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EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Aug 16 @ 11:15 AM ET
Him? What about you?
- HawkintheD


Normally I sleep like a log but last night I was having trouble sleeping, plus I've been away for a couple days so I thought I would see what was new in "Hawk world" when I spotted Tyler's newest offering hot off the presses.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Aug 16 @ 11:18 AM ET
If Dach makes the team, I can see a Kotkaniemi approach with him, 13:44 of ice time per game, 34 points, not necessarily sheltering him, but giving him favorable zone starts, matchups, etc.
rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 16 @ 11:21 AM ET
Tastes good doesn’t it?
- Ogilthorpe2

It will taste good if we have more than 95 points.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Aug 16 @ 11:22 AM ET
How often to you plan to attend Winterhawk games? I want to make more of an effort to see the Giants this year.
- DarthKane


Nov 8th, the Winterhawks are in town for a Friday night game. Time to queue the PR campaign for a road trip north of the border?
rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 16 @ 11:26 AM ET
Bowman is going to find a way get most of the prospects pencilled for Rockford the opportunity to play AHL. Someone like Tuuola could be a victim of the numbers game, yet the top prospects need to play and develop for two reasons

* injuries and trades could result in a recall
* plotting strategy for the roster come expansion actually should start this season.Don't muck up their playing time!
* A GM always thinks fast forward. Plays the what if scenario. Has an idea about what might happen, might transpire.

Bowman has set the table for a dynamic set of three pairs and they all might get a cup of coffee or more this season.

Bowman has the correct players if the top rated prospects pan out. Correct as in, one or both each pair can lug the puck and or distribute it relatively well.
No cement hands or slow as grandma skaters. Strong passing skill and good thinking offensive dmen can tilt the ice if they are, indeed, part of a five man cohesive unit attacking and swarming.

There is a need for some muscle and toughness too as playoff hockey shows us each season. But the blueline crew may be comprised more of the skilled good skating/passing. Whether Gus is part and parcel could depend upon the success of Colliton's new system but also may come from Gus himself stepping up.

AEL_FOX hinted late last blog of such happenstance. Actually AEL_FOX suggested we might see an improved Gus, defensively, because he has the capability within him.

A good future blog at maybe the half way point of season might discuss whether Gus has stepped up and whether any of.the prospects at Rockford have also met expectations in their early professional development.
We could be closer to that dynamic offensive defense when Gus and kids turn a corner

- jhawk59[/img][url]

Gus is in his 5th year in the NHL, logic would dictate a couple things. 1. He's reached the point in his career he doesn't like seeing the puck go in his own net when he's on the ice and 2. He can make a lot more money if he's perceived as a somewhat decent defensive defense man. Logic doesn't always work...
BlackhawkMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.30.2011

Aug 16 @ 11:39 AM ET
I am not up with all the collective bargaining stuff but I know there are a bunch of smart people here.

Question I have is, when the Blackhawks make the playoffs can they call up Dach for them and not use up games towards the 9 and the ELC???

Thanks and I will wait for all of your responses...GO HAWKS!!!
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Aug 16 @ 11:57 AM ET

I was under the impression, from what I've read and heard that playing anything more counts toward his contract ? Meaning if he plays 10 or more than sent down 1 year of his contract is burned off?

9 games or less doesn't count toward that ? Can someone explain in more detail, how that works and how it applies when his contract expires?

Just some more clarity
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Aug 16 @ 12:17 PM ET
Tyler....is there something you'd like to tell us?

https://www.yahoo.com/amp...t-made-big-215336260.html

- PatShart




Pete Weber and Mike Johnson too.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 16 @ 12:31 PM ET
I was under the impression, from what I've read and heard that playing anything more counts toward his contract ? Meaning if he plays 10 or more than sent down 1 year of his contract is burned off?

9 games or less doesn't count toward that ? Can someone explain in more detail, how that works and how it applies when his contract expires?

Just some more clarity

- Taylorst1


If a prospect is on the roster (playing or scratched) for 9 or fewer games they can be sent back to their junior team without burning a year in their contract. Essentially the contract "slides" and starts the following season.

Should the prospect be on the roster for 10 or more games the first year of their contract is in effect, regardless if they stay on the roster or sent back to their junior club.

None of this applies if the player is sent to Rockford. Example, if Boqvist is assigned to Rockford the first year of his deal kicks in immediately.
StLBravesFan
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Aug 16 @ 3:11 PM ET
If a prospect is on the roster (playing or scratched) for 9 or fewer games they can be sent back to their junior team without burning a year in their contract. Essentially the contract "slides" and starts the following season.

Should the prospect be on the roster for 10 or more games the first year of their contract is in effect, regardless if they stay on the roster or sent back to their junior club.

None of this applies if the player is sent to Rockford. Example, if Boqvist is assigned to Rockford the first year of his deal kicks in immediately.

- DarthKane

Not to question your expertise - I know that anyone with your rep for always posting straight facts wouldn’t try to spoof us - but I thought that after 9 games, the prospect couldn’t be sent back to juniors.

