In terms of bubble players, nobody knows who fits where until they’re seen some reps in practice and the staff has spoken internally. There is no real point in talking about it.

you are correct, raffle wasnt signed for 2 years to sit.

Me I don't want German to get pigeon holed on as a 4th line player just yet. Rather let him play top line phantoms to develop his offensive game. If that means you may need to get a 4th line center off the free agent scrap heap so be it or another internal option
- daryl stanley

conversely however, as we saw this year with the two teams in the stanley cup, having a strong fourth line is essential. I dont think anyone would say Rubstov is an offensive starm, perhaps getting used to the NHL grind in a 4th line role would help him acclimate to the NHL as a whole.

My initial thoughts are that the Flyers are going to want to take advantage of Farabee's eligibility to slide and that Frost will need sometime in the AHL to mature. I think either player will need to force the Flyers into putting them on the team out of camp. I also think the fans will be out in force when they send them both to the Phantoms.

It's almost time for Flyers Preseason Clue. Which camp schlub is going to injure one of our important pieces and where?

I'm saying Chris Stewart in the corner boards with Frost.

that is a different take. I like the spread of speed and size. We know Raffle is going to start, who comes out if he is in?
- wcorvette

Probably Rubtsov

conversely however, as we saw this year with the two teams in the stanley cup, having a strong fourth line is essential. I dont think anyone would say Rubstov is an offensive starm, perhaps getting used to the NHL grind in a 4th line role would help him acclimate to the NHL as a whole.
- sjk540

they can still have a strong 4th line without german

My initial thoughts are that the Flyers are going to want to take advantage of Farabee's eligibility to slide and that Frost will need sometime in the AHL to mature. I think either player will need to force the Flyers into putting them on the team out of camp. I also think the fans will be out in force when they send them both to the Phantoms.
- MJL

if hextall was still GM i agree. With the current one all bets are off. If he lights it up or plays very well i can easily see him making the team. Dont think that will be a consideration at all.

they can still have a strong 4th line without german
- daryl stanley

well sure they can, but why not include him if he's ready and can help more so than other guys? would be nice to have an above average talented 4th line no?

My initial thoughts are that the Flyers are going to want to take advantage of Farabee's eligibility to slide and that Frost will need sometime in the AHL to mature. I think either player will need to force the Flyers into putting them on the team out of camp. I also think the fans will be out in force when they send them both to the Phantoms.
- MJL

Thinking about it more and more, as much as I would love to see a Farabee or Frost begin the year on the big club, I think a year in the AHL would do them good, or at least to begin their seasons there, in terms of their development obviously. But the added aspect of having their contracts slide for another year, also helps the team in the big picture. Its been beaten to death, but unless they absolutely 100% dazzle in camp, they should be in the A.

Thinking about it more and more, as much as I would love to see a Farabee or Frost begin the year on the big club, I think a year in the AHL would do them good, or at least to begin their seasons there, in terms of their development obviously. But the added aspect of having their contracts slide for another year, also helps the team in the big picture. Its been beaten to death, but unless they absolutely 100% dazzle in camp, they should be in the A.
- sjk540

Frost’s contract doesn’t slide, only Farabee’s

Frost’s contract doesn’t slide, only Farabee’s
- BiggE

maybe my understanding is off, why wouldn't Frost be slide eligible?

maybe my understanding is off, why wouldn't Frost be slide eligible?
- sjk540

Bill once explained this in the comments after I asked the same question. Farabee is slide eligible (not using one of his 3 ELC years) because he's under 20 years old and came from college last year. He can play in the AHL despite being under 20 because he comes from college and there's no junior team for him to go back to. Frost would use one of his 3 ELC years in the AHL because he's the correct AHL age after playing in Canadian juniors, just like how Myers, Sanheim, etc all used ELC years in the AHL.

Thinking about it more and more, as much as I would love to see a Farabee or Frost begin the year on the big club, I think a year in the AHL would do them good, or at least to begin their seasons there, in terms of their development obviously. But the added aspect of having their contracts slide for another year, also helps the team in the big picture. Its been beaten to death, but unless they absolutely 100% dazzle in camp, they should be in the A.
- sjk540

I don't think Frost is slide eligible. They'd need to show more than just dazzle in camp.

maybe my understanding is off, why wouldn't Frost be slide eligible?
- sjk540

I believe because he's 20. Farabee is 19 and out of college.

