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sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Aug 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
JVR - Coots - Jake
G - Hayes - TK
Lindblom - Patrick - ?
Raffl - Laughton - Pitlick

Was trying to think of best balance in the top 6 and I feel like this might be it. Teams top line would probably match the Coots line and I feel like that Hayes line can really thrive verse lesser competition.

- ClaudeFather


I put out a hypothetical lineup as well with G with Hayes and Coots and Jake together (I had Lindblom at LW with Coots and Jakes tho) and I got roasted. I like the strategy of having pairs that you want to keep together and then adding the 3rd member of the line - I think G and Hayes could be dynamite together, and add in TK, could be a special line.

And just think, we'd have another line that would have first line scoring potential also that teams would have to deal with. Possibilities are endless.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
I'm on that hill...
- wcorvette


I am also joining you on this hill.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 4:14 PM ET
What about?

JVR - Coots - Jake
G - Hayes - TK
Lindblom - Patrick - Raffl
NAK - Laughton - Pitlick

- bmoreflyer

Start with that, if NAK impresses move him up.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 4:16 PM ET
I put out a hypothetical lineup as well with G with Hayes and Coots and Jake together (I had Lindblom at LW with Coots and Jakes tho) and I got roasted. I like the strategy of having pairs that you want to keep together and then adding the 3rd member of the line - I think G and Hayes could be dynamite together, and add in TK, could be a special line.

And just think, we'd have another line that would have first line scoring potential also that teams would have to deal with. Possibilities are endless.

- sjk540

G can play with anyone, Hayes is no bum and yea TK is always a threat. Our top 6 can be a real matchup problem for other teams.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Aug 20 @ 4:26 PM ET
We got 2, who else is in?

To make it easier, we can do a first come first serve with whoever is interested. The link to join is below, all standard stuff, nothing too crazy.

https://hockey.fantasyspo...lnk&ikey=44accb8e35d09d03

- sjk540


Giving this a bump, starting an HB fantasy league. League is open, first come first serve, have 8 spots left. If anyone is interested in joining, for perhaps a small fee to keep people interested, maybe 20 bucks, feel free to register!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 20 @ 4:36 PM ET
I wish he would just play with Matt Read and not score so much...
- ClaudeFather

I’m not even sure what this is suppose to mean...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 4:37 PM ET
of course, flashes aren't enough in the end. But for only playing 2 seasons, one of which was hijacked by various injuries and he was unable to get into his typical off season training regimen which basically put him behind the 8 ball immediately, I think he did all he could do. Moving forward however, he needs to perform like the 2nd overall pick. I think the positive thing is that we know he will be paired with at least one talented winger, time will tell who the other winger is.

I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility however that he, by the end of the year, is the one driving play more so than whoever is on his line. I think this 3rd line is gonna be a pain in the ass for opponents as the season progresses to be honest.

- sjk540



The injury excuse was valid for year one but not for both years. I'll settle for him just becoming a solid 50-60 point player.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 4:46 PM ET
I’m not even sure what this is suppose to mean...
- SuperSchennBros

Coots is best used as our number 1 center, scoring 70+ points playing all situations, we don't have Mcdavid to unseat him as our #1 Center and it sure as hell will not be Patrick at the moment and he has a lot to prove to even get close.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 20 @ 4:51 PM ET
Coots is best used as our number 1 center, scoring 70+ points playing all situations, we don't have Mcdavid to unseat him as our #1 Center and it sure as hell will not be Patrick at the moment and he has a lot to prove to even get close.
- ClaudeFather


I just wish Patrick would stay exactly where he is playing with Scott Laughton and putting up 30 points a season.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 4:54 PM ET
I just wish Patrick would stay exactly where he is playing with Scott Laughton and putting up 30 points a season.
- SuperSchennBros

I think the idea was to have Laughton center the fourth, Patrick third.
SuperSchennBros
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Aug 20 @ 4:56 PM ET
I think the idea was to have Laughton center the fourth, Patrick third.
- ClaudeFather

That might be the idea. It doesn’t mean things cannot change. It doesn’t mean Patrick can’t break out this season.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Aug 20 @ 4:59 PM ET
Not sure why Pitlick seems be overlooked. When healthy the guy can play. His injury prone is a concern but when healthy he is better then the talented but green young-ins. He is better then NAK, Germ, and Vorobyev. This guy is in the Flyers starting 12 while healthy. For now anyways. The talent will pass him up but not in October.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 5:04 PM ET
That might be the idea. It doesn’t mean things cannot change. It doesn’t mean Patrick can’t break out this season.
- SuperSchennBros

Even if he breaks out, i hope he does, still a long long way to go when talking about unseating Coots.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Aug 20 @ 5:07 PM ET
I am also joining you on this hill.
- MBFlyerfan


Yeah, I’m dying on that hill too. Patrick will have a better all around game
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 20 @ 5:08 PM ET
If and when we contend again, I’m hoping Patrick surpasses Sean Couturier as an offensive threat and star. I think we’re a much better team when Coots is assigned to the opposing team’s best superstar and asked to shut them down.
- SuperSchennBros


Futuristic lineup... current organizational forwards...this is tough to do. There are so many favorites coming up.

Lindblom - Patrick - TK
Farabee - Coots - G
Ratcliffe - Frost - Hayes
Laughton - Bunnaman - Sushko
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Aug 20 @ 5:13 PM ET
Futuristic lineup... current organizational forwards...this is tough to do. There are so many favorites coming up.