No?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Aug 16 @ 3:22 PM ET
To my eye, there is only one real wild card that could force the Hawks hand - Adam Boqvist.

I don't believe he's 100% ready and some AHL time will really serve him well. However, I will say, I think he made huge strides last year playing in London and he's closer to that 100% than I would have imagined at this point in his progression.

Even if he doesn't make the team out of camp, there is a good chance that Boqvist sees time at some point throughout the season.

- Tyler Cameron

Spot on analysis, Tyler.

There's a recent article on the-rink.com featuring an interview with Hogs head coach Derek King. One question asked him about whether Boqvist would be playing pro this season. A central theme to King's responses to various questions, including this one about Boqvist, was ensuring prospects develop as professionals, make healthy choices off the ice, stay in shape, and eat right.

Also, King said the following: "The big thing with him is that he has the skills to play the game on the big stage, but you have to get the ‘junior’ out of him. He’ll have to learn...For guys coming in from college or junior or over from Europe, the American Hockey League is a better league than you think."
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Aug 16 @ 3:25 PM ET
https://thehockeynews.com...023-24-chicago-blackhawks

The Hockey News has a series projecting the 2023-24 roster (5 years out) for each team. Today's edition featured the Blackhawks:

DeBrincat - Dach - Kane
Saarela - Strome - Nylander
Soderlund - Toews - Sikura
Hagel - Barratt - Entwistle

Beaudin - Boqvist
Krys - Mitchell
Vlasic - Seabrook

Delia
Gravel
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Aug 16 @ 3:40 PM ET
Gus is in his 5th year in the NHL, logic would dictate a couple things. 1. He's reached the point in his career he doesn't like seeing the puck go in his own net when he's on the ice and 2. He can make a lot more money if he's perceived as a somewhat decent defensive defense man. Logic doesn't always work...
- rpeters01

Gus may never be much better
Or maybe i can explain how there is room for improvement. How much?

You might be surprised how valuable he could become just by the steady strong gameb his partner plays. As well the team defense; how well does this Colliton new system work? I foresee this season as a trial run only because perhaps the ideal pairing for Gus to blossom is not Keith.

Actually if you have a Boqvist in one pair, and Gus in another.....you have two weapons on the blueline. Most of the Gus talk is to trade him; however, i wish to see Gus top value attained before he is dealt. Only due to the triumpherant offensive generator in Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell is Gus available....in my line of reasoning although perhaps you are not yet in agreement.

Gus has special ability to make great passes - the stretch pass at any time and from any location could be such a killer to make other teams wary. That is one example of his talent overlooked when we focus instead on all those game winning shots.

Now IF (emphasis intented) Gus is an improved dman this season......maybe he at some point in time getches a mid #1. Put our #1 with that and try for the drafting of a stud power forward within the oh top five picks. This is the sort of player Bowman needs to add next.

All these prospects up front and on the back end should make for great competition for jobs. Add a top six power forward to that mix courtesy of an improved Gus bringing us another piece for a playoff team
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 16 @ 3:54 PM ET
Not to question your expertise - I know that anyone with your rep for always posting straight facts wouldn’t try to spoof us - but I thought that after 9 games, the prospect couldn’t be sent back to juniors.

No?

- StLBravesFan



Are you trying to infer something about me????

My understanding is the the prospect can still be sent to their junior team after the 10 game mark.

Here is a link and a quote from nhl.com with more information:

A player on an entry-level contract can skate in nine games before teams must decide whether to send him to the American Hockey League or junior hockey and delay the start of their contract to the following season. Teams still can send a player down after his 10th game, but it would use up the first season of his contract regardless of how many more NHL games he played.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...game-deadline/c-292193430
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Aug 16 @ 4:05 PM ET
https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/five-year-forecast-your-2023-24-chicago-blackhawks

The Hockey News has a series projecting the 2023-24 roster (5 years out) for each team. Today's edition featured the Blackhawks:

DeBrincat - Dach - Kane
Saarela - Strome - Nylander
Soderlund - Toews - Sikura
Hagel - Barratt - Entwistle

Beaudin - Boqvist
Krys - Mitchell
Vlasic - Seabrook

Delia
Gravel

- AEL_Fox


Thanks for posting this. Interesting there is no love for Kubalik, Nylander or Kurashev while guys like Barratt and Hagel made it. I know its all conjecture, but still interesting to see how they got to this.

Edit: And I just learned how to read and noticed that Nylander is there.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Aug 16 @ 4:27 PM ET
Are you trying to infer something about me????

My understanding is the the prospect can still be sent to their junior team after the 10 game mark.

Here is a link and a quote from nhl.com with more information:

A player on an entry-level contract can skate in nine games before teams must decide whether to send him to the American Hockey League or junior hockey and delay the start of their contract to the following season. Teams still can send a player down after his 10th game, but it would use up the first season of his contract regardless of how many more NHL games he played.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...game-deadline/c-292193430

- DarthKane


Ok. Thanks.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Aug 16 @ 4:28 PM ET
Are you trying to infer something about me????

