No no no, you're not answering anything, you haven't made any clear statement on what my question to you is, it has nothing to do with my not getting anything since you are not answering the original question. What you're doing however is going into one of your circular logic games.

I am asking you a question, whether you want to answer or even have the ability to answer, or don't know (which is fine, people don't know everything), I don't know.

the question remains, if it's more than blow them away, if its going to take more than simply being far and away the 2 best players in camp, what does Joel Farabee or Morgan Frost need to do, in your opinion, to make the opening night roster?

and by the way, when you say things like these players would have to force the team into making the decision to have them on the opening night roster, yet tell me that they would have to do more than just go above and beyond and be the best players in camp to make the team, thats a contradiction. The most they can do is be the two best players in the camp, thats the tippy top, thats a fact. What youre saying is theyd have to force the team to make a decision, but even being the two best players in camp, that wouldnt be enough to force their decision. How is that not a contradiction?
- sjk540

No it's not a contradiction. It's obvious that you don't understand what they'll need to do to make the team. You think it involves "dazzle". It doesn't. You think it involves being the best player in camp and pre-season. It doesn't. I have answered the question you keep asking, you just don't realize it. Ordinarily I would have no issue going more in depth spelling out what you're missing but not with your current tone. If you want to have any further conversation, try being less adversarial.

Personally I'd be playing Patrick with Voracek and JVR and Hayes with Lindblom and whoever the other winger is going to be. I think it's important to play Patrick with good offensive players to help him breakout.
- MJL

sp helping patrick "breakout" is dependent on him having other quality wingers? every player wants to play good offensive players i would think. If patrick is as good as many think he should be able to lift up other players no?

I see building 3 strong scoring lines as well as giving Patrick players that can help him break out being far more important than the 4th line makeup.

One of the reasons of putting together the Laughton/Hayes/Lindblom line is the defensive makeup of the trio and that they can be played against top lines.
- MJL

I like the idea of a Laughton/Hayes/Lindblom line... maybe at the end of a close game (of which we're winning), shorten the bench. Or, maybe at home when we get to pick who's out on the ice last. Where we can load up on a Jake/Patrick/JVR for an offensive zone draw. Although, not sure if I can support this Patrick line in a zero-zero away game against a speedy team.

No it's not a contradiction. It's obvious that you don't understand what they'll need to do to make the team. You think it involves "dazzle". It doesn't. You think it involves being the best player in camp and pre-season. It doesn't. I have answered the question you keep asking, you just don't realize it. Ordinarily I would have no issue going more in depth spelling out what you're missing but not with your current tone. If you want to have any further conversation, try being less adversarial.
- MJL

you clearly don't know what contradiction means huh? No bother, all good if you think that. Also, not sure why you think you've answered anything, you haven't. You continue to say over and over you have answered it, yet I see no answers. As I said, its fine if you don't know. I have an idea of what they need to do, they clearly need to show they belong. They need to show maturity and poise and not just the top end talent that got them here. They need to know situational play and they need to have the conditioning to stand up to an 82 game schedule (plus lord willing, playoffs). There could be more things, but that's what I got so far. All I was doing was asking a simple question and you couldn't even answer it, as I said, it's fine to not know.

Additionally, I am not sure how you can infer any type of tone simply by reading words from a page. No where have i inferred aggression with capital letters or exclamation points, or anything resembling aggression that you can do when writing or typing. Just like the other day when you couldn't find any evidence of me saying something that you vehemently said I did, you realize here you contradicted yourself. It happens to the best of us bud, just shake it off, it's not the end of the world. maybe you misinterpreted me saying, "no no no", but I was saying that matter-of-factly, not in any aggressive way.

you clearly don't know what contradiction means huh? No bother, all good if you think that. Also, not sure why you think you've answered anything, you haven't. You continue to say over and over you have answered it, yet I see no answers. As I said, its fine if you don't know. I have an idea of what they need to do, they clearly need to show they belong. They need to show maturity and poise and not just the top end talent that got them here. They need to know situational play and they need to have the conditioning to stand up to an 82 game schedule (plus lord willing, playoffs). There could be more things, but that's what I got so far. All I was doing was asking a simple question and you couldn't even answer it, as I said, it's fine to not know.

