All of this plus.........

People tend to forget or overlook that last season was a perfect storm of bad luck. I don't think in in another 20 years we will see any team use 9 goalies or have the injury stats this team did at goaltender.

If our goalies stayed even remotely healthy last season, using only 4 or 5 might have made THE difference, that is how bad it was IMO.
- MBFlyerfan

It was like a Stephen King horror novel about hockey, last season. There have been a lot of seasons with incredible heartbreak on a grander scale, but you could not dream the 9 goalies up....at least not without some bad booze or drugs...think Bankers Club Vodka for starters

Any NHL team is going to answer the phone and hear what other teams are offering. I don't see how that speculation moves Couturier into that category.
- MJL

Yeah this is all speculation. Since Coots was never traded, after what may have been serious offers, I can speculate that he was a player they didn't trade too soon.

giving up on them wasnt the reason they were moved.
- daryl stanley

In my opinion, they were all trades I wish were never made, but yeah they had their reasons.

If I remember correctly teams were calling and asking about his availability, so yes even though Coots showed that he belonged right away, still doesn't mean the Flyers weren't listening to offers that could have potentially lead to him being traded, and thus added to the list of blunders (players traded too soon). Maybe add JvR to that list as well?
- bmoreflyer

I do remember the Preds tried to make a Weber trade during the offersheet and they wanted Couts and/or Schenn and we said no.

If I remember correctly teams were calling and asking about his availability, so yes even though Coots showed that he belonged right away, still doesn't mean the Flyers weren't listening to offers that could have potentially lead to him being traded, and thus added to the list of blunders (players traded too soon). Maybe add JvR to that list as well?
- bmoreflyer

So, by this logic, if the Flyers call Edmonton to inquire about McDavid, that means that Edmonton is looking to trade McDavid?

I do remember the Preds tried to make a Weber trade during the offersheet and they wanted Couts and/or Schenn and we said no.
- arichardson22

I could be wrong, but I think the ask was both of them +, and the Flyers refused to move both.

book it, he is a lock...



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- wcorvette

Yegor Zamula ll the way at 23rd makes me happy. A decade ago, he'd be a top-10 nominee. I'm really high on that kid.

So, by this logic, if the Flyers call Edmonton to inquire about McDavid, that means that Edmonton is looking to trade McDavid?
- jmatchett383

Maybe not inquires, but if they were listening to serious offers and Edmonton was contemplating making a deal or being open to a deal.

Maybe not inquires, but if they were listening to serious offers and Edmonton was contemplating making a deal or being open to a deal.
- bmoreflyer

Right...but without being in the room, how can you say the Flyers were considering trading Couturier (outside of Shea Weber) simply because people were calling them about him? Same applies to McDavid or any other player. A team simply calling to inquire about a player doesn't mean that player is being shopped or, as you put it "given up on."

Also, there was more reasons than simply "giving up on" those players you mentioned.

The Flyers didn't just go, "Screw Justin Williams and his being the 6th best scoring forward on the team despite only being 22 years old," one day out of the blue and decide to trade him. They needed to solidify their D and saw Markov as a guy who could jump in right away and help (and he did).

Bobrovsky was traded because he threatened to go back to Russia if he was going to be stuck behind Bryzgalov.

Sharp was traded because he was stuck behind a strong center cast in Philly and wasn't going to play meaningful NHL minutes, so they traded him for LW, a position of weakness. Obviously it didn't work out well, but they didn't just "give up on him."

Yegor Zamula ll the way at 23rd makes me happy. A decade ago, he'd be a top-10 nominee. I'm really high on that kid.
- jmatchett383

Yeah like him too...

Yegor Zamula ll the way at 23rd makes me happy. A decade ago, he'd be a top-10 nominee. I'm really high on that kid.
- jmatchett383

the list is kinda whack. I'm no Hagg fan but no way he should be behind NAK or Lazcynski considering he has 2 seasons of NHL experience under his belt. If they were talking about potential, maybe, but its supposed to be a list of the best players under 25

also super high on Zamula. def a project but the reward is great

the list is kinda whack. I'm no Hagg fan but no way he should be behind NAK or Lazcynski considering he has 2 seasons of NHL experience under his belt. If they were talking about potential, maybe, but its supposed to be a list of the best players under 25

also super high on Zamula. def a project but the reward is great
- bulet13

It's a bit too #fancy for you to understand, mortal.

