That's not true, he definitely has the skill. The numbers just haven't been there yet and that's not entirely his fault. He's played with a lot of poopty players in bottom six roles plus an injury last season that the Oilers mismanaged.

A change of scenery can do wonders for a player, especially if they're playing with the right linemates. Just ask Dylan Strome.
- JohnFergusonJr

Strome is the exception not the rule. Most players don't actually turn into near ppg players when they get the fabled "change of scenery".

All you have is excuses and conjecture that he's going to benefit from a new team and suddenly become good.

Strome is the exception not the rule. Most players don't actually turn into near ppg players when they get the fabled "change of scenery".

All you have is excuses and conjecture that he's going to benefit from a new team and suddenly become good.
- Thecakeisalie

Bad teams with bad environments get bad results from their players. That's not an exception, that's just how it works.

Could say Bracco's potential is based on excuses and conjecture. He could just as easily turn into another undersized player who scores in the AHL but can't stick to the NHL because he can't play in his own zone and he gets muscled off the puck.

The Leafs really have nothing to lose by trading a B-level prospect for another young player with potential and a different (and much needed) set of attributes.

Bad teams with bad environments get bad results from their players. That's not an exception, that's just how it works.

Could say Bracco's potential is based on excuses and conjecture. He could just as easily turn into another undersized player who scores in the AHL but can't stick to the NHL because he can't play in his own zone and he gets muscled off the puck.

The Leafs really have nothing to lose by trading a B-level prospect for another young player with potential and a different (and much needed) set of attributes.
- JohnFergusonJr

37 pts 53 games .7 ppg
111 pts 125 games .89 ppg.

AHL stats show a large difference.

You are arguing against Bracco because the Leafs have chosen to develop him while the Oilers have let Puljijarvi flounder in the NHL with no coaches being able to do anything with him.


No teams are interested in offering much for him or he would be gone in a heartbeat.

You have yet to present even ONE shred of evidence that suggests Puljijarvi > Bracco. Your arguments are based solely on the player's size (which he apparently won't use in the dirty areas) and the fact that his team has played him in the NHL when he clearly was not ready.

Think whatever you want. I am done with this one.

Woll should be #1 prospect on the list, since he's a future franchise goalie.

In addition - you guys need a vacation. Most of you seem very stressed and constantly argueing with each other.

Marner will sign before start training camp.
Nylander will have an ok season so Leafs can trade him for a good d-man.
Leafs will get past the 1st round in playoffs.
The PP will be top3 in league.
Babcock will give Matthews 2 mins extra ice-time per night (Roger will still not be happy)
At least 2 players on the Leafs will get 100 points during the regular season.
Buffalo will miss the playoffs again, and Ottawa will be dead last in NHL.

Go Leafs Go!

Woll should be #1 prospect on the list, since he's a future franchise goalie.

In addition - you guys need a vacation. Most of you seem very stressed and constantly argueing with each other.

Marner will sign before start training camp.
Nylander will have an ok season so Leafs can trade him for a good d-man.
Leafs will get past the 1st round in playoffs.
The PP will be top3 in league.
Babcock will give Matthews 2 mins extra ice-time per night (Roger will still not be happy)
At least 2 players on the Leafs will get 100 points during the regular season.
Buffalo will miss the playoffs again, and Ottawa will be dead last in NHL.

Go Leafs Go!
- MaximusAurelius

Ian Scott says hi...

Hope we don't have another Rask/Pogge situation that gets (frank)ed up.

Woll should be #1 prospect on the list, since he's a future franchise goalie.

In addition - you guys need a vacation. Most of you seem very stressed and constantly argueing with each other.

Marner will sign before start training camp.
Nylander will have an ok season so Leafs can trade him for a good d-man.
Leafs will get past the 1st round in playoffs.
The PP will be top3 in league.
Babcock will give Matthews 2 mins extra ice-time per night (Roger will still not be happy)
At least 2 players on the Leafs will get 100 points during the regular season.
Buffalo will miss the playoffs again, and Ottawa will be dead last in NHL.