I don't think Frost is slide eligible. They'd need to show more than just dazzle in camp.
- MJL

Thats what i mean by dazzle. wow the pants off, blow away, dazzle, explode, whatever verb you'd like to use there.

My initial thoughts are that the Flyers are going to want to take advantage of Farabee's eligibility to slide and that Frost will need sometime in the AHL to mature. I think either player will need to force the Flyers into putting them on the team out of camp. I also think the fans will be out in force when they send them both to the Phantoms.
- MJL

yeah I'll give this one a 100%

I'm warming up to the idea of loading up the top line with 28/14/93.

I think Pitlick very well could be your 3rd line wing.

Way too early to predict who comes in for the 4th line.

I don’t think anyone is writing anyone off. In order to grab a job or catch the attention of coaches, scouts and fans, you have to show you belong. The players you named haven’t shown anything. Scott Laughton hasn’t shown much until two or three years ago.
- SuperSchennBros

Well last year he was excellent sometimes with almost 20 minutes TOI
A bit much for a 4th liner

Thats what i mean by dazzle. wow the pants off, blow away, dazzle, explode, whatever verb you'd like to use there.
- sjk540

It's not about which verb is used. They could both by far be the best players in camp and pre-season and they still would need to show more. They would need to convince management that they could play at a high level against NHL competition as well as convince them that their level of play and compete would hold up over a full NHL season. Especially in the case of Farabee.

That's where I don't agree. They could both by far be the best players in camp and pre-season and they still would need to show more. They would need to convince management that they could play at a high level against NHL competition as well as convince them that their level of play and compete would hold up over a full NHL season. Especially in the case of Farabee.
- MJL

So being the top players in camp AND in preseason, BY FAR, is not showing/convinving management they belong in the NHL? If they are by far and away the two best players in the camp, and completely blow away Fletch and AV and prove they belong, how else would they go about convincing them?

So being the top players in camp AND in preseason, BY FAR, is not showing/convinving management they belong in the NHL? If they are by far and away the two best players in the camp, and completely blow away Fletch and AV and prove they belong, how else would they go about convincing them?
- sjk540

The level of competition in the pre season is well below the level of the NHL regular season. It's far more about their physical strength, their stamina, how they handle battles rather than just about any "dazzling" of skill they put on. More so with Farabee.

It's not about which verb is used. They could both by far be the best players in camp and pre-season and they still would need to show more. They would need to convince management that they could play at a high level against NHL competition as well as convince them that their level of play and compete would hold up over a full NHL season. Especially in the case of Farabee.
- MJL

I think we forget camp and preseason are just that, you play against other teams young players trying to make the NHL. Add in that it is a short look and there is a lot more to it then camp.

Well last year he was excellent sometimes with almost 20 minutes TOI
A bit much for a 4th liner
- goenzoy

Well when you’ve got rely on Corbin Knight, Phil Verone and Justin Bailey, what else can you do?

When you look at depth and goaltending, last season was about as bad as I’ve ever seen.

I think we forget camp and preseason are just that, you play against other teams young players trying to make the NHL. Add in that it is a short look and there is a lot more to it then camp.
- wcorvette

Cases in point: Jon Sim, Mike Pyorala, Mikhail Vorobyov. All 3 had phenomenal camp/preseasons. Once the regular season rolled around, they went back to being Jon Sim, Mike Pyorala, and Mikhail Vorobyov.

If Frost and Farabee make the team, it won't be by being flashy and scoring highlight-reel goals (which won't hurt), it will be about showing that they can handle their roles both mentally and physically for 82 games. How exactly they do that is in the eyes of the coach and GM.

Cases in point: Jon Sim, Mike Pyorala, Mikhail Vorobyov. All 3 had phenomenal camp/preseasons. Once the regular season rolled around, they went back to being Jon Sim, Mike Pyorala, and Mikhail Vorobyov.
- jmatchett383

I was never a fan of all three. Was Andreas Nodl every one?