That's why Gardiner isn't signed yet. He's rejected every team. He might be too great for the NHL.
- gergeswillems

Not true, Gardiner is just waiting to sign with Seattle. Apparently, it's was his childhood dream to play there. Even had the pj's as a young lad

I would have LOVED to see what Bobby Orr and Mike Bossy would have done with full careers.............would have been incredible to see. Bossy only played 10 seasons and had almost 600 goals, I think had he stayed healthy he would have had more than Gretzky
- sensarmy_11

That's always a tough one. If you're arguing health vs. overall results - if Lemieux had been healthy, he also stood a great chance of breaking some of Gretzky's records.

But Bossy probably would have. Bossy retired at 30.

Looking at the era, over the next 10 years after Bossy retired (at 30), Garter (28) would score 373 goals, Cicarelli (27) would score 327 goals, Messier (28) would score 310 goals, and Kurri (27) would score 247 goals.

Bossy was 321 goals short of Gretkzy's record.

That's always a tough one. If you're arguing health vs. overall results - if Lemieux had been healthy, he also stood a great chance of breaking some of Gretzky's records.

But Bossy probably would have. Bossy retired at 30.

Looking at the era, over the next 10 years after Bossy retired (at 30), Garter (28) would score 373 goals, Cicarelli (27) would score 327 goals, Messier (28) would score 310 goals, and Kurri (27) would score 247 goals.

Bossy was 321 goals short of Gretkzy's record.
- Monkeypunk

It's tough to say but I do think Bossy would have been the record holder for most goals scored. Even if he played in the "trap era"

It's tough to say but I do think Bossy would have been the record holder for most goals scored. Even if he played in the "trap era"
- PatC80

Yeah. I look at this way - Gartner was a good goal scorer. He had a good shot - and had a 14% shooting percentage over his career. He scored 50 once - in 1984/85 (he had a 15.1% shooting percentage that year - this was of course before such phrases as "regression to the mean" would exist so his performance was sustainable).

The League average shooting percentage in 84/85 was 12.7% (as opposed to 9.5% now - I choose to believe the larger variation was due to Palmateer no longer playing, and I am not going to look at numbers from 1977 to prove this, so we'll just assume I'm right).

Bossy had a great shot. He had a 21% shooting percentage over his career. He scored over 60 5 times and in 84/85, he had 58.

If Gartner would go on to score 370 over the next 10 years, it's hard for me to believe that Bossy wouldn't have score more - or at the very least the required 327 to hold the all time record.

Yeah. I look at this way - Gartner was a good goal scorer. He had a good shot - and had a 14% shooting percentage over his career. He scored 50 once - in 1984/85 (he had a 15.1% shooting percentage that year - this was of course before such phrases as "regression to the mean" would exist so his performance was sustainable).

The League average shooting percentage in 84/85 was 12.7% (as opposed to 9.5% now - I choose to believe the larger variation was due to Palmateer no longer playing, and I am not going to look at numbers from 1977 to prove this, so we'll just assume I'm right).

Bossy had a great shot. He had a 21% shooting percentage over his career. He scored over 60 5 times and in 84/85, he had 58.

If Gartner would go on to score 370 over the next 10 years, it's hard for me to believe that Bossy wouldn't have score more - or at the very least the required 327 to hold the all time record.
- Monkeypunk

You take that back, Palmateer was, and still is awesome.

It's tough to say but I do think Bossy would have been the record holder for most goals scored. Even if he played in the "trap era"
- PatC80

OV goings to break it.

Yeah. I look at this way - Gartner was a good goal scorer. He had a good shot - and had a 14% shooting percentage over his career. He scored 50 once - in 1984/85 (he had a 15.1% shooting percentage that year - this was of course before such phrases as "regression to the mean" would exist so his performance was sustainable).

The League average shooting percentage in 84/85 was 12.7% (as opposed to 9.5% now - I choose to believe the larger variation was due to Palmateer no longer playing, and I am not going to look at numbers from 1977 to prove this, so we'll just assume I'm right).

Bossy had a great shot. He had a 21% shooting percentage over his career. He scored over 60 5 times and in 84/85, he had 58.

If Gartner would go on to score 370 over the next 10 years, it's hard for me to believe that Bossy wouldn't have score more - or at the very least the required 327 to hold the all time record.
- Monkeypunk

he's almost never mentioned with the "greats" of the game, but IMO he's the best pure goal scorer the league has ever seen

You take that back, Palmateer was, and still is awesome.
- PatC80

Re-read it. I'm implying that shooters got 3% better because Palmateer wasn't playing anymore!

OV goings to break it.
- AdamFrench

Do you really think so?

Personally, I don't. I didn't think he'd get 40+ and 50+ the last two years, though, so who knows! But he still needs 236 goals, and turns 34 next month.