Go Leafs Go!
- MaximusAurelius

I doubt AM gets more ice then JT, who scored more last year and nobody whines about his ice time.

Scored more goals/60 and points/60 last year but let’s whine about AM’s ice time. 🤷🏻‍♂️

That's not true, he definitely has the skill. The numbers just haven't been there yet and that's not entirely his fault. He's played with a lot of poopty players in bottom six roles plus an injury last season that the Oilers mismanaged.

A change of scenery can do wonders for a player, especially if they're playing with the right linemates. Just ask Dylan Strome.
- JohnFergusonJr

Quit your bs

In the last three years is most common linemates are Lucic, Mcdavid and RNH.

Sorry but you are flat out wrong here. He has had the chance to play with the best player in the league and another #1 Center. He’s sucked.

I doubt AM gets more ice then JT, who scored more last year and nobody whines about his ice time.

Scored more goals/60 and points/60 last year but let’s whine about AM’s ice time. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Garnie

Morning.

I doubt AM gets more ice then JT, who scored more last year and nobody whines about his ice time.

Scored more goals/60 and points/60 last year but let’s whine about AM’s ice time. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Garnie

yeah but JT is massively declining into Weber Wheelchair territory and Auston Matthews is the best player in the league

37 pts 53 games .7 ppg
111 pts 125 games .89 ppg.

AHL stats show a large difference.

You are arguing against Bracco because the Leafs have chosen to develop him while the Oilers have let Puljijarvi flounder in the NHL with no coaches being able to do anything with him.


No teams are interested in offering much for him or he would be gone in a heartbeat.

You have yet to present even ONE shred of evidence that suggests Puljijarvi > Bracco. Your arguments are based solely on the player's size (which he apparently won't use in the dirty areas) and the fact that his team has played him in the NHL when he clearly was not ready.

Think whatever you want. I am done with this one.
- Aetherial

while this doesnt show that, it doesnt present a good case for Bracco

https://www.pensionplanpu...social&utm_source=twitter


and I would trade Bracco for puljarvis

37 pts 53 games .7 ppg
111 pts 125 games .89 ppg.

AHL stats show a large difference.

You are arguing against Bracco because the Leafs have chosen to develop him while the Oilers have let Puljijarvi flounder in the NHL with no coaches being able to do anything with him.


No teams are interested in offering much for him or he would be gone in a heartbeat.

You have yet to present even ONE shred of evidence that suggests Puljijarvi > Bracco. Your arguments are based solely on the player's size (which he apparently won't use in the dirty areas) and the fact that his team has played him in the NHL when he clearly was not ready.

Think whatever you want. I am done with this one.
- Aetherial

Bracco led the league with 31 PPA in 75 games. He is a one-dimensional player who was only relied on for his offense. Most of his zone starts were in the offensive zone and when the play came down to the defensive end, he would change. He hasn't developed his defensive game like kapanen, Johnsson and Moore did before him.

Babcock hates guys he can't trust in their own end. The second he shows how inept he is in that regard, he will spend the remainder of his time in the press box or back with the Marlies.

I'd say it's worth the gamble if Edmonton is dumb enough to trade puljujarvi for Bracco. But who knows, maybe Bracco works on his defensive game this year and gets the chance to develop himself into a potential NHL player.

while this doesnt show that, it doesnt present a good case for Bracco

https://www.pensionplanpu...social&utm_source=twitter


and I would trade Bracco for puljarvis
- senstroll

Good read for those who are putting value into Bracco.

Morning.
- bixll

Mornin, whats up this weekend?

yeah but JT is massively declining into Weber Wheelchair territory and Auston Matthews is the best player in the league
- TheMussel

Not quite yet, he just dragged Marner around for a season and put up some good #’s

while this doesnt show that, it doesnt present a good case for Bracco

https://www.pensionplanpu...social&utm_source=twitter


and I would trade Bracco for puljarvis
- senstroll

Well, that’s just a sad read

Well, that’s just a sad read
- Garnie

Better that than valuing him too highly. Hopefully he gets a chance to develop his defensive game this year. I get that the Marlies want to win, but their main goal should be developing players. Not allowing him to play defense doesn't help him at all.