Additionally, I am not sure how you can infer any type of tone simply by reading words from a page. No where have i inferred aggression with capital letters or exclamation points, or anything resembling aggression that you can do when writing or typing. Just like the other day when you couldn't find any evidence of me saying something that you vehemently said I did, you realize here you contradicted yourself. It happens to the best of us bud, just shake it off, it's not the end of the world. maybe you misinterpreted me saying, "no no no", but I was saying that matter-of-factly, not in any aggressive way.
- sjk540

You're obviously the one who has made this "conversation" into more than about Frost and Farabee and into something more. Now telling me I don't understand what a contradiction is while accusing me of a circular argument! LOL
How can I be making a circular argument when I haven't moved off of my original statements? You may not like them, agree with them, or understand them but again, not my problem. I don't think you do understand what they have to do to make the team. I think you'll be one of the fans questioning it when they send them down. That is also not my problem. You have this repeated pattern of tying to pawn off your mistakes on me with shake it off, happens to the best of us and other nonsense. I have no time for it. My opinions are clear and on record.

For (frank)'s sake

Let's go Flyers!

You're obviously the one who has made this "conversation" into more than about Frost and Farabee and into something more. Now telling me I don't understand what a contradiction is while accusing me of a circular argument! LOL
How can I be making a circular argument when I haven't moved off of my original statements? You may not like them, agree with them, or understand them but again, not my problem. I don't think you do understand what they have to do to make the team. I think you'll be one of the fans questioning it when they send them down. That is also not my problem. You have this repeated pattern of tying to pawn off your mistakes on me with shake it off, happens to the best of us and other nonsense. I have no time for it. My opinions are clear and on record.
- MJL

all i asked was the seemingly simple question of what specifically it would take, in your opinion, for them to make it. Thats it, that's honestly it, nothing more. And how did I make this conversation into more than Frost and Farabee? All I want to know is what I just said, nothing more, nothing less, specifically only about Frost and Farabee.

This is laughable man, this is approaching the realm of delusion on your part if you truly believe anything of what you just said.

Ill move on, have a good one.

For (frank)'s sake

Let's go Flyers!
- jmatchett383

Amen that brotha! I'm officially done with anything relating to MJL, it's just a lost cause at the end of the day.

No it's not a contradiction. It's obvious that you don't understand what they'll need to do to make the team. You think it involves "dazzle". It doesn't. You think it involves being the best player in camp and pre-season. It doesn't. I have answered the question you keep asking, you just don't realize it. Ordinarily I would have no issue going more in depth spelling out what you're missing but not with your current tone. If you want to have any further conversation, try being less adversarial.
- MJL

That is false. Those things will be part of the process of them making the team. Not the only thing as several variables involved. def part of it.

Amen that brotha! I'm officially done with anything relating to MJL, it's just a lost cause at the end of the day.
- sjk540

You can't fight arrogantly blind defiance.

Not that I'm referring to someone by that. Just a general, unrelated statement .

You can't fight arrogantly blind defiance.

Not that I'm referring to someone by that. Just a general, unrelated statement .
- jmatchett383

You can't fight arrogantly blind defiance.

Not that I'm referring to someone by that. Just a general, unrelated statement .
- jmatchett383

truer words my friend, truer words....

I don't think it makes sense to have Rubtsov playing the 4C role at age 21 when he's never got a chance to develop offensively at the AHL level. I think Vorobyev is a much better candidate if Laughton will be used as a 3rd line wing while Frost & Farabee start in the AHL.
- Feanor

Yeah. I would like to see him in the AHL for at least a half of a year. Though, since his draft he has been finding himself in the shut down center role and PK role. It’s like coaches recognize his defensive abilities early and he slides into those roles. Vorobyev is good on the PK but as I recall was awful in taking draws. You can’t have a guy who loses draws like he did last year in the defensive end of the ice. He needs to clean that up as a minimum for sure.

Yeah. I would like to see him in the AHL for at least a half of a year. Though, since his draft he has been finding himself in the shut down center role and PK role. It’s like coaches recognize his defensive abilities early and he slides into those roles. Vorobyev is good on the PK but as I recall was awful in taking draws. You can’t have a guy who loses draws like he did last year in the defensive end of the ice. He needs to clean that up as a minimum for sure.
- peesinwind

But the #fancystats say that faceoffs don't really matter.

