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SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 20 @ 9:06 AM ET
For the record, I do think Patrick will be a first line center. Right now it’s just about growing into his body, health and who he plays with, not much different from Couturier.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 20 @ 9:10 AM ET
Good for you. You've got yourself a great career to look forward to in grammar checking hockey forums. Get a life.
- Baxter27


Don't be such a sensitive little snowflake.

It might actually help whatever career you hope to have when you grow up if you learn how to use words correctly.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Aug 20 @ 9:16 AM ET
For the record, I do think Patrick will be a first line center. Right now it’s just about growing into his body, health and who he plays with, not much different from Couturier.
- SuperSchennBros


I tend to agree, I think he's gonna be a damn good player in this league, he's only gonna be 21 too. I think the sky is the limit for him.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 20 @ 9:17 AM ET
Good for you. You've got yourself a great career to look forward to in grammar checking hockey forums. Get a life.
- Baxter27

Well he does need a day job. Clearly.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Aug 20 @ 9:33 AM ET
Off topic Question

Would anyone be interested in starting a forum fantasy hockey league? My league fell apart this year after a couple rough years so I'm looking to start another one. Maybe for 20 bucks through Yahoo, would anyone be interested at all?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 20 @ 9:36 AM ET
Don't be such a sensitive little snowflake.

It might actually help whatever career you hope to have when you grow up if you learn how to use words correctly.

- Feanor


I could of did better at school if I was learn grammar more gooder.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Aug 20 @ 10:05 AM ET
I could of did better at school if I was learn grammar more gooder.
- jmatchett383


Now that ain’t no way to say you’re wereds.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Aug 20 @ 10:16 AM ET
Show of hands from the fans actually excited for this season?
- SuperSchennBros



I am significantly more excited then i was going into last season ..

1. Proven coaching staff
2. More Hart
3. Better matchup for NoPa
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Aug 20 @ 10:19 AM ET
Off topic Question

Would anyone be interested in starting a forum fantasy hockey league? My league fell apart this year after a couple rough years so I'm looking to start another one. Maybe for 20 bucks through Yahoo, would anyone be interested at all?

- sjk540


Count me in..
I randomly join a few leagues on ESPN with people I dont know so would be more fun to get schooled in how to run a team by JoeGrief.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Aug 20 @ 10:37 AM ET
Count me in..
I randomly join a few leagues on ESPN with people I dont know so would be more fun to get schooled in how to run a team by JoeGrief.

- opeth_pa


We got 2, who else is in?

To make it easier, we can do a first come first serve with whoever is interested. The link to join is below, all standard stuff, nothing too crazy.

https://hockey.fantasyspo...lnk&ikey=44accb8e35d09d03
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 11:31 AM ET
We got 2, who else is in?

To make it easier, we can do a first come first serve with whoever is interested. The link to join is below, all standard stuff, nothing too crazy.

https://hockey.fantasyspo...lnk&ikey=44accb8e35d09d03

- sjk540

Just signed up
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Aug 20 @ 11:39 AM ET
Just signed up
- ClaudeFather


Nice, happy to have ya!
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 20 @ 11:48 AM ET
book it, he is a lock...



https://www.broadstreetho...hl-lehigh-valley-phantoms
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Aug 20 @ 11:50 AM ET
I am significantly more excited then i was going into last season ..

1. Proven coaching staff
2. More Hart
3. Better matchup for NoPa

- opeth_pa


and

4) Experienced higher quality D signings to help some players mature. Less of a s&#! show in the d zone.

5) And no I dont think the free agent center or D signings will lead to a pyrrhic victory down the road
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 11:52 AM ET
book it, he is a lock...



https://www.broadstreetho...hl-lehigh-valley-phantoms

- wcorvette

Not a huge fan of BSH, bunch of advanced stats nerds. Once in a while they have decent pieces.
bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Aug 20 @ 11:55 AM ET
Flyers have a history of giving up on prospects before they reach their potential, i.e Sharp, Williams, Bob.. Recently though they bucked that trend by sticking with Coots after some fans were screaming bust and to trade him prior to him breaking out.

