0 Richard trophies
0 Hart trophies
0 Ross trophies
0 Pearson trophies
0 Conn Smythe trophies
0 playoff wins.

Best player in the game. lol
- RippedFuel

Valid point
But he does have a calder.

There is some subjectivity to scouting. Scouts that have a good record with players would be seen as having valuable opinions. If it's all stats scouts wouldn't be necessary.
- aminnes

Scouts do not play into negotiations.

Don’t be silly.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never once said he was the best player in the game.

And trophies? Really?

Use facts please. He’s at the top on G/60 and ESG/60 from the last three years at age 19/20/21. He’s only going up at 22...and he’s already at the top.

The facts don’t lie here.

You can use 2010 Ovi all you want. Matthews was probably having learning his timestables still at that time.

Use actual facts please.
- Santo_44

What part of my post WASNT a fact...he hasn't won or been voted to any of the trophies I listed OR won a playoff series...

those sound like fact to me

If AM34 wasn't so damn injury prone maybe.

"The best ability is "availability"

The one poster here says the past doesn't matter, only recent seasons. Following that theory. AM34 recently misses 20 games a year...that 25% of the season...Id rather have a more dependable player.
- RippedFuel

You're right, Mario Lemieux is a perfect example.. If only Lemieux was as available as Eichel is

What part of my post WASNT a fact...he hasn't won or been voted to any of the trpophies I listed OR won a playoff series...

those sound like fact to me
- RippedFuel

He’s been in the league for 3 years.

And he’s been more productive in the goal scoring category than Ovi.

As a teenager.

That rocket Richard trophy winner? Yeah Matthews has been more productive than him since entering the league. Don’t believe me? Go check.

Ovi’s season in 2012 is completely irrelevant to what he is today as a goal scorer.

We are evaluating the best goal scorer in the game for this season. He has bested him in productivity the last 3 years I’ll put money on it he will do it again.

And I will bet you that if you would like.

Im also glad he was committed to his team. Some teams have to deal with guys sitting out, holding out until they get over paid. Jack had no problem signing a long term, team friendly deal.

Id hate to have had to deal with a hold out.
- RippedFuel

true. dubas really (frank)ed up this one.

why can't he just overpay poopty players too too early, than wait for them to take their trade demands public?

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Rasmus Ristolainen said he hasn't been able to "enjoy hockey" and implied in an interview with MTV Sport in Finland that he has had talks with the Sabres about a trade

true. dubas really (frank)ed up this one.

why can't he just overpay poopty players too too early, than wait for them to take their trade demands public?

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Rasmus Ristolainen said he hasn't been able to "enjoy hockey" and implied in an interview with MTV Sport in Finland that he has had talks with the Sabres about a trade
- Tumbleweed

To be fair who would have fun on the Sabres.

O’rielly Hated it there too.

Echiel is pissed every year about how bad they are.

Valid point
But he does have a calder.
- Fakepartofme

well in riptard's defense, it is a lot easier to prove a point when you ignore facts that are inconsistent with your argument.

Interesting stat here. Last season Matthews scored 25 even strength goals. Marner scored 22 even strength goals. Matthews gets 58% OZ starts to Marner's 53%. Matthews 22 PP points, Marner 23 PP points. I'm not sure Mitch is only a PP guy any more than Matthews is.

He is 2 million off for me.

Marner will never reach Matthews scoring touch.

No one is even close right now. Not mcdavid, not Ovi. Marner can put up points.

He needs to start producing a (frank) ton more even strength and goal scoring to be close to Matthews.
- Santo_44

To be fair who would have fun on the Sabres.

O’rielly Hated it there too.

Echiel is pissed every year about how bad they are.
- Santo_44

Tim Murray and Dan Bylsma have some work to do in turning around the team culture for sure.

true. dubas really (frank)ed up this one.

why can't he just overpay poopty players too too early, than wait for them to take their trade demands public?

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- Tumbleweed

Guys like Ristolainen, Berglund and O'Reilly, they only lost their passion for hockey because that was management's plan to save Cap space.