Lindblom - Patrick - TK
Farabee - Coots - G
Ratcliffe - Frost - Hayes
Laughton - Bunnaman - Sushko

- NC Flyers Fan


No love for Ruby? I like Cates in a bottom roll.

Fun look at and with so many possibilities. Like Hayes on a wing. Guessing Jake and JVR are traded.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 20 @ 5:13 PM ET
Even if he breaks out, i hope he does, still a long long way to go when talking about unseating Coots.
- ClaudeFather


No he doesn’t. Patrick is already better then what Coots was after two seasons.

Let me ask you a few questions.

1. If we don’t have a Connor McDavid, why wouldn’t you want Patrick surpassing Couturier’s 76 points per season and become a star in this league?

2. Who is a better shutdown center on this team then Sean Couturier? Having Couturier shutdown opposing players, shouldn’t mean he cannot post points.

To piggyback on my second question, name five players as good or better then Sean Couturier at shutting down top stars in the NHL? Ever team has an offensive threat, which is what I think Nolan Patrick will become. Nobody is saying he will become this, this coming season but we all hope 32 points can become 40 or even 50 this coming season.

It’s just strange to me that you wouldn’t want Patrick to surpass Couturier, especially with Patrick only being 20 years of age, going on 21 next month.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 20 @ 5:14 PM ET
No love for Ruby? I like Cates in a bottom roll.

Fun look at and with so many possibilities. Like Hayes on a wing. Guessing Jake and JVR are traded.

- peesinwind


You’re right. It was a tough call.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 5:17 PM ET
No he doesn’t. Patrick is already better then what Coots was after two seasons.

Let me ask you a few questions.

1. If we don’t have a Connor McDavid, why wouldn’t you want Patrick surpassing Couturier’s 76 points per season and become a star in this league?

2. Who is a better shutdown center on this team then Sean Couturier? Having Couturier shutdown opposing players, shouldn’t mean he cannot post points.

To piggyback on my second question, name five players as good or better then Sean Couturier at shutting down top stars in the NHL? Ever team has an offensive threat, which is what I think Nolan Patrick will become. Nobody is saying he will become this, this coming season but we all hope 32 points can become 40 or even 50 this coming season.

It’s just strange to me that you wouldn’t want Patrick to surpass Couturier, especially with Patrick only being 20 years of age, going on 21 next month.

- SuperSchennBros

1) Of course i would want this, just no sign of it happening next season.
2) I agree, Sean is in the Kopitar/Bergeron neighborhood of shutdown guys but guess what, those guys are not in strictly shutdown roles. When up a goal Coots plays the teams top lines but if we are looking for scoring there is nothing wrong with getting Coots and his line against lower competition. Why wouldn't we want him to get good matchups, especially situationally?
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Aug 20 @ 5:22 PM ET
No he doesn’t. Patrick is already better then what Coots was after two seasons.

Let me ask you a few questions.

1. If we don’t have a Connor McDavid, why wouldn’t you want Patrick surpassing Couturier’s 76 points per season and become a star in this league?

2. Who is a better shutdown center on this team then Sean Couturier? Having Couturier shutdown opposing players, shouldn’t mean he cannot post points.

To piggyback on my second question, name five players as good or better then Sean Couturier at shutting down top stars in the NHL? Ever team has an offensive threat, which is what I think Nolan Patrick will become. Nobody is saying he will become this, this coming season but we all hope 32 points can become 40 or even 50 this coming season.

It’s just strange to me that you wouldn’t want Patrick to surpass Couturier, especially with Patrick only being 20 years of age, going on 21 next month.

- SuperSchennBros


It sure would be nice if that were to happen sooner then later. Coots is a great player and his 2 way play is such a benefit for any team. If Patrick is good enough to take that 1C position in a couple years then this team is going to be hell to play.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 20 @ 5:35 PM ET
1) Of course i would want this, just no sign of it happening next season.
2) I agree, Sean is in the Kopitar/Bergeron neighborhood of shutdown guys but guess what, those guys are not in strictly shutdown roles. When up a goal Coots plays the teams top lines but if we are looking for scoring there is nothing wrong with getting Coots and his line against lower competition. Why wouldn't we want him to get good matchups, especially situationally?

- ClaudeFather


1. How is there no signs of Patrick getting better this season? It’s not like he went from a 30 point rookie season to a 20 point rookie season. Like, what were you expecting? I think we all expect better but he didn’t get worse. He’s a kid.

2. When you say “he”, are you talking about Sean Couturier or Nolan Patrick? I’m not concerned with Sean Couturier’s match up situation at all.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 20 @ 6:37 PM ET
I tend to agree and hope that turns out to be correct. However at some point, flashes of it aren't enough. I have concerns about his usage and linemates and how that is going to effect his ability to produce well offensively.
- MJL


Yeah, people seem to hang on flashes forever.

Consistency is the name of the game.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 20 @ 6:41 PM ET
Lol @ people who think NP will ever be anything close to Coots, much less surpass him on the depth chart.

(and that's not even a knock on NP, Coots is just ridiculously good)
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Aug 20 @ 6:44 PM ET
if the flyers are still floundering the next 2 years; say 1st rd playoff exits. Do you look to move couterier in the last year of his deal? Or do you sign him to a huge deal for big coin? while young in age he has a lot of mile son his body.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 20 @ 6:50 PM ET
if the flyers are still floundering the next 2 years; say 1st rd playoff exits. Do you look to move couterier in the last year of his deal? Or do you sign him to a huge deal for big coin? while young in age he has a lot of mile son his body.
- daryl stanley

you trade giroux
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