It's a bit too #fancy for you to understand, mortal.
- jmatchett383

BSH = Fancyyyy

BSH = Fancyyyy
- ClaudeFather

We like him hit. We like him score. We like him plus/minus.

Konecny is likely to sign a 3 year deal 4.5 AAV within the next few days

Konecny is likely to sign a 3 year deal 4.5 AAV within the next few days
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

new source or same twitter fingers for past couple days now...

I could be wrong, but I think the ask was both of them +, and the Flyers refused to move both.
- jmatchett383

I think you’re right but I couldn’t remember which is why I said and/or. But glad we refused man!

new source or same twitter fingers for past couple days now...
- ClaudeFather

Probably the same. It came from Jason Myrtetus. Havent been searching hockey rumours all that much lately.

Probably the same. It came from Jason Myrtetus. Havent been searching hockey rumours all that much lately.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yea, same guy. Hopefully 3 years and true.

Yea, same guy. Hopefully 3 years and true.
- ClaudeFather

that would be a great AAV for TK for the next 3 years, and if he tears it up and deserves it, then we pay him. I still would rather a longer term, i thought something like 6 years 24 million could've gotten done, but i guess he wants more.

that would be a great AAV for TK for the next 3 years, and if he tears it up and deserves it, then we pay him. I still would rather a longer term, i thought something like 6 years 24 million could've gotten done, but i guess he wants more.
- sjk540

With two 20 goal campaigns already under his belt i doubt he'd sign for $4M long term, 3 years at $4.5 would be great.

Right...but without being in the room, how can you say the Flyers were considering trading Couturier (outside of Shea Weber) simply because people were calling them about him? Same applies to McDavid or any other player. A team simply calling to inquire about a player doesn't mean that player is being shopped or, as you put it "given up on."

Also, there was more reasons than simply "giving up on" those players you mentioned.

The Flyers didn't just go, "Screw Justin Williams and his being the 6th best scoring forward on the team despite only being 22 years old," one day out of the blue and decide to trade him. They needed to solidify their D and saw Markov as a guy who could jump in right away and help (and he did).

Bobrovsky was traded because he threatened to go back to Russia if he was going to be stuck behind Bryzgalov.

Sharp was traded because he was stuck behind a strong center cast in Philly and wasn't going to play meaningful NHL minutes, so they traded him for LW, a position of weakness. Obviously it didn't work out well, but they didn't just "give up on him."
- jmatchett383

All great points, maybe "giving up on" was not the right wording. However if Patrick has another down year, do they start leaning towards moving him? In my mind, that would be a mistake. They need to ride it out, give him more of a chance to grow into the player we all hope he will be.

All great points, maybe "giving up on" was not the right wording. However if Patrick has another down year, do they start leaning towards moving him? In my mind, that would be a mistake. They need to ride it out, give him more of a chance to grow into the player we all hope he will be.
- bmoreflyer

Why would they have to "move on from him"? He would just be playing bottom 6 and be a low cost player until, or if, he breaks out. It's not like Rubstov, Vorobyev, or any foruth line winger currently is gonna be better than him.

All great points, maybe "giving up on" was not the right wording. However if Patrick has another down year, do they start leaning towards moving him? In my mind, that would be a mistake. They need to ride it out, give him more of a chance to grow into the player we all hope he will be.
- bmoreflyer

I don't think they'd move him just to move him. Would they be more adept to taking offers on him? Sure. But I don't think they'd trade him for pennies on the dollar, either. I agree that I'd rather they ride it out with him. If nothing else, he'll probably end up as a decent 3C.

With two 20 goal campaigns already under his belt i doubt he'd sign for $4M long term, 3 years at $4.5 would be great.
- ClaudeFather

I would hope that type of term though would be the incentive to lesser the AAV. but a 3 year deal at 4.5 AAV that would be great, I mean, it wouldn't be too much of an overpay, if any, and it allows us another 3 years to see what TK is capable of.