The idea is to 'force' players to forgot how to hockey and to hate themselves for being in Buffalo so that management can get rid of them for next to nothing.

well in riptard's defense, it is a lot easier to prove a point when you ignore facts that are inconsistent with your argument.
- Tumbleweed

it's the American way

- JohnFergusonJr

Classic JFJ response.

I use facts.

You use emojis. You are a genius.

I don’t expect someone like you to understand simple math. So run along please.

Tim Murray and Dan Bylsma have some work to do in turning around the team culture for sure.
- TheMussel

I don't care if it's Murray or Botterill or Lindy Ruff, the plan remains the same..

Encourage players to hate themselves and the city of Buffalo.. It saves so much cap space

Classic JFJ response.

I use facts.

You use emojis. You are a genius.
- Santo_44

ArseRipped is not using facts, only his opinion and calling them facts. Poor little confused feller.... He doesn't know the difference.

What part of my post WASNT a fact...he hasn't won or been voted to any of the trpophies I listed OR won a playoff series...

those sound like fact to me
- RippedFuel

now do eichel

They are extremely far off.

All he has is p/60.

That’s is. He scores on the PP, bravo.

There is plenty plenty more to this. And Matthews kills his stats in the other areas.
- Santo_44

No they arent.
Mm - leading scorer on the team 2 years in a row.
Leads the entire league in 5 on 5 primary assists
Marner plays a 200ft gam like a center
Kills penalties
Am - 0.95 ppg
Mm - 0.92 ppg
Am - avg goals per season - 39
Mm - avg goals per season - 24
Am - avg assist per season- 32
Mm - avg assist per season- 53
Am - total pts - 211
Mm - total pts - 229
Am - Toi/g - 18
Mm - Toi/g - 17

Yup extremely far off

well in riptard's defense, it is a lot easier to prove a point when you ignore facts that are inconsistent with your argument.
- Tumbleweed

OvI WoN a TrOpHy 8 YeArS aGo

Classic JFJ response.

I use facts.

You use emojis. You are a genius.

I don’t expect someone like you to understand simple math. So run along please.
- Santo_44

Interesting stat here. Last season Matthews scored 25 even strength goals. Marner scored 22 even strength goals. Matthews gets 58% OZ starts to Marner's 53%. Matthews 22 PP points, Marner 23 PP points. I'm not sure Mitch is only a PP guy any more than Matthews is.
- aminnes

No not facts.
No good.

No they arent.
Mm - leading scorer on the team 2 years in a row.
Leads the entire league in 5 on 5 primary assists
Marner plays a 200ft gam like a center
Kills penalties
Am - 0.95 ppg
Mm - 0.92 ppg
Am - avg goals per season - 39
Mm - avg goals per season - 24
Am - avg assist per season- 32
Mm - avg assist per season- 53
Am - total pts - 211
Mm - total pts - 229
Am - Toi/g - 18
Mm - Toi/g - 17

Yup extremely far off
- Fakepartofme

One is a center / one is a winger... Matthews did not have his scoring winger show up at all last year..

WTF, do people understand the game at all.

Guys like Ristolainen, Berglund and O'Reilly, they only lost their passion for hockey because that was management's plan to save Cap space.

The idea is to 'force' players to forgot how to hockey and to hate themselves for being in Buffalo so that management can get rid of them for next to nothing.
- PatC80

i see. so melnyk is following the sabres model then.

i can't wait to see if GM b.tkcakuk can out gm GM jack echl.

No they arent.
Mm - leading scorer on the team 2 years in a row.
Leads the entire league in 5 on 5 primary assists
Marner plays a 200ft gam like a center
Kills penalties
Am - 0.95 ppg
Mm - 0.92 ppg
Am - avg goals per season - 39
Mm - avg goals per season - 24
Am - avg assist per season- 32
Mm - avg assist per season- 53
Am - total pts - 211
Mm - total pts - 229
Am - Toi/g - 18
Mm - Toi/g - 17

Yup extremely far off
- Fakepartofme

Hahahahaha

You are simplifying every stat

We aren’t going to agree here. I go by productivity...and if you want to dive into the stats I feel paint the true picture then I will.

But obviously by what you just posted you don’t so it’s best we leave it alone.