Ian Scott says hi...

Hope we don't have another Rask/Pogge situation that gets (frank)ed up.
- Aetherial

Scott is interesting. He was always relatively highly regarded, but he never really performed until this year - and it was a hell of a year. Pogge had a similar CHL year, too. Scott still hasn't performed well at the highest levels (tournaments / Memorial Cup).

Woll is a year ahead of him, and has always put up consistently decent numbers, but I've never gotten that feeling that he excels.

With both of them in the AHL, I think you get that opportunity to see what you have. With Rask/Pogge that deal was made before either of one of them suited up for the Marlies. Obviously it was a poor decision on every level, but not having any comparative evaluation was terrible.

Goalies are weird, but I don't get that elite starter vibe from either one of them.

Well, that’s just a sad read
- Garnie

Cheer up, the Leafs will win the Cup this season

Scott is interesting. He was always relatively highly regarded, but he never really performed until this year - and it was a hell of a year. Pogge had a similar CHL year, too. Scott still hasn't performed well at the highest levels (tournaments / Memorial Cup).

Woll is a year ahead of him, and has always put up consistently decent numbers, but I've never gotten that feeling that he excels.

With both of them in the AHL, I think you get that opportunity to see what you have. With Rask/Pogge that deal was made before either of one of them suited up for the Marlies. Obviously it was a poor decision on every level, but not having any comparative evaluation was terrible.

Goalies are weird, but I don't get that elite starter vibe from either one of them.
- Monkeypunk

One of them will most likely be the starter for the Growlers. It'll be interesting to watch the next few years to see who develops better and turns into a possible #1. I do feel like Woll has the edge, but Scott has practiced with the Marlies and played last year at the end. Could mean he stays at the backup and Woll is given the starting job in the ECHL.

while this doesnt show that, it doesnt present a good case for Bracco

https://www.pensionplanpu...social&utm_source=twitter


and I would trade Bracco for puljarvis
- senstroll

The real question there is what does Ken Holland think Puljujarvi is worth?

I actually think he deserves a chance - but not on Toronto. I don't think he'd get the chance he deserves here. He'd be slotted into line 3/4 duty. I think for anyone acquiring him to give him a chance to succeed, they need to put him in the top 6.

I'd also note that while it may have been a media manipulation story, there were reports that the players on Edmonton didn't want to play with him either.

Better that than valuing him too highly. Hopefully he gets a chance to develop his defensive game this year. I get that the Marlies want to win, but their main goal should be developing players. Not allowing him to play defense doesn't help him at all.
- matt1337

Keefe wants to win.

The end.

Cheer up, the Leafs will win the Cup this season
- senstroll

I highly doubt it

The real question there is what does Ken Holland think Puljujarvi is worth?

I actually think he deserves a chance - but not on Toronto. I don't think he'd get the chance he deserves here. He'd be slotted into line 3/4 duty. I think for anyone acquiring him to give him a chance to succeed, they need to put him in the top 6.

I'd also note that while it may have been a media manipulation story, there were reports that the players on Edmonton didn't want to play with him either.
- Monkeypunk

Holland will want something good.

Other teams will offer him poop.

Eventually there will be a deal of similar players 1 for 1 and everybody will whine.

Keefe wants to win.

The end.
- Garnie

Of course he does.

But a lot of his job is developing the Marlies too.

It goes hand in hand. His boss Dubas has dumped money into developing the Marlies and he’s not going to hire a coach to throw it all away.

The real question there is what does Ken Holland think Puljujarvi is worth?

I actually think he deserves a chance - but not on Toronto. I don't think he'd get the chance he deserves here. He'd be slotted into line 3/4 duty. I think for anyone acquiring him to give him a chance to succeed, they need to put him in the top 6.

I'd also note that while it may have been a media manipulation story, there were reports that the players on Edmonton didn't want to play with him either.
- Monkeypunk

i found it interesting when columbus' finish gm passed on drafting him.

all the physical tools, but maybe not right mentally for the nhl.