My question is, if Patrick has a down season this year at the 3C role, do Flyers start exploring trade options like the blunders of the past, or do they give him the time the gave Coots to finally develop and break out?
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 20 @ 11:56 AM ET
and

4) Experienced higher quality D signings to help some players mature. Less of a s&#! show in the d zone.

5) And no I dont think the free agent center or D signings will lead to a pyrrhic victory down the road

- RajaAmpat



I think 2 underrated items this offseason

having an experienced coach and the playoff experience mentality of Niskanen and Braun.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 11:59 AM ET
Flyers have a history of giving up on prospects before they reach their potential, i.e Sharp, Williams, Bob.. Recently though they bucked that trend by sticking with Coots after some fans were screaming bust and to trade him prior to him breaking out.

My question is, if Patrick has a down season this year at the 3C role, do Flyers start exploring trade options like the blunders of the past, or do they give him the time the gave Coots to finally develop and break out?

- bmoreflyer

If he had a down year at 3C I see no point in trading him, his value won't be much. Why not keep a kid that still has potential and is cheap to resign for the bottom 6?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 12:00 PM ET
Flyers have a history of giving up on prospects before they reach their potential, i.e Sharp, Williams, Bob.. Recently though they bucked that trend by sticking with Coots after some fans were screaming bust and to trade him prior to him breaking out.

My question is, if Patrick has a down season this year at the 3C role, do Flyers start exploring trade options like the blunders of the past, or do they give him the time the gave Coots to finally develop and break out?

- bmoreflyer



Personally, I don't think Couturier can be included in that premise. He showed he was an NHL player pretty much from day one in the league. What some uninformed fans were screaming is really not relevant.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 20 @ 12:00 PM ET
and

4) Experienced higher quality D signings to help some players mature. Less of a s&#! show in the d zone.

5) And no I dont think the free agent center or D signings will lead to a pyrrhic victory down the road

- RajaAmpat




All of this plus.........

People tend to forget or overlook that last season was a perfect storm of bad luck. I don't think in in another 20 years we will see any team use 9 goalies or have the injury stats this team did at goaltender.

If our goalies stayed even remotely healthy last season, using only 4 or 5 might have made THE difference, that is how bad it was IMO.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Aug 20 @ 12:04 PM ET
All of this plus.........

People tend to forget or overlook that last season was a perfect storm of bad luck. I don't think in in another 20 years we will see any team use 9 goalies or have the injury stats this team did at goaltender.

If our goalies stayed even remotely healthy last season, using only 4 or 5 might have made THE difference, that is how bad it was IMO.

- MBFlyerfan

Combined with two playoff teams that got extraordinary goaltending from a couple guys in Carolina and Islanders.
bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Aug 20 @ 12:16 PM ET
Personally, I don't think Couturier can be included in that premise. He showed he was an NHL player pretty much from day one in the league. What some uninformed fans were screaming is really not relevant.
- MJL


If I remember correctly teams were calling and asking about his availability, so yes even though Coots showed that he belonged right away, still doesn't mean the Flyers weren't listening to offers that could have potentially lead to him being traded, and thus added to the list of blunders (players traded too soon). Maybe add JvR to that list as well?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 12:19 PM ET
If I remember correctly teams were calling and asking about his availability, so yes even though Coots showed that he belonged right away, still doesn't mean the Flyers weren't listening to offers that could have potentially lead to him being traded, and thus added to the list of blunders (players traded too soon). Maybe add JvR to that list as well?
- bmoreflyer



Any NHL team is going to answer the phone and hear what other teams are offering. I don't see how that speculation moves Couturier into that category.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Aug 20 @ 12:21 PM ET
Flyers have a history of giving up on prospects before they reach their potential, i.e Sharp, Williams, Bob.. Recently though they bucked that trend by sticking with Coots after some fans were screaming bust and to trade him prior to him breaking out.

My question is, if Patrick has a down season this year at the 3C role, do Flyers start exploring trade options like the blunders of the past, or do they give him the time the gave Coots to finally develop and break out?

- bmoreflyer

giving up on them wasnt the reason they were moved.
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Aug 20 @ 12:26 PM ET
I think 2 underrated items this offseason

having an experienced coach and the playoff experience mentality of Niskanen and Braun.

- wcorvette


Best available was the mantra this year and I agree with you on both points.
I have issues with Therrien, but not in an assistants role.
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