Sure. No question. We’ve lost players in recent years though. The Flyers have lost players in recent years. Mostly due to age but Brayden Schenn, love or hate the deal, we became a lesser team on the ice without him. Moving forward I don’t want to see another deal that sees us lose another young productive player because draft picks Entices management.
- SuperSchennBros

The time in which we did trade Schenn, if we kept him, would we have been a contender? could we afford him for what he was asking for a team that was barely a bubble playoff team? Hexy used some rational logic to get 2 first round picks for him and used his scouting team, who clearly are pretty good, to pick two guys that could make a huge impact for us when we actually are ready to contend.

yes, the product on the ice got worse. that is not a debate. but the time it was, we werent a contender with or without schenn, and if we're not a contender, then who cares? Now we get to say we have frost and farabee from that deal, and their potentials are both higher than schenn. still dont get how anyone can not like that deal, even in hindsight.

in their prime, and strcitly PP......maybe id give the nod to them, but i wouldnt say its not close. The main reason is Coots really hasn't had the time the other 3 have, i think in 2 or 3 years he will be viewed as a much stronger PP guy then he is now.
- sjk540

I agree that it's not apples to apples with Couturier not spending an equal amount of time on the first unit but we only have to go on what's happened to this point.

jesus that escalated quick. Im not someone who thinks everything is fine, i just use common sense when we clearly did not have a GM going "all in" to make a serious run at a cup for the last 6 years in order to restock our system and not lose any current young players. it wouldnt be acceptable if year in and year out we went in thinking we were legit contenders and we signed guys and traded for guys and we still didnt win, then thats not OK. but we clearly were in a retool or rebuild or whatever you wanna call it, for 6 years. now that we have been told and shown we are going to try and be contenders, if that then fails, I won't think anything is fine, its a wait and see approach right now.

you are forgetting a handful of things here. for one, when younger players make the roster they keep the collective cap down. farabee and frost havent even played an nhl game yet and your worried 3 years down the road?? players fall off the cap, (niskanen, braun, raffl, laughton), trades happen, hell, even G will be expired by that time comes.

you also forget, the cap will continue to go up. in 4 years we may be looking at a cap of 90mil+!

and no, I dont think they ALL will get serious bank. The jury is still out on Patrick, Lindblom, TK, and even Provorov after his up and down year. I get it if we pay Provy 7 mil a year but i still think he's only worth 6 a year. I do think Farabee and Frost will be good, but when you say bank, do you think both of them will command Hayes like money once their ELC's are done? I mean you have those situations happen sometimes but its not the norm, and thatll be a good problem to have, but by the time that even happens this team will look extremely different.

The reason i say its downright ridiculous to think Hayes will be solely responsible for coots or sanheim NOT being on this team, is because management wont allow it. teams find ways to keep their cornerstone players. Look at Chicago, San Jose, Boston, now Toronto (if they actually lose Marner I will change my mind about them, but I dont think there's anyway), and various other teams always end up navigating the cap.

I get it, you dont like the Hayes signing, but you dont have to be so (frank)in dramatic about it.
- sjk540

You think this post you wrote right here is common sense? Wow....

So by trading for Matt Niskanen, Justin Braun and signing Kevin Hayes to a monster contract, says “All in”. This team is all in. None of these players say “All in” and should say this to anyone in their right mind.

You follow up by saying that, you don’t believe all of our young players will make major bank someday. Kevin Hayes did and guess what, Kevin Hayes isn’t remotely star.

Last, you believe the Hayes deal won’t allow us to lose players looking to get paid down the road because management won’t alloe it. Well, guess what? Provorov wants his money right now and won’t play till he gets it.

So you continue to live in a world where you think everything will be just fine because just told me at the top of this post that you don’t think everything is fine but followed up with saying everything is fine.

You think this post you wrote right here is common sense? Wow....

So by trading for Matt Niskanen, Justin Braun and signing Kevin Hayes to a monster contract, says “All in”. This team is all in. None of these players say “All in” and should say this to anyone in their right mind.

You follow up by saying that, you don’t believe all of our young players will make major bank someday. Kevin Hayes did and guess what, Kevin Hayes isn’t remotely star.

Last, you believe the Hayes deal won’t allow us to lose players looking to get paid down the road because management won’t alloe it. Well, guess what? Provorov wants his money right now and won’t play till he gets it.

So you continue to live in a world where you think everything will be just fine because just told me at the top of this post that you don’t think everything is fine but followed up with saying everything is fine.
- SuperSchennBros

Your over reactions are hilarious and the reason you’re a laughing stock on these boards

jesus that escalated quick. Im not someone who thinks everything is fine, i just use common sense when we clearly did not have a GM going "all in" to make a serious run at a cup for the last 6 years in order to restock our system and not lose any current young players. it wouldnt be acceptable if year in and year out we went in thinking we were legit contenders and we signed guys and traded for guys and we still didnt win, then thats not OK. but we clearly were in a retool or rebuild or whatever you wanna call it, for 6 years. now that we have been told and shown we are going to try and be contenders, if that then fails, I won't think anything is fine, its a wait and see approach right now.

you are forgetting a handful of things here. for one, when younger players make the roster they keep the collective cap down. farabee and frost havent even played an nhl game yet and your worried 3 years down the road?? players fall off the cap, (niskanen, braun, raffl, laughton), trades happen, hell, even G will be expired by that time comes.

you also forget, the cap will continue to go up. in 4 years we may be looking at a cap of 90mil+!

and no, I dont think they ALL will get serious bank. The jury is still out on Patrick, Lindblom, TK, and even Provorov after his up and down year. I get it if we pay Provy 7 mil a year but i still think he's only worth 6 a year. I do think Farabee and Frost will be good, but when you say bank, do you think both of them will command Hayes like money once their ELC's are done? I mean you have those situations happen sometimes but its not the norm, and thatll be a good problem to have, but by the time that even happens this team will look extremely different.