My understanding is the the prospect can still be sent to their junior team after the 10 game mark.

Here is a link and a quote from nhl.com with more information:

A player on an entry-level contract can skate in nine games before teams must decide whether to send him to the American Hockey League or junior hockey and delay the start of their contract to the following season. Teams still can send a player down after his 10th game, but it would use up the first season of his contract regardless of how many more NHL games he played.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...game-deadline/c-292193430

- DarthKane


Ok. Thanks.

And I assume you know - I imply what you infer.
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Aug 16 @ 5:03 PM ET
https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/five-year-forecast-your-2023-24-chicago-blackhawks

The Hockey News has a series projecting the 2023-24 roster (5 years out) for each team. Today's edition featured the Blackhawks:

DeBrincat - Dach - Kane
Saarela - Strome - Nylander
Soderlund - Toews - Sikura
Hagel - Barratt - Entwistle

Beaudin - Boqvist
Krys - Mitchell
Vlasic - Seabrook

Delia
Gravel

- AEL_Fox


When will Seabrooks reign of terror come to an end? Will he haunt us forever?
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Aug 16 @ 5:23 PM ET
If a prospect is on the roster (playing or scratched) for 9 or fewer games they can be sent back to their junior team without burning a year in their contract. Essentially the contract "slides" and starts the following season.

Should the prospect be on the roster for 10 or more games the first year of their contract is in effect, regardless if they stay on the roster or sent back to their junior club.

None of this applies if the player is sent to Rockford. Example, if Boqvist is assigned to Rockford the first year of his deal kicks in immediately.

- DarthKane



Wow I appreciate how you took the time and broke everything down.



If I may ask , let's say boqvist doesn't make the team in the next 3 year's and once his contract expires, I understand he is a RFA but his signing would be of lesser than had he played at least 1 season ?
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Aug 16 @ 5:23 PM ET
If a prospect is on the roster (playing or scratched) for 9 or fewer games they can be sent back to their junior team without burning a year in their contract. Essentially the contract "slides" and starts the following season.

Should the prospect be on the roster for 10 or more games the first year of their contract is in effect, regardless if they stay on the roster or sent back to their junior club.

None of this applies if the player is sent to Rockford. Example, if Boqvist is assigned to Rockford the first year of his deal kicks in immediately.

- DarthKane



Wow I appreciate how you took the time and broke everything down.



If I may ask , let's say boqvist doesn't make the team in the next 3 year's and once his contract expires, I understand he is a RFA but his signing would be of lesser than had he played at least 1 season ?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Aug 16 @ 5:25 PM ET
Thanks for posting this. Interesting there is no love for Kubalik, Nylander or Kurashev while guys like Barratt and Hagel made it. I know its all conjecture, but still interesting to see how they got to this.

Edit: And I just learned how to read and noticed that Nylander is there.

- Chunk

I personally would like to see Kurashev in the middle 6 over Saarela.

A 4th line of Hagel, Barratt, and Entwistle would be killer. Relentless, agitating, defensively responsible, and some offense to boot. If they're banging on all cylinders, especially offensively, that may not be a bad 3rd line either.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 16 @ 6:01 PM ET
Wow I appreciate how you took the time and broke everything down.



If I may ask , let's say boqvist doesn't make the team in the next 3 year's and once his contract expires, I understand he is a RFA but his signing would be of lesser than had he played at least 1 season ?

- Taylorst1



Most likely, but just from a negotiation perspective and nothing CBA based (as far as I know). Teams would generally pay more for a guy who's played one year (assuming he played well) in the NHL versus a guy with no experience.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 16 @ 6:33 PM ET
https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/five-year-forecast-your-2023-24-chicago-blackhawks

The Hockey News has a series projecting the 2023-24 roster (5 years out) for each team. Today's edition featured the Blackhawks:

DeBrincat - Dach - Kane
Saarela - Strome - Nylander
Soderlund - Toews - Sikura
Hagel - Barratt - Entwistle

Beaudin - Boqvist
Krys - Mitchell
Vlasic - Seabrook

Delia
Gravel

- AEL_Fox

Probably not worth the paper it is written on.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Aug 16 @ 7:02 PM ET
https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/five-year-forecast-your-2023-24-chicago-blackhawks

The Hockey News has a series projecting the 2023-24 roster (5 years out) for each team. Today's edition featured the Blackhawks:

DeBrincat - Dach - Kane
Saarela - Strome - Nylander
Soderlund - Toews - Sikura
Hagel - Barratt - Entwistle

Beaudin - Boqvist
Krys - Mitchell
Vlasic - Seabrook

Delia
Gravel

- AEL_Fox


So who did we get back for Keith and Saad?
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Aug 16 @ 7:49 PM ET
Tyler, what are you doing up so early?
- EbonyRaptor


I had a 7:12am tee time, EB.
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