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Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 16 @ 11:38 PM ET
Quiet Friday night.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 17 @ 10:24 AM ET
Quiet Saturday morning.
PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

Aug 17 @ 11:22 AM ET
I shutter to think that when Rutherford is fired or steps away from the Penguins, Pierre will interview for the job. That prospect gives me nightmares.


I don't think any owner in the league is stupid enough to actually hire Pierre for a GM position. The funny thing is that he would probably be a slightly better GM than he was a coach but that is not saying much, considering that he was one of the worst coaches ever.

The one and only job that he was actually pretty good at was a scout. Even now he always has to comment on the peewee/junior team that a 37 year old veteran played for more than two decades ago, as if that has any relevance to the current game. As a GM he might be able to scout out some good prospects but he would be routinely burned in trades since none of the other GM's would respect him.

Still, as long as he is not hired by the Pens I would love to see him get hired as it would get him off the air .
Grizzsh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.24.2019

Aug 17 @ 11:46 AM ET
Who do y’all think will shoulder a bigger load in responsibilities? I hope it’s our analytics dude. Karmanos? I think that’s how it’s spelled.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 17 @ 8:09 PM ET
Who do y’all think will shoulder a bigger load in responsibilities? I hope it’s our analytics dude. Karmanos? I think that’s how it’s spelled.
- Grizzsh


Sam Ventura is the Penguins analytics guy.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 17 @ 10:02 PM ET
Sam Ventura is the Penguins analytics guy.
- j.boyd919

Cool. He’s pretty good.
Grizzsh
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.24.2019

Aug 17 @ 10:26 PM ET
Sam Ventura is the Penguins analytics guy.
- j.boyd919

Yes. I probably got him mixed up with someone else’s. Thanks. If it’s him, I think that would be great for the future.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Aug 18 @ 7:45 AM ET
Yes. I probably got him mixed up with someone else’s. Thanks. If it’s him, I think that would be great for the future.
- Grizzsh

I think I remember reading Karmanos had a background with analytics when he was hired, they've since hired Ventura as a full-time expert. And he probably will be GMJR's right hand man now. So he's probably who you're thinking of and you're not off.

Read somewhere the Pens might elevate their development director (Young?) to larger responsibilities if Guerin leaves.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Aug 18 @ 1:50 PM ET
I've been thinking that former GMs acquiring their former players is definitely "a thing" (we've seen this with JR, Botts, etc.). So if Guerin gets the Minnesota job, maybe he's the one with the grit boner for JJ? Maybe there's another player he likes and wants thrown in? Who's this Zucker guy? He doesn't even know him.
- Hockey66

Been thinking about this lately as it seems like Guerin is getting the job.

The Wild have an open forward spot and Zuccerello is their only real top 9 RW. They have a lot of LWs they are likely to force on their off-side. They also have some cap space. So Rust would make a ton of sense there.

You could argue that bottom LD spot isn't nailed down either, so IF Guerin is a fan of JJ that's a possible landing spot. I think that would have to wait until the rebuild though.

Unfortunately, think they'll hang on to Zucker for now. I think there will be a fire sale soon in Minnesota though thanks to Fenton's mismanagement.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 18 @ 3:57 PM ET
How about a new blog?
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Aug 18 @ 4:34 PM ET
Been thinking about this lately as it seems like Guerin is getting the job.

The Wild have an open forward spot and Zuccerello is their only real top 9 RW. They have a lot of LWs they are likely to force on their off-side. They also have some cap space. So Rust would make a ton of sense there.

You could argue that bottom LD spot isn't nailed down either, so IF Guerin is a fan of JJ that's a possible landing spot. I think that would have to wait until the rebuild though.

Unfortunately, think they'll hang on to Zucker for now. I think there will be a fire sale soon in Minnesota though thanks to Fenton's mismanagement.

- Tojo.

Yeah, the ship on Zucker has probably sailed. However, here's another even more unlikely trade piece: Horny. Maybe Guerin and Horny have a good relationship and Horny would waive his NTC to Minnesota if Guerin is hired (so many "ifs," I know). Maybe Guerin thinks the Wild need an "identity" (they desperately do). They have the roster space and the cap space (one of the few teams that have both).

So here's the trade that will never happen:
Zucker for Horny + Rust + JJ + 1st.
Thrill81
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CA
Joined: 07.31.2018

Aug 18 @ 5:51 PM ET
Yeah, the ship on Zucker has probably sailed. However, here's another even more unlikely trade piece: Horny. Maybe Guerin and Horny have a good relationship and Horny would waive his NTC to Minnesota if Guerin is hired (so many "ifs," I know). Maybe Guerin thinks the Wild need an "identity" (they desperately do). They have the roster space and the cap space (one of the few teams that have both).

