- Symba007

A negative take on stuff isn't bad. But a sane, balanced, negative take is preferrable to nonsensical ranting.

Dubas has done some great work this summer. There was a cost (the 1st, Kadri), but what he was able to do for that cost was amazing.

He was also part of the group that drafted Korshkov. It looks like that was pretty stupid. In hindsight, letting McBackup go was stupid also.
- Aetherial

This. You can point out things Dubas has done that you don't like or disagree with. He does not have a perfect track record by any means. But you can't just focus on that and none of the positives, of which there are many.

Overall, I'm very pleased with his job performance. And if you think we would be better off with Lams/Nonis/Burke/JFJ well then you're just a (frank)ing moron

This. You can point out things Dubas has done that you don't like or disagree with. He does not have a perfect track record by any means. But you can't just focus on that and none of the positives, of which there are many.

Overall, I'm very pleased with his job performance. And if you think we would be better off with Lams/Nonis/Burke/JFJ well then you're just a (frank)ing moron
- poopstash

My acid test is, how many "untradeable" contracts has he signed. Perhaps only 1, Ceci. I still don't get it, but at least it is only 1 year.

So every other guy he signed could be moved to another team, I don't think any "sweeteners" would be needed. That means he hasn't gone off the board and done anything stupid.

It's amazing to see how not only satisfied, but downright emboldened guys are with the current situation. Just making the playoffs has meow become celebratory.
- aminnes

Its what happens when you team has been garbage for decades.

He's driving me nuts. I have never read more idiotic posts. His infatuation with Dubas is downright frightening. You would think after years of being told you're an idiot you would take a look in the mirror and come to some kind of realization that maybe you should start changing the way you think. I dont know if its bad parenting, a rough social upbringing, lack of friends or what not. I am genuinely concerned for people of his thought process.

Like no one is praising Dubas as the next Jesus Christ. No one is also bashing him and saying hes the worst (except Max). He latches on to any 1 little negative sentence said about Dubas like an infant latching onto their mothers tits for milk.

He clearly has a troubling obsession. He should probably take a break from watching hockey, or maybe follow another team if he hates the Leafs organizational decisions this much. It's not healthy and i feel for him, and anyone who has to live with him on a daily basis.
- Burkefection

If hes driving you nuts, just ignore the post and dont reply.
Or dont take it seriously.

My acid test is, how many "untradeable" contracts has he signed. Perhaps only 1, Ceci. I still don't get it, but at least it is only 1 year.

So every other guy he signed could be moved to another team, I don't think any "sweeteners" would be needed. That means he hasn't gone off the board and done anything stupid.
- Aetherial

that's because Dubas hasn't really done anything with significant risk.
(he did make quite a few bad decisions though: McBackup vs Sparks; keeping Holl and Marincin over Leivo and McBackup and then giving away Leivo for free; giving up too much for Muzzin; ..)

Tavares was a risk-free no-brainer move.

So far, he hasn't solved the backup goalie issue.
He is very stubborn holding on to 'his guys'.
He has been very very mediocre in contract negotiations (Matthews with the most player friendly contract in league; Johnsson overpaid; Nylander took 2 months too long to solve; Marner not treated as a #1 priority earlier; etc.).
Plus he hasn't really improved the D: losing Hainsey, Zaitsev, Gardiner and getting back Muzzin, Barrie (probably for just 1 year at the cost of Kadri), Ceci isn't that much of an upgrade.

Babcock is in a 'win now' mode - and Dubas is basically only thinking about prolonging his stay as a Leafs GM - by avoiding taking any risk. Obviously GMs always want to think mid- to long term, but you have to want to take a risk to win now as well.. Dubas hasn't done so so far.

it's why Dubas is still being praised by so many fans.
they were even celebrating the Marlies' win as if it were a SC win..
and the GM himself was leading that infantile celebration himself.
low expectations for one of the biggest sports organizations in North America - it's pathetic really.
- MaximusAurelius

Sorry, i didnt see millions parade down yonge when the marlies won. Its ok to celebrate a championship at any level.
Now, didnt build the team, but he oversaw them
I was pretty happy, actually i was at the game.

that's because Dubas hasn't really done anything with significant risk.
(he did make quite a few bad decisions though: McBackup vs Sparks; keeping Holl and Marincin over Leivo and McBackup and then giving away Leivo for free; giving up too much for Muzzin; ..)

Tavares was a risk-free no-brainer move.

So far, he hasn't solved the backup goalie issue.
He is very stubborn holding on to 'his guys'.
He has been very very mediocre in contract negotiations (Matthews with the most player friendly contract in league; Johnsson overpaid; Nylander took 2 months too long to solve; Marner not treated as a #1 priority earlier; etc.).
Plus he hasn't really improved the D: losing Hainsey, Zaitsev, Gardiner and getting back Muzzin, Barrie (probably for just 1 year at the cost of Kadri), Ceci isn't that much of an upgrade.

Babcock is in a 'win now' mode - and Dubas is basically only thinking about prolonging his stay as a Leafs GM - by avoiding taking any risk. Obviously GMs always want to think mid- to long term, but you have to want to take a risk to win now as well.. Dubas hasn't done so so far.
- MaximusAurelius

I'd say keeping JVR, Bozak and Gardiner as own rentals instead of trading them was a win-now risk. Trading Kadri for Barrie at less term. Trading a first for Muzzin. Plenty of win-now moves from what I see.

