known to 31 GMs.

With all your cutting edge hockey knowledge, will you be coaching your son this year in house league?
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 23 @ 11:37 AM ET
Unknown to you.

Known to 31 GMs.

With all your cutting edge hockey knowledge, will you be coaching your son this year in house league?

- Atomic Wedgie

gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 23 @ 11:49 AM ET
The NHL has announced today that "any player not playing on the first line is garbage and will now be making league minimum." The NHLPA will not allow this and will be striking immediately.

Hockey buzz has announced that "any blogger who isn't first line quality will no longer be allowed to post any blogs no matter how much they need the $5." As a result there will no longer be any blogs to read at hockey buzz.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
Welcome to Jimmy Tan-Tan's "Five Dollar Flavour of the Day Flip-Flop!"

Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Aug 23 @ 12:13 PM ET
Nice shoehorning the Leafs into a Yotes blog post. Oesterle and Crouse, if they can replicate last season, are steal deals. Goli Grabner and Demers contracts aren't great, but they are a far cry from disaster deals seen elsewhere. Kopitar might be available, but you fail to mention that the Kings aren't competing like Nashville, who needed the space. You'd have to pay actual assets to get Kopitar, which negates what your post's title infers. It's nice to dream though, I suppose...
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 23 @ 1:04 PM ET
I think there must be some kind of unknown factor. Franson was above average last time he played in the nhl. Its more weird than anything.
- James_Tanner

Gertner
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.04.2017

Aug 23 @ 7:02 PM ET
Remember the time James got owned by Bill Meltzer in his own blog?
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 23 @ 7:50 PM ET
Remember the time James got owned by Bill Meltzer in his own blog?
- Gertner

SC116
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.29.2015

Aug 23 @ 8:01 PM ET
Wait ... I thought you were getting Patrick Kane??? Now I'm hurt....
WJDiedrich
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 24 @ 8:42 AM ET
The NHL is less star dependent than any other major sport. This analysis starts off with wrong-footed hyperbole and then just gets dumb.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Aug 24 @ 9:16 AM ET
Unknown to you.

Known to 31 GMs.

With all your cutting edge hockey knowledge, will you be coaching your son this year in house league?

- Atomic Wedgie


No.

He's too fat to lace up his own skates and can't take a smoke break.
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