So here's the trade that will never happen:
Zucker for Horny + Rust + JJ + 1st.

- Hockey66


I would cry tears of joy if this deal happened. I'm hoping if Guerin goes to Minnesota he can take some of the Pen's baggage but it isn't something I'd bet on.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Aug 18 @ 6:10 PM ET
I would cry tears of joy if this deal happened. I'm hoping if Guerin goes to Minnesota he can take some of the Pen's baggage but it isn't something I'd bet on.
- Thrill81

Yeah, likewise. Probably not enough for Minnesota. Maybe need to add a 2nd or two. I'd still do it.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 18 @ 10:38 PM ET
Been thinking about this lately as it seems like Guerin is getting the job.

The Wild have an open forward spot and Zuccerello is their only real top 9 RW. They have a lot of LWs they are likely to force on their off-side. They also have some cap space. So Rust would make a ton of sense there.

You could argue that bottom LD spot isn't nailed down either, so IF Guerin is a fan of JJ that's a possible landing spot. I think that would have to wait until the rebuild though.

Unfortunately, think they'll hang on to Zucker for now. I think there will be a fire sale soon in Minnesota though thanks to Fenton's mismanagement.

- Tojo.


Pens are gonna hire Cullen as an assistant GM to replace Guerin.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Aug 19 @ 4:21 AM ET
Pens are gonna hire Cullen as an assistant GM to replace Guerin.
- j.boyd919

That seems a little sketchy given that he has zero experience. I would rather take a chance on someone after the window. But then, if there are multiple assistants, maybe it doesn't matter much. But does this mean he will be in charge of WBS?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 19 @ 5:26 AM ET
That seems a little sketchy given that he has zero experience. I would rather take a chance on someone after the window. But then, if there are multiple assistants, maybe it doesn't matter much. But does this mean he will be in charge of WBS?
- Hockey66


It was more of a joke lol but also seems like something GMJR would do.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 19 @ 7:14 AM ET
It was more of a joke lol but also seems like something GMJR would do.
- j.boyd919

While we are at it, heard Ziggy Palffy would like to come back to the Pens as an assistant GM...
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Aug 19 @ 9:27 AM ET
3 days later and only 42 comments including this one. One of the, if not, deadest blogs Ive ever seen.

Did Rino get the boot?
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 19 @ 10:33 AM ET
3 days later and only 42 comments including this one. One of the, if not, deadest blogs Ive ever seen.

Did Rino get the boot?

- MattStrat

Pretty bad huh?

What do you guys think we should do with Jarry? Apparently there are too many good options @ goalie still on the market and trying to trade Tristan has been pretty hard.

I’d say attach him to any trade to clear cap space wether it’s JJ, Guds, Rust or Horny.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Aug 19 @ 10:49 AM ET
It was more of a joke lol but also seems like something GMJR would do.
- j.boyd919


I think Karmanos would get a slightly increased role. Scott Young would get some more responsibility, but Velluci the new WBS coach would likely get some roster control down in the AHL as well. He ran the Checkers as the GM/coach for a number of years.

I see Cullen being more of a Recchi type. A few years in development, then behind the bench.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Aug 19 @ 10:50 AM ET
Pretty bad huh?

What do you guys think we should do with Jarry? Apparently there are too many good options @ goalie still on the market and trying to trade Tristan has been pretty hard.

I’d say attach him to any trade to clear cap space wether it’s JJ, Guds, Rust or Horny.

- Barnaby36


Keep him. If the rumors are true, he will likely clear waivers. I don't think he has any value at this point.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 11:22 AM ET
3 days later and only 42 comments including this one. One of the, if not, deadest blogs Ive ever seen.

Did Rino get the boot?

- MattStrat

Rino is just hiding because he knows he embarrassed himself.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 19 @ 11:22 AM ET
Keep him. If the rumors are true, he will likely clear waivers. I don't think he has any value at this point.
- burgh4life87

Roster spots throughout the league are pretty tough right now. Amazing if you compare a few years ago.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Aug 19 @ 11:36 AM ET
Keep him. If the rumors are true, he will likely clear waivers. I don't think he has any value at this point.
- burgh4life87

Same. If there's a trade to be made, maybe a goalie gets hurt at camp, make it. But he's probably clears waivers. He hasn't shown enough for a team to rely on him.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 11:42 AM ET
Pretty bad huh?

What do you guys think we should do with Jarry? Apparently there are too many good options @ goalie still on the market and trying to trade Tristan has been pretty hard.

I’d say attach him to any trade to clear cap space wether it’s JJ, Guds, Rust or Horny.

- Barnaby36

Goalies get claimed when a team has injury issues during camp/preseason.
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