If hes driving you nuts, just ignore the post and dont reply.
Or dont take it seriously.
- Fakepartofme

It was more so a figure of speech lol I enjoy reading everyone's opinions and mostly see all sides to everyone's arguments. But his... I dont think i've ever agreed with anything he has said or been able to see where hes coming from.

I'm here just for the necessary counterbalance for the Dubas/Nylander lovers and Babcock haters (same group of people).
Taking comments on a web forum too serious is not a good idea!
- MaximusAurelius

But you're never actually having a conversation with anyone: you're just old man shakes fist at cloud 24/7.

I'm here just for the necessary counterbalance for the Dubas/Nylander lovers and Babcock haters (same group of people).
Taking comments on a web forum too serious is not a good idea!
- MaximusAurelius

hahahah not at all taking it too serious man. just playing the same game we all are playing.

But you're never actually having a conversation with anyone: you're just old man shakes fist at cloud 24/7.
- gravyface

whatever you say, cool guy

Max, Max, Max IDIOT, IDIOT, IDIOT....
- bixll

Fixed.

whatever you say, cool guy
- MaximusAurelius

Back to this now. Ok.

Here's a tip on how to get along with others: try some empathy; try to actually listen to what people say. Ask questions. Hardliners and extremists are generally not welcome.

I haven't been able to figure out if Max really believes the stupid sh!t he posts or if he just posts it because he's more likely to get the most responses to his posts.

(frank) me

RIP .HOHO.

that's because Dubas hasn't really done anything with significant risk.
(he did make quite a few bad decisions though: McBackup vs Sparks; keeping Holl and Marincin over Leivo and McBackup and then giving away Leivo for free; giving up too much for Muzzin; ..)

Tavares was a risk-free no-brainer move.

So far, he hasn't solved the backup goalie issue.
He is very stubborn holding on to 'his guys'.
He has been very very mediocre in contract negotiations (Matthews with the most player friendly contract in league; Johnsson overpaid; Nylander took 2 months too long to solve; Marner not treated as a #1 priority earlier; etc.).
Plus he hasn't really improved the D: losing Hainsey, Zaitsev, Gardiner and getting back Muzzin, Barrie (probably for just 1 year at the cost of Kadri), Ceci isn't that much of an upgrade.

Babcock is in a 'win now' mode - and Dubas is basically only thinking about prolonging his stay as a Leafs GM - by avoiding taking any risk. Obviously GMs always want to think mid- to long term, but you have to want to take a risk to win now as well.. Dubas hasn't done so so far.
- MaximusAurelius

You do realize if he traded Sparks and kept Mcbackup the kind of message that it would have sent to future Marlies is a very negative one. That hard word and success will get you no where. Im sure he wanted to keep McBackUp as much as we all did. But at least SEE the reasoning in his decision to go with Sparks. I understand it. Doesnt mean i liked it, and nor should you. But at least see the bigger reasoning behind it Max.

RIP .HOHO.
- Symba007

F his hat.

Max should be a Sens fan?
- Symba007

we already have spatso, Dops, and Melnyk...........we're suffering enough

You do realize if he traded Sparks and kept Mcbackup the kind of message that it would have sent to future Marlies is a very negative one. That hard word and success will get you no where. Im sure he wanted to keep McBackUp as much as we all did. But at least SEE the reasoning in his decision to go with Sparks. I understand it. Doesnt mean i liked it, and nor should you. But at least see the bigger reasoning behind it Max.
- Burkefection

It was a bad decision and I said Sparks wasn't good enough even before that decision was made.
If Dubas was so keen on keeping the unproven Sparks, at least keep 3 goalies and get rid of Marincin or Holl. Then after 8 games of Sparks, make a final decision (it was clear what it was going to be anyways, but still...).

The point is that Dubas is not very good at evaluating some players - seems the message is not that the best players stay, but that some of 'his guys' get more chances than other guys. That's not good.

Get with the plan, Adam.
Dubas is the best GM in NHL's history, because he:
1/ is young
2/ cares about real important issues (more important than winning a Stanley Cup).
3/ 'understands' how to handle the younger guys
4/ uses innovative approaches
5/ has some kind of magic innate player evaluation intuation that trumps all other GMs in the league
6/ wears great glasses
7/ gives bad apples 2nd chances
8/ is a great negotiator
9/ is a great communicator
10/ goes to festivals
- MaximusAurelius

The funny thing is, none of the things you mentioned make him a bad GM. #Federov

My acid test is, how many "untradeable" contracts has he signed. Perhaps only 1, Ceci. I still don't get it, but at least it is only 1 year.

So every other guy he signed could be moved to another team, I don't think any "sweeteners" would be needed. That means he hasn't gone off the board and done anything stupid.
- Aetherial

Would you rather have Zaitzev @ $4.5MM for 5 years or Ceci for 1?

And yes it's worth giving up a $2.1MM third line plug that can be replaced for 1/2 the price.

Just blame Bixll.

I am used to it.

Would you rather have Zaitzev @ $4.5MM for 5 years or Ceci for 1?

And yes it's worth giving up a $2.1MM third line plug that can be replaced for 1/2 the price.


- .HOHO.

I'm just glad we can finally all agree on Connor Brown's limited abilities after all these year.

Now that he's not playing for the Leafs.

Just blame Bixll.

I am used to it.
- bixll

Wouldn't want to put to much on you.

...

You might hurt your back old man.