But the #fancystats say that faceoffs don't really matter.
- jmatchett383

Haha. You got me on that one. Go fancy stats. My bad🤣

Amen that brotha! I'm officially done with anything relating to MJL, it's just a lost cause at the end of the day.
- sjk540

my opinion

Frost or Farabee would need to be really good in camp. Not just really good but bring something the current team needs that will elevate the squad, something another player is not providing. What they provide needs to be well beyond a vet going for the same spot, AKA 3RW. They need to show D awareness and great play away from the puck. In essence always be on the right side of the puck. If it is close or even if they are just a little better, they are better served going to the AHL and being a big part of a lesser thing. The last thing in my opinion, is they need the other candidates to falter a little bit.

Nichushkin signed with the AVS

all i asked was the seemingly simple question of what specifically it would take, in your opinion, for them to make it. Thats it, that's honestly it, nothing more. And how did I make this conversation into more than Frost and Farabee? All I want to know is what I just said, nothing more, nothing less, specifically only about Frost and Farabee.

This is laughable man, this is approaching the realm of delusion on your part if you truly believe anything of what you just said.

Ill move on, have a good one.
- sjk540

I stated what I thought it would take on a previous page of this thread. I agree, you have made this a laughable situation. Accusing me of circular arguments, contradictions, etc. That's the simple facts. It's on you.

my opinion

Frost or Farabee would need to be really good in camp. Not just really good but bring something the current team needs that will elevate the squad, something another player is not providing. What they provide needs to be well beyond a vet going for the same spot, AKA 3RW. They need to show D awareness and great play away from the puck. In essence always be on the right side of the puck. If it is close or even if they are just a little better, they are better served going to the AHL and being a big part of a lesser thing. The last thing in my opinion, is they need the other candidates to falter a little bit.
- wcorvette

Some of what you said goes towards some of what I said earlier. There are also issues that are beyond their control that will factor in. Such as how other players are also playing. In Farabee's circumstance, his contract situation with being slide eligible works against him.

my opinion

Frost or Farabee would need to be really good in camp. Not just really good but bring something the current team needs that will elevate the squad, something another player is not providing. What they provide needs to be well beyond a vet going for the same spot, AKA 3RW. They need to show D awareness and great play away from the puck. In essence always be on the right side of the puck. If it is close or even if they are just a little better, they are better served going to the AHL and being a big part of a lesser thing. The last thing in my opinion, is they need the other candidates to falter a little bit.
- wcorvette

I think this is the most important part, and it aligns with something else MJL pointed out which is the physical toll of an 82 game season.

Not many athletes are in their prime at 19/20 years old, and we're all aware the damage a full season in the NHL can do to guys already in their prime.

If they're not decidedly no-brainers through camp/preseason, I think their development will be stronger in the A.

I think this is the most important part, and it aligns with something else MJL pointed out which is the physical toll of an 82 game season.

Not many athletes are in their prime at 19/20 years old, and we're all aware the damage a full season in the NHL can do to guys already in their prime.

If they're not decidedly no-brainers through camp/preseason, I think their development will be stronger in the A.
- GrittySauce

I think I read that Frost was 190 right now. That is probably his best playing weight. If his game is up to his weight and he has improved at playing at a faster pace, he has a shot...

I think this is the most important part, and it aligns with something else MJL pointed out which is the physical toll of an 82 game season.

Not many athletes are in their prime at 19/20 years old, and we're all aware the damage a full season in the NHL can do to guys already in their prime.

If they're not decidedly no-brainers through camp/preseason, I think their development will be stronger in the A.
- GrittySauce

Wait, I pointed something out about what it's going to take! I was told I didn't do that!

Nichushkin to the Avs

https://www.prohockeyrumo...h-colorado-avalanche.html

Thought he would've been a solid, low risk, guy to bring in to camp on a 1 year contract for that 3 RW spot, but I guess we already had that guy with Stewart. Still, no competition is bad competition.

Some of what you said goes towards some of what I said earlier. There are also issues that are beyond their control that will factor in. Such as how other players are also playing. In Farabee's circumstance, his contract situation with being slide eligible works against him.
- MJL

With Farabee it is a benefit to have him slide a year but the bottom line. If he makes the team better then one of the vets and the durability factor has confidence then they will use him I think. With that being said he and guys like Frost will have to show they are moderately or maybe even severely better then a vet to win a spot out of camp. I think that is not likely to happen. Like mentioned. Most likely needing a combination of a great performance and some others to vaulter.

For some reason I see this typo all the time on hockey forums, and never anywhere else online.
- Feanor

Good for you. You've got yourself a great career to look forward to in grammar checking hockey forums. Get a life.