Do you really think so?

Personally, I don't. I didn't think he'd get 40+ and 50+ the last two years, though, so who knows! But he still needs 236 goals, and turns 34 next month.
- Monkeypunk

If he plays to 40 and averages just 40 goals, which he's still putting up 50, so why the hell not, then he would overtake him. Guys never been hurt either. It's his passion (though that's never been his issue) and the money he'll want that might be the hurdle going forward.

OV goings to break it.
- AdamFrench

I kinda hope he doesn't

Re-read it. I'm implying that shooters got 3% better because Palmateer wasn't playing anymore!
- Monkeypunk

That's better, I was gonna to report your post

That's better
- PatC80

OV goings to break it.
- AdamFrench

No he's not.

I kinda hope he doesn't
- PatC80

I dunno. No offense to Wayne, but he's the best set up man of all time, not the best goal scorer. What OV has done with goalies being 1000x better than they were in the 80's is nuts. He'll at least be the PP goal leader when all is said and done regardless if he catches Wayne.

I dunno. No offense to Wayne, but he's the best set up man of all time, not the best goal scorer. What OV has done with goalies being 1000x better than they were in the 80's is nuts. He'll at least be the PP goal leader when all is said and done regardless if he catches Wayne.
- AdamFrench

I don't see Ovi scoring 40 when he's 40, although I have been wrong before.. (Re; MonkeyPuck's comment on Mike Palmateer)

I don't see Ovi scoring 40 when he's 40, although I have been wrong before.. (Re; MonkeyPuck's comment on Mike Palmateer)
- PatC80

He's 33 and leading the league with 50+ goals. He's fueled by cocaine, booze, hookers and roids. Who is to say he won't be potting one timers at 55?

OV goings to break it.
- AdamFrench

I don't think he will......he'd have to average 40+ goals for the next 6 years, which would put him at 40 years old

I can't see him doing that........he's still 246 goals short, and he'll be 34 when the season starts

He's 33 and leading the league with 50+ goals. He's fueled by cocaine, booze, hookers and roids. Who is to say he won't be potting one timers at 55?
- AdamFrench

You rang?

If he plays to 40 and averages just 40 goals, which he's still putting up 50, so why the hell not, then he would overtake him. Guys never been hurt either. It's his passion (though that's never been his issue) and the money he'll want that might be the hurdle going forward.
- AdamFrench

Reading forward - I sort of agree with Pat - I also hope he doesn't. I will fully accept the Ov is one of the best goal scorers of all time. But I don't like him all that much. I think my biggest problem with him is just that there's a special set of rules that apply to him and it bugs the crap out of me. Any other player charging and leaving their feet consistently to deliver hits would be suspended constantly.

I go with the standard athletic curve. It gets harder and harder and harder to stay in elite game shape after 30. You have to physically work harder and harder every year just to get to the level you used to coast to be at, and then you need to work hard just to maintain it. I think he actually noticed this 2 years ago when he turned his game back around.

Ov is exceptionally strong already, so that's an advantage, and as long as he has the competitive fire, I think he can maintain 40 for 3 more years.

As I said, I doubt he does it just based on standard decline, but I wouldn't write him off.

You rang?
- RickJames77

DARKNESS! HOW ARE YA CHARLIE MURPHY?!

DARKNESS! HOW ARE YA CHARLIE MURPHY?!
- AdamFrench

lololol

Just watched this for the 72nd time - well worth the 3:24

I would have LOVED to see what Bobby Orr and Mike Bossy would have done with full careers.............would have been incredible to see. Bossy only played 10 seasons and had almost 600 goals, I think had he stayed healthy he would have had more than Gretzky
- sensarmy_11

I'm not old enough to have watched those guys but it would have been great.

For me, I would have loved it if Lindros could've been healthy.

DARKNESS! HOW ARE YA CHARLIE MURPHY?!
- AdamFrench

MY BROTHER, YOU KNOW, HE'S A LOT MORE COMPASSIONATE THAN I AM. HE'S LOOKING AND THE LIMO'S DRIVIN' OFF, AND HE SAID, "WOW, MAN, RICK REALLY NEEDS HELP" AND I WAS LIKE, "YO, WE JUST GAVE HIM SOME HELP. BUST HIS (frank)IN' ASS AND poop. I BET YOU HE WON'T COME OVER HERE AND DISRESPECT LIKE THAT AGAIN. WRONG.WRONG.WE'RE TALKIN' ABOUT RICK JAMES, MAN.

- COCAINE'S A HELL OF A DRUG.

He's 33 and leading the league with 50+ goals. He's fueled by cocaine, booze, hookers and roids. Who is to say he won't be potting one timers at 55?
- AdamFrench

Also, has a 1 yr old son, he'll soon focus more on his childrens