The reason i say its downright ridiculous to think Hayes will be solely responsible for coots or sanheim NOT being on this team, is because management wont allow it. teams find ways to keep their cornerstone players. Look at Chicago, San Jose, Boston, now Toronto (if they actually lose Marner I will change my mind about them, but I dont think there's anyway), and various other teams always end up navigating the cap.

I get it, you dont like the Hayes signing, but you dont have to be so (frank)in dramatic about it.
- sjk540

bruh provorov wants his money now but you know we gave that money to niskanen and traded picks for braun

Your point? We’re paying niskanen like what7-8 mil with the retained salary
-2Real

Really? So Gudas' retained Salary is going to Niskanen? Thats news to me.

What happens next year when Niskanen is still on the team and Gudas' salary is gone?

Your over reactions are hilarious and the reason you’re a laughing stock on these boards
- Richieattack18

Oh wow, a laughing stock on these boards as if any opinions on here really matter. You’re laughing at me. How will my fragile ego ever recover??

News flash bro. I’m assuming most of you live in Philly. So I’m assuming you can’t hear the laughter when every other city and media outlet laughing at you guys for the Hayes signing.

Oh wow, a laughing stock on these boards as if any opinions on here really matter. You’re laughing at me. How will my fragile ego ever recover??

News flash bro. I’m assuming most of you live in Philly. So I’m assuming you can’t hear the laughter when every other city and media sources laughing at you guys for the Hayes signing.
- SuperSchennBros

Come on man.
Wasn't the best signing ever, wasn't the worst.
Makes sense for the hole they felt they had.

Come on man.
Wasn't the best signing ever, wasn't the worst.
Makes sense for the hole they felt they had.
- opeth_pa

Says only people who live in Philly.

Says only people who live in Philly.
- SuperSchennBros

Okay great.
Flyers suck, Fletcher sucks.

Okay great.
Flyers suck, Fletcher sucks.
- opeth_pa

No, I’m overreacting. This post is an example of an overreaction. I never said any of this. I’m saying the Kevin Hayes signing wasn’t a good one and its likely to bite us later.

I’m not sitting in the same room as you guys yelling and screaming. I’m saying it’s not a very good signing.

Here is the skinny on the Hayes signing. If you want the team to win now, good signing. If you're more about the future, then the signing is questionable. Now if it's the former, then it's about what qualifies as winning?

Here is the skinny on the Hayes signing. If you want the team to win now, good signing. If you're more about the future, then the signing is questionable. Now if it's the former, then it's about what qualifies as winning?
- MJL

Okay, you’re gonna be a baby and ignore me which is fine. So silently ask yourself, are we in a position to win now? Because by this statement, you are also saying it’s a bad signing. Unless you truly believe on the back of a second season goalie and a very young defense, we can win now.

Come on man.
Wasn't the best signing ever, wasn't the worst.
Makes sense for the hole they felt they had.
- opeth_pa

Rather have had Marcus Johansson in a short term deal

No, I’m overreacting. This post is an example of an overreaction. I never said any of this. I’m saying the Kevin Hayes signing wasn’t a good one and its likely to bite us later.

I’m not sitting in the same room as you guys yelling and screaming. I’m saying it’s not a very good signing.
- SuperSchennBros

We can agree to disagree.
Im not willing to say it wasnt a good signing..Over the first few years I expected he will contribute to the team.

Rather have had Marcus Johansson in a short term deal
- daryl stanley

This is the mindset I can wrap my head around. By season’s end, we’re committed to Sean Couturier as our number one center. No problem there. After Coots, thing get a little dicey. Nolan Patrick is a big kid, as well as a former second overall pick who was projected to go first. I personally think he needs time but some have written him off after his second season, so the organization feels they need to fill a hole on the second line. Fine. The problem is, committing to a guy like Hayes when you can grab a short term stop gap, while giving Patrick an opportunity to grow into a much better player. I don’t see the Flyers doing this. I don’t think Provorov, Sanheim, Konecny or Hart are the best they can be as of right now either.

We can agree to disagree.
Im not willing to say it wasnt a good signing..Over the first few years I expected he will contribute to the team.
- opeth_pa

I don't believe it is rational to call it a bad signing due to one, it fills a need and two, it makes the team better on paper.

I don't believe it is rational to call it a bad signing due to one, it fills a need and two, it makes the team better on paper.
- MJL

It's also not rational to say it's a bad signing before the guy has played even a single shift with the team he signed with but that's just me.🤷🏻‍♂️

As long as Dundon is owner, the Canes are going to dysfunctional and the GM will be behind the eight-ball. Which is a shame because they've assembled a damn good roster apart from the goalies.
- bmeltzer

A Dallas neighbor...

https://www.bizjournals.c...ut-thomas-dundon-the.html

Dundon is fascinating. He doesn’t seem to be cheap just thinks about things in a different way. He will learn more and may do things differently but end up being good for the game. It’s too soon to say that he won’t get his office in order. Love Brind’Amour’s involvement in bringing team success. Waddell didn’t sound to upset at any point.

https://cardiaccane.com/2...ndon-continues-upset-nhl/